PG: Embarrassing loss to ORL

[Jalen Bluntson]

Thats what happened in the Raptors game, scored 12 straight but it was only 2 minutes left so no chance of them winning. Of course all the fans are crying at this point. When you extrapolate; if Thibs emptied the bench at 5 minutes we would have lost, at 6 minutes we would have been blown out

When you look at it without bias though, you can call it for what it was. Dumb. He emptied the bench of players he never plays and expects some sort of results? How about giving Payne/Shamet/Precious a few more minutes to run together? No. He goes with Kolek/Toppin/Ryan/Sims. Guys who haven't played in weeks. Guys who he refuses to play every single game. Now it's a good idea to put them all on the floor together with a dude who just got back from missing the entire season a few games prior? Absolutely ridiculous.

It's also completely disingenuous to say Thibs put the bench in and they blew the lead. At no point in this season have any of them been considered the bench by the HC. They are the 11-14 guys on the roster that he refuses to play. Had he been trying to use them when we needed to rest players throughout the season, maybe they perform a little better having some game experience and chemistry. A rookie a g league player a scrub and a volleyball player. Ridiculous.

This bench is so trash, could not even score 1 point. So many Knicks fans defending scrubs who would barely play in Europe. No wonder yall loved Frank so much

Hey clown shoes, try sticking to facts. The bench players we use were not on the floor the final two + minutes. It was players he hasn't played in weeks. Stop lying. You're wrong and you can take a walk now holding the L. Deflect to a guy who hasn't been here for half a decade? Clown shoes tap dancing.

The HC is trash with minutes and can't even figure out how to use his bench after decades of being in the league. It's no wonder the clown never won anything in his HC career. It's no wonder why so many of his defenders come pouring out of the clown car at the same time.

You're dismissed and on the list of stupid people I no longer engage with. Click.

[Gravy]

When you look at it without bias though, you can call it for what it was. Dumb. He emptied the bench of players he never plays and expects some sort of results? How about giving Payne/Shamet/Precious a few more minutes to run together? No. He goes with Kolek/Toppin/Ryan/Sims. Guys who haven't played in weeks. Guys who he refuses to play every single game. Now it's a good idea to put them all on the floor together with a dude who just got back from missing the entire season a few games prior? Absolutely ridiculous.

It's also completely disingenuous to say Thibs put the bench in and they blew the lead. At no point in this season have any of them been considered the bench by the HC. They are the 11-14 guys on the roster that he refuses to play. Had he been trying to use them when we needed to rest players throughout the season, maybe they perform a little better having some game experience and chemistry. A rookie a g league player a scrub and a volleyball player. Ridiculous.

This bench is so trash, could not even score 1 point. So many Knicks fans defending scrubs who would barely play in Europe. No wonder yall loved Frank so much

Hey clown shoes, try sticking to facts. The bench players we use were not on the floor the final two + minutes. It was players he hasn't played in weeks. Stop lying. You're wrong and you can take a walk now holding the L. Deflect to a guy who hasn't been here for half a decade? Clown shoes tap dancing.

The HC is trash with minutes and can't even figure out how to use his bench after decades of being in the league. It's no wonder the clown never won anything in his HC career. It's no wonder why so many of his defenders come pouring out of the clown car at the same time.

You're dismissed and on the list of stupid people I no longer engage with. Click.

See you tomorrow crazy man

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Thats what happened in the Raptors game, scored 12 straight but it was only 2 minutes left so no chance of them winning. Of course all the fans are crying at this point. When you extrapolate; if Thibs emptied the bench at 5 minutes we would have lost, at 6 minutes we would have been blown out

When you look at it without bias though, you can call it for what it was. Dumb. He emptied the bench of players he never plays and expects some sort of results? How about giving Payne/Shamet/Precious a few more minutes to run together? No. He goes with Kolek/Toppin/Ryan/Sims. Guys who haven't played in weeks. Guys who he refuses to play every single game. Now it's a good idea to put them all on the floor together with a dude who just got back from missing the entire season a few games prior? Absolutely ridiculous.

It's also completely disingenuous to say Thibs put the bench in and they blew the lead. At no point in this season have any of them been considered the bench by the HC. They are the 11-14 guys on the roster that he refuses to play. Had he been trying to use them when we needed to rest players throughout the season, maybe they perform a little better having some game experience and chemistry. A rookie a g league player a scrub and a volleyball player. Ridiculous.

This bench is so trash, could not even score 1 point. So many Knicks fans defending scrubs who would barely play in Europe. No wonder yall loved Frank so much "an unnatural allegiance to losers"

When in doubt, name drop "Frank".

