jazz and lakers pick swap

[shagadelic45]

utah trades: 2025 #1 (CLE)


lal trades: removing protection on 2027 #1


what's the value of protection removal?


does utah swap out a guaranteed low 1st (cle currently has best record)...for the possibility of a better first in 2027?

lal does this to gain some additional capital to swing some trades in lebrons last years

[SkyHook]

utah trades: 2025 #1 (CLE)


lal trades: removing protection on 2027 #1


what's the value of protection removal?


does utah swap out a guaranteed low 1st (cle currently has best record)...for the possibility of a better first in 2027?

lal does this to gain some additional capital to swing some trades in lebrons last years

This exact scenario was discussed a few days ago. I said that I would do this for the Jazz and, iirc, others said that they wouldn't. I think the value is in the right ballpark.

[mg]

Yeah I think both teams should consider it but likely won't happen unless the Lakers need another FRP to make a deal by the deadline.

[Texas Chuck]

Lakers shouldn't do this unless as mg points out they need that low level asset for something else.

Utah should absolutely do this as fast as humanly possible. They will never miss pick 30, and you should want all the ultimate upside picks possible especially since there are real scenarios where the Lakers are terrible that year.

[winforlose]

Feels light for LAL. A pick guaranteed to be bad for a pick that might be good. Utah owes value here.

[shagadelic45]

Feels light for LAL. A pick guaranteed to be bad for a pick that might be good. Utah owes value here.

what about the 2025 MN pick?

[winforlose]

Feels light for LAL. A pick guaranteed to be bad for a pick that might be good. Utah owes value here.

what about the 2025 MN pick?

Could be between 15-26 reasonably. Probably a better pick to use.

[SkyHook]

Feels light for LAL. A pick guaranteed to be bad for a pick that might be good. Utah owes value here.

what about the 2025 MN pick?

Could be between 15-26 reasonably. Probably a better pick to use.

At only top-4 protected, that 2027 LAL pick already has a high probability of being really good. There's certainly value in removing the protection altogether, but—given the Wolves play overall this season (and their recent trend isn't much different)—that pick (19th currently) likely ends closer to 15 than 26 and is more value than I'd give from the Jazz to do so.

[nzahir]

I dont see why we would do this unless we have a trade or two lined up

If so, then sure

Still my #1 trade preference is Kessler or praying for a stretch C like Turner

Then its a #3 playmaker

Then its an upgrade over Rui if possible, but I dont see a ton of options

[winforlose]

what about the 2025 MN pick?

Could be between 15-26 reasonably. Probably a better pick to use.

At only top-4 protected, that 2027 LAL pick already has a high probability of being really good. There's certainly value in removing the protection altogether, but—given the Wolves play overall this season (and their recent trend isn't much different)—that pick (19th currently) likely ends closer to 15 than 26 and is more value than I'd give from the Jazz to do so.

You could always add more protections to your deal. But the value of a pick likely between 28-30 is nowhere near the value of a 1-4 protection. Winning the lottery not only keeps the pick, but a 1-4 is much more likely to be a high end rotation player if not a superstar. A number 30 is low end value, often not an NBA player (there are exceptions, but not as many as you might think,) and not that much better than a high 2nd.

[SkyHook]

Could be between 15-26 reasonably. Probably a better pick to use.

At only top-4 protected, that 2027 LAL pick already has a high probability of being really good. There's certainly value in removing the protection altogether, but—given the Wolves play overall this season (and their recent trend isn't much different)—that pick (19th currently) likely ends closer to 15 than 26 and is more value than I'd give from the Jazz to do so.

You could always add more protections to your deal. But the value of a pick likely between 28-30 is nowhere near the value of a 1-4 protection. Winning the lottery not only keeps the pick, but a 1-4 is much more likely to be a high end rotation player if not a superstar. A number 30 is low end value, often not an NBA player (there are exceptions, but not as many as you might think,) and not that much better than a high 2nd.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

[winforlose]

At only top-4 protected, that 2027 LAL pick already has a high probability of being really good. There's certainly value in removing the protection altogether, but—given the Wolves play overall this season (and their recent trend isn't much different)—that pick (19th currently) likely ends closer to 15 than 26 and is more value than I'd give from the Jazz to do so.

You could always add more protections to your deal. But the value of a pick likely between 28-30 is nowhere near the value of a 1-4 protection. Winning the lottery not only keeps the pick, but a 1-4 is much more likely to be a high end rotation player if not a superstar. A number 30 is low end value, often not an NBA player (there are exceptions, but not as many as you might think,) and not that much better than a high 2nd.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

One point in your favor. I didn’t realize how many valuable players have come out of 29 and 30 in the last 25 years. I wouldn’t call them good draft picks to own, it is still the same crap shoot as the mid 20s with more restrictions, but teams have used them well enough in SOME of the past 25 years.

[jazzfan1971]

I think it is fine for Utah. I would put the value about right for us.

I think this works for the Lakers if they need another 1st for a trade or this happens on draft night and ther is a player there that they love.

Outside of those two situations I think the Lakers should pass.

[winforlose]

I think it is fine for Utah. I would put the value about right for us.

I think this works for the Lakers if they need another 1st for a trade or this happens on draft night and ther is a player there that they love.

Outside of those two situations I think the Lakers should pass.

Another first is a misnomer here. Other teams will know whose first and the value relative to other firsts. A very late first is far more accurate. The Cavs are 33-4 and the best record in basketball.

[babyjax13]

I'd include 2 2nds on top of this to make it happen, but I would not do the Minnesota pick since it has a reasonable chance of being in the lottery & b/c the top 20 this year looks very nice (draft seems pretty flat, but not in a terrible way, from about 10-20 *at the moment*).

[jayjaysee]

In a trade, how many teams would want the “2%” (or more/less?) chance at “LAL’s 2027 5-30 protected” first or the sure thing of a last 3ish pick in the draft?

Think most teams should just tell LAL don’t worry about involving Utah.

Utah would have to add some minor value to the Cleveland first.

[SkyHook]

In a trade, how many teams would want the “2%” (or more/less?) chance at “LAL’s 2027 5-30 protected” first or the sure thing of a last 3ish pick in the draft?

Think most teams should just tell LAL don’t worry about involving Utah.

Utah would have to add some minor value to the Cleveland first.

If you're talking about a scenario where the Lakers aren't adding any kind of backup asset—pick 1-4 or nothing—then I imagine that there are some who might take that risk. A short list I suspect.