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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#761 » by Thaddy » Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:44 am

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Thaddy wrote:Newell and Essengue remind me a bit of Evan Mobley. They should be ranked higher. A 6-11+ forward that's mobile and hits the boards will be good in the NBA. If either of them shows the ability to hit the 3 then they should be high up on our draft board. We need players who can make an impact without handling the ball. Defense is one of the key attributes we should be looking for. I'm talking rim protection, defensive rebounding, switch ability, covering pick and rolls, and if they can hit the three even better.

Maybe more like a Noah Clowney?

Wow Clowney is shooting 38% from 3 with almost 80% FT. :o


Essengue is slow on offense with limited talent and potentially negative on defense.

Newell will likely be a solid role player, maybe Claxton with worse shot blocking, but better at finishing near the basket is a better comparison.

Newell projects as a good three point shooter, at least better than Claxton. Where in the hell did you get that comparison from? :lol:
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#762 » by RoteSchroder » Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:49 am

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Psubs wrote:Maybe more like a Noah Clowney?

Wow Clowney is shooting 38% from 3 with almost 80% FT. :o


Essengue is slow on offense with limited talent and potentially negative on defense.

Newell will likely be a solid role player, maybe Claxton with worse shot blocking, but better at finishing near the basket is a better comparison.

Newell projects as a good three point shooter, at least better than Claxton. Where in the hell did you get that comparison from? :lol:


Hard to say how shooting progresses with a lot of prospects. Claxton in his sophomore year has the same volume and percentage on 3’s as Newell.

Claxton shot over 36% on very low volume in his freshman year. I guess it never developed for him, but you could have said that he had shooting potential too.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#763 » by Thaddy » Fri Jan 10, 2025 12:57 am

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Essengue is slow on offense with limited talent and potentially negative on defense.

Newell will likely be a solid role player, maybe Claxton with worse shot blocking, but better at finishing near the basket is a better comparison.

Newell projects as a good three point shooter, at least better than Claxton. Where in the hell did you get that comparison from? :lol:


Hard to say how shooting progresses with a lot of prospects. Claxton in his sophomore year has the same volume and percentage on 3’s as Newell.

Claxton shot over 36% on very low volume in his freshman year. I guess it never developed for him, but you could have said that he had shooting potential too.

The same thing goes for Mobley yet he was able to develop that skill. Newell is the same level shot blocker but he's playing with another C next to him.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#764 » by RoteSchroder » Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:17 am

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Thaddy wrote:Newell projects as a good three point shooter, at least better than Claxton. Where in the hell did you get that comparison from? :lol:


Hard to say how shooting progresses with a lot of prospects. Claxton in his sophomore year has the same volume and percentage on 3’s as Newell.

Claxton shot over 36% on very low volume in his freshman year. I guess it never developed for him, but you could have said that he had shooting potential too.

The same thing goes for Mobley yet he was able to develop that skill. Newell is the same level shot blocker but he's playing with another C next to him.


Would have to wait until draft combine measurements, but I feel like Newell is less lengthy with a lower standing reach. He’s at 1.7 blocks per 40 whereas Mobley was 3.4 blocks per 40. Mobley was also a better passer and I don’t think Newell takes as many mid-range shots compared to Mobley in college, although I haven’t seen excessive game tape from either.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#765 » by Thaddy » Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:23 am

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Hard to say how shooting progresses with a lot of prospects. Claxton in his sophomore year has the same volume and percentage on 3’s as Newell.

Claxton shot over 36% on very low volume in his freshman year. I guess it never developed for him, but you could have said that he had shooting potential too.

The same thing goes for Mobley yet he was able to develop that skill. Newell is the same level shot blocker but he's playing with another C next to him.


Would have to wait until draft combine measurements, but I feel like Newell is less lengthy with a lower standing reach. He’s at 1.7 blocks per 40 whereas Mobley was 3.4 blocks per 40. Mobley was also a better passer and I don’t think Newell takes as many mid-range shots compared to Mobley in college, although I haven’t seen excessive game tape from either.

Mobley was playing C full time whereas Newell is the PF and playing next to a big man.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#766 » by TNRaps4life » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:31 am

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Post#767 » by bballsparkin » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:39 am

I get that Bailey has red flags. But he's also had some monster games. How many college players have games like him in the first place? What I'm wondering, is why did Ace and Harper chose to play for Rutgers in the first place?
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Post#768 » by mtcan » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:46 am

I'd like to hope that Ace ends up as more of a Carmelo Anthony kind of tough shot maker rather than...say Jalen Green. Ace's calling card is his ability to make shots especially tough shots. But ya...I'm getting a vibe that he's going to be more like Jalen Green in terms of efficiency and shot selection...but they share the same characteristics: uber athletic and known for scoring but little else.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#769 » by TorontoBarneys » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:46 am

TNRaps4life wrote:https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2025-nba-mock-draft-v3

https://www.youtube.com/live/xE9AhEqbuVo?si=7mc8sx4tvVUUvvSE

They prefer Ace Bailey with Raptors.


