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3ammy3uck3ts wrote:SoFlaKingReal wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
Looks like they should’ve muted the old man’s mic at the press conference
Whose gonna mute Jimmy's mic? I know his dumbass agent wont.
If he’s going to keep taking us to the finals despite a terrible roster who cares
contract wrote:Hoops3355 wrote:contract wrote:Against my better judgement, I'm going to tackle this.
How do you think UD was treated? When Lebron and Bosh joined the Heat, UD had to accept a 50% cut from his previous salary, and turned down a 5 year $37 million offer from Denver to stay with the Heat.
When Wade left and the Heat had nothing to play for, the Heat could have made UD whole instead of overpaying the riff-raff (Wayne Ellington, Tyler Johnson, Derrick Williams, James Johnson, and Dion Waiters) we picked off the street ... and I said so at the time. We literally had nothing to lose by paying UD. Instead they made UD sit on the end of the bench for another 7 seasons without ever coming close to recouping the money he gave up to be a "Heat Lifer".
That was the pay back. UD wasn't ready to leave and got to do whatever he wanted for 7 seasons. He left 14m on the table but then grabbed up 19m between 2016 and retirement playing a grand total of 65 games. My guy what are these takes you are dropping here.
Assuming that you are correct, and assuming that UD made up the money he left on the table ... what lesson was Jimmy supposed to take from that? That he could sit on the end of the Heat bench earning the league minimum for as long as he liked?
Hoops3355 wrote:contract wrote:Hoops3355 wrote:
That was the pay back. UD wasn't ready to leave and got to do whatever he wanted for 7 seasons. He left 14m on the table but then grabbed up 19m between 2016 and retirement playing a grand total of 65 games. My guy what are these takes you are dropping here.
Assuming that you are correct, and assuming that UD made up the money he left on the table ... what lesson was Jimmy supposed to take from that? That he could sit on the end of the Heat bench earning the league minimum for as long as he liked?
That Riley would get him back on the tail end. It's clear Pat will love you as long as you want it. The thing that gets me is he just started BigFace and is clearly putting effort into and you'd think from a business perspective what are you DOING man you gotta whole city who wants to love you but you ain't loyal now at this moment. Just seems dumb could have kept this all behind closed doors.
AirP. wrote:Hoops3355 wrote:contract wrote:Assuming that you are correct, and assuming that UD made up the money he left on the table ... what lesson was Jimmy supposed to take from that? That he could sit on the end of the Heat bench earning the league minimum for as long as he liked?
That Riley would get him back on the tail end. It's clear Pat will love you as long as you want it. The thing that gets me is he just started BigFace and is clearly putting effort into and you'd think from a business perspective what are you DOING man you gotta whole city who wants to love you but you ain't loyal now at this moment. Just seems dumb could have kept this all behind closed doors.
It seems this was all behind closed doors (outside Riley's comments at the end of the year) until the last few weeks. Seems something changed and it was the last straw for Butler, maybe it was the no plays called in the first 7 minutes for him his first game back. That isn't out of the ordinary, there's been times he's not really been utilized much in the first quarter.
He's really only forced his way out once which was Minnesota, Thibodeau was doing everything he could to keep Butler in Minnesota so Butler made sure the owner got tired of him and did, to the point the owner said to other teams, come directly to me if you have to with your offers for Butler. Chicago, he asked out because they were going into a youth movement after telling him they were on a 2 year plan to open up cap space for 2 max players (why they signed Wade and Rozier for for more than everyone else would offer and only 2 years) and in Philly he just left in FA.
Dmcdani6 wrote:Id be a bit nervous about Jimmy opting in, and extending this Heat drama. Of course he becomes a big expiring, but he cant really be dumb enough to think hes gonna get 50+ on the open market this upcoming season? Right?
Riley shouldve said that **** to his face and not on national TV. I guess were still learning as we get into the twilight years as well.