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th
2014-15 - 27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th



13 years of coaching, 1 season where his bench played more than league average barely. I guess he's purely unlucky and every team he coaches has a terrible bench huh, or maybe he doesn't actually use them and they suck as a result of him not actually playing them. Which is more likely, he always has a terrible bench because of reasons or he's part of the reason the benches aren't great?


This is all however just Franks fault.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Also, the beauty of these statistical sites is that you can zero in on when someone is fired, so the Wolves got rid of Tom on Jan 6th, 2019. The Wolves bench that season was ranked 29th in MPG and 25th in PPG, after they fired him the same bench was ranked 14th in MPG and 13th in PPG, the same bench was somehow better Ryan Saunders had a similar record as Tom with that team, your god king coach.

[Gravy]

When you look at it without bias though, you can call it for what it was. Dumb. He emptied the bench of players he never plays and expects some sort of results? How about giving Payne/Shamet/Precious a few more minutes to run together? No. He goes with Kolek/Toppin/Ryan/Sims. Guys who haven't played in weeks. Guys who he refuses to play every single game. Now it's a good idea to put them all on the floor together with a dude who just got back from missing the entire season a few games prior? Absolutely ridiculous.

It's also completely disingenuous to say Thibs put the bench in and they blew the lead. At no point in this season have any of them been considered the bench by the HC. They are the 11-14 guys on the roster that he refuses to play. Had he been trying to use them when we needed to rest players throughout the season, maybe they perform a little better having some game experience and chemistry. A rookie a g league player a scrub and a volleyball player. Ridiculous.

This bench is so trash, could not even score 1 point. So many Knicks fans defending scrubs who would barely play in Europe. No wonder yall loved Frank so much "an unnatural allegiance to losers"

When in doubt, name drop "Frank".

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th



13 years of coaching, 1 season where his bench played more than league average barely. I guess he's purely unlucky and every team he coaches has a terrible bench huh, or maybe he doesn't actually use them and they suck as a result of him not actually playing them. Which is more likely, he always has a terrible bench because of reasons or he's part of the reason the benches aren't great?


This is all however just Franks fault.

Says the guy who told me Obi should be used like Draymond. Another Frank stan who criticized Thibs for not starting him. These current arguments are still the same

[NoDopeOnSundays]

This bench is so trash, could not even score 1 point. So many Knicks fans defending scrubs who would barely play in Europe. No wonder yall loved Frank so much "an unnatural allegiance to losers"

When in doubt, name drop "Frank".

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th



13 years of coaching, 1 season where his bench played more than league average barely. I guess he's purely unlucky and every team he coaches has a terrible bench huh, or maybe he doesn't actually use them and they suck as a result of him not actually playing them. Which is more likely, he always has a terrible bench because of reasons or he's part of the reason the benches aren't great?


This is all however just Franks fault.

Says the guy who told me Obi should be used like Draymond. Another Frank stan who criticized Thibs for not starting him. These current arguments are still the same

When in doubt, name drop old players Since we're talking old players

Mudiay has been putting up Kyrie-lite numbers on offense lately. I hope it continues. Ideally I'd want a high assist two way player, but good point guards are hard to find or the Knicks would not be searching for one for decades.

My question is; if we are so quick to get rid of Mudiay who do we get at PG that is so much better at his age in free agency or the draft?

Don't throw stones in glass houses, you were Mudiay stan, the audacity of you. KYRIE LITE So, how about you address the fact he never uses a bench, or you gonna bring up some other old player to deflect? Maybe if we had Mudiay off the bench we'd be better.

[Gravy]

When in doubt, name drop "Frank".

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th



13 years of coaching, 1 season where his bench played more than league average barely. I guess he's purely unlucky and every team he coaches has a terrible bench huh, or maybe he doesn't actually use them and they suck as a result of him not actually playing them. Which is more likely, he always has a terrible bench because of reasons or he's part of the reason the benches aren't great?


This is all however just Franks fault.

Says the guy who told me Obi should be used like Draymond. Another Frank stan who criticized Thibs for not starting him. These current arguments are still the same

When in doubt, name drop old players Since we're talking old players

Mudiay has been putting up Kyrie-lite numbers on offense lately. I hope it continues. Ideally I'd want a high assist two way player, but good point guards are hard to find or the Knicks would not be searching for one for decades.

My question is; if we are so quick to get rid of Mudiay who do we get at PG that is so much better at his age in free agency or the draft?

Don't throw stones in glass houses, you were Mudiay stan, the audacity of you. KYRIE LITE So, how about you address the fact he never uses a bench, or you gonna bring up some other old player to deflect? Maybe if we had Mudiay off the bench we'd be better.