I liked Ace the most out of the prospects before the season began but he has way too many holes in his game. It's a shame because he's the ideal fit.
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Post#770 » by RoteSchroder » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:52 am

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TNRaps4life wrote:https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2025-nba-mock-draft-v3

https://www.youtube.com/live/xE9AhEqbuVo?si=7mc8sx4tvVUUvvSE

They prefer Ace Bailey with Raptors.


I liked Ace the most out of the prospects before the season began but he has way too many holes in his game. It's a shame because he's the ideal fit.


Problem is that shooting/scoring is his main strength and he’s horrid at it. 51.6 TS% so far on the season. To add to that, his profile fits that of a chucker. If he can’t get it together and at least smooth out the only strength he has, it’s just not worth the risk.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#771 » by TorontoBarneys » Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:01 am

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TNRaps4life wrote:https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2025-nba-mock-draft-v3

https://www.youtube.com/live/xE9AhEqbuVo?si=7mc8sx4tvVUUvvSE

They prefer Ace Bailey with Raptors.


I liked Ace the most out of the prospects before the season began but he has way too many holes in his game. It's a shame because he's the ideal fit.


Problem is that shooting/scoring is his main strength and he’s horrid at it. 51.6 TS% so far on the season. To add to that, his profile fits that of a chucker. If he can’t get it together and at least smooth out the only strength he has, it’s just not worth the risk.


Yeah. If Masai gets a 2nd 1st in this draft that's in the 9-13 range, I'd take a flyer on him if he's available, but for our own pick which likely lands in the top 6, there are better guys.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#772 » by TNRaps4life » Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:30 am

Scouts and front office that know ball.

Would Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey’s draft stock be impacted if Rutgers misses NCAA Tournament? What NBA scouts, experts think



https://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/2025/01/would-dylan-harper-ace-baileys-draft-stock-be-impacted-if-rutgers-misses-ncaa-tournament-what-nba-scouts-experts-think.html
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Post#773 » by Psubs » Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:55 am

mtcan wrote:I'd like to hope that Ace ends up as more of a Carmelo Anthony kind of tough shot maker rather than...say Jalen Green. Ace's calling card is his ability to make shots especially tough shots. But ya...I'm getting a vibe that he's going to be more like Jalen Green in terms of efficiency and shot selection...but they share the same characteristics: uber athletic and known for scoring but little else.


Rashard Lewis :nod:
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#774 » by Psubs » Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:56 am

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Thaddy wrote:Newell projects as a good three point shooter, at least better than Claxton. Where in the hell did you get that comparison from? :lol:


Hard to say how shooting progresses with a lot of prospects. Claxton in his sophomore year has the same volume and percentage on 3’s as Newell.

Claxton shot over 36% on very low volume in his freshman year. I guess it never developed for him, but you could have said that he had shooting potential too.

The same thing goes for Mobley yet he was able to develop that skill. Newell is the same level shot blocker but he's playing with another C next to him.


When I saw Mobley, I saw a young Embiid with slightly worse handles and footwork.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#775 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri Jan 10, 2025 3:59 am

Back to back duds by Harper.

Hope that pushes him down a spot or two, so we can snatch him! ;)
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Post#776 » by mtcan » Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:06 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:Back to back duds by Harper.

Hope that pushes him down a spot or two, so we can snatch him! ;)

I'm still a bit snake-bitten by the Ron Harper Jr. experience...and ya I know they are different players but...still....
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Post#777 » by HumbleRen » Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:10 am

Harper is coming off a bad illness, he’ll be fine.
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Post#778 » by Thaddy » Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:16 am

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Hard to say how shooting progresses with a lot of prospects. Claxton in his sophomore year has the same volume and percentage on 3’s as Newell.

Claxton shot over 36% on very low volume in his freshman year. I guess it never developed for him, but you could have said that he had shooting potential too.

The same thing goes for Mobley yet he was able to develop that skill. Newell is the same level shot blocker but he's playing with another C next to him.


When I saw Mobley, I saw a young Embiid with slightly worse handles and footwork.

Finding switchable and rim protection talent should be the most important thing. It's hard to gauge when the players away from the basket like Newell is sometimes on offense. It's something I would prioritize and it's a reason I like CMB.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#779 » by Thaddy » Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:17 am

TNRaps4life wrote:https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/2025-nba-mock-draft-v3

https://www.youtube.com/live/xE9AhEqbuVo?si=7mc8sx4tvVUUvvSE

They prefer Ace Bailey with Raptors.

I would be pretty down about drafting Bailey. The stats mean something. What's the difference between him and GG Jackson in college? He's scoring slightly more efficiently but a slightly better GG Jackson isn't helping you win in the NBA.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#780 » by LoveMyRaps » Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:19 am

I didn't know Kasparas went head to head vs. Traore over the summer.
Unfortunately, I can't find any footage of their matchup.
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