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Why are the Heat penalized for overachieving? This board is so dumb with regards to the last few years, instead of celebrating the fact they fast tracked the rebuild timeline (or skipped it really) and were close to a couple championships, they lament over the fact that they didn't win those championships when they were never supposed to be there in the first place. Also, no credit is given to finding players that fit into the cap (ie undrafted) that bolstered those teams, only bitching about not trading for disgruntled stars even when there are times the league literally steps in to prevent it from happening (Dame).
Actually let me take that back, its not really this board, most of the bitching comes from player first fans with zero loyalty to any team who view everything as transactional. Whores will be whores.
AirP. wrote:Hoops3355 wrote:contract wrote:Assuming that you are correct, and assuming that UD made up the money he left on the table ... what lesson was Jimmy supposed to take from that? That he could sit on the end of the Heat bench earning the league minimum for as long as he liked?
That Riley would get him back on the tail end. It's clear Pat will love you as long as you want it. The thing that gets me is he just started BigFace and is clearly putting effort into and you'd think from a business perspective what are you DOING man you gotta whole city who wants to love you but you ain't loyal now at this moment. Just seems dumb could have kept this all behind closed doors.
It seems this was all behind closed doors (outside Riley's comments at the end of the year) until the last few weeks. Seems something changed and it was the last straw for Butler, maybe it was the no plays called in the first 7 minutes for him his first game back. That isn't out of the ordinary, there's been times he's not really been utilized much in the first quarter.
He's really only forced his way out once which was Minnesota, Thibodeau was doing everything he could to keep Butler in Minnesota so Butler made sure the owner got tired of him and did, to the point the owner said to other teams, come directly to me if you have to with your offers for Butler. Chicago, he asked out because they were going into a youth movement after telling him they were on a 2 year plan to open up cap space for 2 max players (why they signed Wade and Rozier for for more than everyone else would offer and only 2 years) and in Philly he just left in FA.
The Bunk wrote:God I hate this fraudulent clown.
I've never wanted to punch someone in the face so badly. Really hoping to run into him at a game one day. I won't hesitate.
Hoops3355 wrote:AirP. wrote:Hoops3355 wrote:
That Riley would get him back on the tail end. It's clear Pat will love you as long as you want it. The thing that gets me is he just started BigFace and is clearly putting effort into and you'd think from a business perspective what are you DOING man you gotta whole city who wants to love you but you ain't loyal now at this moment. Just seems dumb could have kept this all behind closed doors.
It seems this was all behind closed doors (outside Riley's comments at the end of the year) until the last few weeks. Seems something changed and it was the last straw for Butler, maybe it was the no plays called in the first 7 minutes for him his first game back. That isn't out of the ordinary, there's been times he's not really been utilized much in the first quarter.
He's really only forced his way out once which was Minnesota, Thibodeau was doing everything he could to keep Butler in Minnesota so Butler made sure the owner got tired of him and did, to the point the owner said to other teams, come directly to me if you have to with your offers for Butler. Chicago, he asked out because they were going into a youth movement after telling him they were on a 2 year plan to open up cap space for 2 max players (why they signed Wade and Rozier for for more than everyone else would offer and only 2 years) and in Philly he just left in FA.
What happened was he realized we weren't going to offer him an extension and he'd have to come back in 2026 on the MLE or whatever. Then also looked at the Free Agency teams that he could use as leverage.... and then realized that only Phx could pay him. Homie is all about the $$$ and his bag is getting messed with and he's misbehaving. Which is dumb if you have 50 Big Face Coffee locations in 10 years.
greg4012 wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:SoFlaKingReal wrote:
Those weren’t “terrible rosters”, especially the bubble team. You can keep saying that, but it’s not true. What they lacked in superstar talent was made up for with depth and chemistry.
The first year was the best overall team, that shouldn’t be the case. The 2nd finals team was absolutely a terrible roster and far worse than the 1st finals team to further prove my first sentence. It’s ok, players get old and can’t perform anymore, admitting the same is happening with Pat doesn’t ruin anything he’s done in the past but he has done a terrible job with this build and it’s not even debatable
TBH I think the #1 seed season was the best overall team.