Mudiay would be our 2nd best bench player after Deuce. You dont remember he was ballin! Had everybody scared he was destroying the tank

[Jalen Bluntson]

Also, the beauty of these statistical sites is that you can zero in on when someone is fired, so the Wolves got rid of Tom on Jan 6th, 2019. The Wolves bench that season was ranked 29th in MPG and 25th in PPG, after they fired him the same bench was ranked 14th in MPG and 13th in PPG, the same bench was somehow better Ryan Saunders had a similar record as Tom with that team, your god king coach.

Wow. Immediate turn around with the same group of players. Anyone with half a brain cell would see that Thibs has never used his bench properly. They could see the players who were never the same after playing for him due to injury. Deng/Rose/Noah/Lavine etc. They could acknowledge things that are happening right in front of their face. We have had several players get injured because Thibs is a moron. We are actively losing games because Thibs is a moron. Team are openly talking about how they game planned to beat us because they know Thibs runs players into the ground.

None of that matters. Me like Thibs. Thibs good. People bad.

[spree8]

Also, the beauty of these statistical sites is that you can zero in on when someone is fired, so the Wolves got rid of Tom on Jan 6th, 2019. The Wolves bench that season was ranked 29th in MPG and 25th in PPG, after they fired him the same bench was ranked 14th in MPG and 13th in PPG, the same bench was somehow better Ryan Saunders had a similar record as Tom with that team, your god king coach.

Give this man an award for his investigative reporting

[Chanel Bomber]

I disagree with the idea that Thibs doesn't adjust. I think he's grown a lot as a coach in recent years, and we owe the resurgence of this franchise in large part to him.

But playing time has been a sticking point where he has proven to be stubborn, and the opposite of wise or pragmatic.

The toll of the game is much greater now than it was 20 or even just 10 years ago.

Players with a track record of injury should be shielded from overuse. That OG is even in the top 30 - let alone the top 10 - in the NBA in minutes per game is malpractice, and unnecessarily risky. I don't see any reasonable argument for it.

And leaving the starters in when up 20 with a few minutes left to go is completely unnecessary. It just opens the door a bit longer for injuries that could be prevented.

Why he has grown in some areas and not this one, I cannot explain. It's puzzling.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I disagree with the idea that Thibs doesn't adjust. I think he's grown a lot as a coach in recent years, and we owe the resurgence of this franchise in large part to him.

But playing time has been a sticking point where he has proven to be stubborn, and the opposite of wise or pragmatic.

The toll of the game is much greater now than it was 20 or even just 10 years ago.

Players with a track record of injury should be shielded from overuse. That OG is even in the top 30 - let alone the top 10 - in the NBA in minutes per game is malpractice, and unnecessarily risky. I don't see any reasonable argument for it.

And leaving the starters in when up 20 with a few minutes left to go is completely unnecessary. It just opens the door a bit longer for injuries that could be prevented.

Why he has grown in some areas and not this one, I cannot explain. It's puzzling.

Seeing Jalen limping around on one leg for a couple of weeks. Seeing KAT go down late in a blow out. Watching the team get run off the floor by third string G League players. Watching fourth qtr meltdowns due to fatigue. These are the worst traits Thibs has as a head coach and the biggest adjustment he needs to make.

[3toheadmelo]

Says the guy who told me Obi should be used like Draymond. Another Frank stan who criticized Thibs for not starting him. These current arguments are still the same

When in doubt, name drop old players Since we're talking old players

Mudiay has been putting up Kyrie-lite numbers on offense lately. I hope it continues. Ideally I'd want a high assist two way player, but good point guards are hard to find or the Knicks would not be searching for one for decades.

My question is; if we are so quick to get rid of Mudiay who do we get at PG that is so much better at his age in free agency or the draft?

Don't throw stones in glass houses, you were Mudiay stan, the audacity of you. KYRIE LITE So, how about you address the fact he never uses a bench, or you gonna bring up some other old player to deflect? Maybe if we had Mudiay off the bench we'd be better.

Mudiay would be our 2nd best bench player after Deuce. You dont remember he was ballin! Had everybody scared he was destroying the tank

Mudiay was low key nice that year. He sucked as a playmaker but he was getting buckets. Averaged 15 PPG. It looked like he was going to turn his career around but it didn’t happen lol

[Buttah304]

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If we had Emmanuel Mudiay, Kyle O'Quinn, Lance Thomas and Trey Burke on the bench now, all the starters would be under 35mpg

[thebuzzardman]

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If we had Emmanuel Mudiay, Kyle O'Quinn, Lance Thomas and Trey Burke on the bench now, all the starters would be under 35mpg

What's scary is those names make a better bench than the one the Knicks currently have