ZoStrong wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:SoFlaKingReal wrote:
Whose gonna mute Jimmy's mic? I know his dumbass agent wont.
If he’s going to keep taking us to the finals despite a terrible roster who cares
He's not taking us to another Finals. I'd put every single dollar I have on it. Those two were fluky lucky runs. It was a fun run.
Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Why are the Heat penalized for overachieving? This board is so dumb with regards to the last few years, instead of celebrating the fact they fast tracked the rebuild timeline (or skipped it really) and were close to a couple championships, they lament over the fact that they didn't win those championships when they were never supposed to be there in the first place. Also, no credit is given to finding players that fit into the cap (ie undrafted) that bolstered those teams, only bitching about not trading for disgruntled stars even when there are times the league literally steps in to prevent it from happening (Dame).
Actually let me take that back, its not really this board, most of the bitching comes from player first fans with zero loyalty to any team who view everything as transactional. Whores will be whores.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:greg4012 wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
The first year was the best overall team, that shouldn’t be the case. The 2nd finals team was absolutely a terrible roster and far worse than the 1st finals team to further prove my first sentence. It’s ok, players get old and can’t perform anymore, admitting the same is happening with Pat doesn’t ruin anything he’s done in the past but he has done a terrible job with this build and it’s not even debatable
TBH I think the #1 seed season was the best overall team.
Definitely could have been, that’s the only team with an argument over 2020. I like the 2020 team though, playoff Dragic was great. Crowder was lights out and Iggy was that proven championship guy just making right plays all the time. We also got a good playoff Herro, it’s 2020 for me. Really liked that team and I figured it would only get better. Way too reliant on undrafted guys for me in 2022 and they just weren’t able to step up when it mattered most
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Why are the Heat penalized for overachieving? This board is so dumb with regards to the last few years, instead of celebrating the fact they fast tracked the rebuild timeline (or skipped it really) and were close to a couple championships, they lament over the fact that they didn't win those championships when they were never supposed to be there in the first place. Also, no credit is given to finding players that fit into the cap (ie undrafted) that bolstered those teams, only bitching about not trading for disgruntled stars even when there are times the league literally steps in to prevent it from happening (Dame).
Actually let me take that back, its not really this board, most of the bitching comes from player first fans with zero loyalty to any team who view everything as transactional. Whores will be whores.
Who’s our player only fans? AirP is the only one that comes to mind
Tim_Hardawayy wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Tim_Hardawayy wrote:Why are the Heat penalized for overachieving? This board is so dumb with regards to the last few years, instead of celebrating the fact they fast tracked the rebuild timeline (or skipped it really) and were close to a couple championships, they lament over the fact that they didn't win those championships when they were never supposed to be there in the first place. Also, no credit is given to finding players that fit into the cap (ie undrafted) that bolstered those teams, only bitching about not trading for disgruntled stars even when there are times the league literally steps in to prevent it from happening (Dame).
Actually let me take that back, its not really this board, most of the bitching comes from player first fans with zero loyalty to any team who view everything as transactional. Whores will be whores.
Who’s our player only fans? AirP is the only one that comes to mind
Not sure I don’t lurk/post enough anymore, but it was bad during the LeBron years as well. Even Shaq fans to a lesser degree.
It’s just funny to me because the narrative is always “youre only good because of x player”, and yet the Heat were good before that player and after in almost every case. The only common denominator is Riley, and if you’re a Dolphins or Marlins fan you should know what a huge difference good ownership and management can make vs bad.
So many people here are eager to run Riley and even Spo out of town, its so incredibly shortsighted. Its like they want the Heat to become the Hawks or the Hornets or something, which they were on track to becoming pre Riley. So many don’t even know about the Zo/Timmy years, or dismiss them because no championship.
