Trade Talk (Part 16): Early Season Anxiety Edition

[TimberKat]

Another name to monitor: Robert Williams. Mobile, can protect the rim, finish lobs, has some passing skills, injury prone.

He is making something like 12m, so it's hard to get salary match. I won't trade just Randle for him because we keep trading down and right now we desperately need another all star level player to pair with Ant. It will have to be either Naz or DDV which I don't think that is going either. Maybe somehow we do multiple trades ending with RW + a couple 1st + two of ( Camara, Sharp, Scoot, Simmon) for Randle + (JMcD or DDV) ?

[BlacJacMac]

I am not familiar with Nick Richards game, cant comment on this. With regard to JV he is probably one of the slowest bigs in NBA, yes, he is pretty physical, but I would prefer to build a second unit that can defend and run in transition. I understand that both Sharpe and Smith are undersized in terms of true С, but I am okay with it, as long as they can run in transition, rebound and defend.

Sharpe is very physical, aggressive rebounder. Not much a vertical leaper. He has good touch around rim, his intriguing skills is his passing, he has some natural talent to be a good passer. Jalen Smith can hit open 3s and block shots. Both fit well in our bench unit, in case we trade Randle.

Rationale makes sense to me. I guess I prefer the big bruising type because we can already go small and fast with Naz etc. I want someone who will make people pay going to the basket.

Is Bitadze a bruising type of big? BlacJacMac explained why Goga is untouchble for ORL, but maybe we can get an high energy type of backup big like Mo Wagner? I think it will be already a big improvement for our bench unit.

In terms of archetype I want TC to find Al Horford type of bigman to anchor bench unit, Horford has been one of the best pick-n-roll defenders in NBA, who even defender Doncic on few possessions in Finals. Horford is 6'8" with 7'0"wingspan, but extremely mobile and high IQ defender.

I don't think he's untouchable. I just don't think a deal around Randle gets it done.

[winforlose]

I debated making a separate thread, but for now let’s do this here. Rudy’s money makes him Star 2. Even with the paycut next year, he is our 2nd highest paid player. Excluding Randle as traded for pieces the next most expensive player is Jaden. Jaden is supposed to be a 3rd offensive option eventually (maybe 4th,) and our 2nd best defender as well as our POA defender. Naz is supposed to be our 2nd option, and the offensive replacement for KAT. With Ant as our star SG we now have only 1 starter spot.

I mention the above because I see in various places including this thread talk of us needing another offensive weapon to replace Randle, it should happen at the final starter spot. I also think Rudy is likely to get traded either next year or at the latest the year after to allow a better shooting big to replace him.

[BlacJacMac]

Another name to monitor: Robert Williams. Mobile, can protect the rim, finish lobs, has some passing skills, injury prone.

I absolutely love his game. But his injuries scare me even more than Ball.

[shrink]

Is Bitadze a bruising type of big? BlacJacMac explained why Goga is untouchble for ORL, but maybe we can get an high energy type of backup big like Mo Wagner? I think it will be already a big improvement for our bench unit.

I don't think he's untouchable. I just don't think a deal around Randle gets it done.

If you ask the Magic fans here on the Trade Board, they have ten untouchable players, as they shots down nearly every Orlando trade. It feels like the only player they’re willing to trade Cole Anthony!

That can’t reflect what their actual front office would do. But I don’t know which players they would trade.

[cmoss84]

My Friday Four-Team Freakishly Frantic Trade (w/bonus trade included!)...Would the juice be worth the squeeze???
Is Scottie Barnes THAT good?

Det IN: Brandon Ingram, Davion Mitchell, and Antonio Reeves
Det OUT: Isaiah Stewart and Ausar Thompson
Why? The Pistons have already been linked to Ingram. Giving away Stewart and Thompson is a bit of a risk here-but also gives them a better chance to re-sign Ingram. Mitchell gives them an Ivey band aide.
Cade-Mitchell-Sasser-THJ-Beasley-Ingram-Fontecchio-Holland-Harris-Duran-Reed

Toronto IN: Jaden McDaniels, NAW, Leonard Miller, Jose Alvarado, Yves Missi, '25 FRP (DET), '25 SRP (Utah), '30 FRP (SAS)
Toronto OUT: Scottie Barnes, Chris Boucher, Davion Mitchell, Jamal Shead, and Eugene O.
Why? Toronto is a dumpster fire with a bunch of expirings. They start over, trade BBJ and Olynyk, and re-sign NAW.
Quickly-Alvarado-BBJ-NAW-Dick-Agbaji-Barrett-Jaden-Miller-Missi-Poeltl

NOP IN: Isaiah Stewart, DD, Chris Boucher, Ausar Thompson, Eugene O.
NOP OUT: Brandon Ingram, Yves Missi, Daniel Theis, Jose Alvarado, and Antonio Reeves, '25 SRP, '27 SRP (Chi)
Why? You could make a case they get the best deal out of the four teams. What else are they going to get for Ingram?
Murray-CJM-DD-Thompson-Hawkins-Jones-Murphy III-Zion-Boucher-JRE-Stewart

MN IN: Scottie Barnes, Daniel Theis, and Jamal Shead, '25 SRP (NOP), '27 SRP (Chi)
MN OUT: Jaden, DD, NAW, Miller, '25 FRP (DET), '25 SRP (Utah), '30 FRP (SAS)
Why? We pair Scottie with Ant. The next Jordan and Pippen. We would also be an under 1st apron team. We give up a ton, but still have Randle to trade, which we do so for Ball and Smith in a separate trade. Pick up a vet free agent big or two.
(Biyombo, Robin Lopez, McGee, Sarr, Covington and Gallinari are all available)

PG: Ball (10) - Mike (28) - Shead (5) - RD (5)
SG: Ant (33) - Ball (13) - TSJ (garbage time)
SF: Naz (25) - Barnes (12) - Minott (8) - TSJ (garbage time)
PF: Barnes (22) - Smith (14) - Theis (6) - Naz (6)
C: Rudy (32) - Theis (10) - Smith (6)

[BlacJacMac]

My Friday Four-Team Freakishly Frantic Trade (w/bonus trade included!)...Would the juice be worth the squeeze???
Is Scottie Barnes THAT good?

Det IN: Brandon Ingram, Davion Mitchell, and Antonio Reeves
Det OUT: Isaiah Stewart and Ausar Thompson
Why? The Pistons have already been linked to Ingram. Giving away Stewart and Thompson is a bit of a risk here-but also gives them a better chance to re-sign Ingram. Mitchell gives them an Ivey band aide.
Cade-Mitchell-Sasser-THJ-Beasley-Ingram-Fontecchio-Holland-Harris-Duran-Reed

Toronto IN: Jaden McDaniels, NAW, Leonard Miller, Jose Alvarado, Yves Missi, '25 FRP (DET), '25 SRP (Utah), '30 FRP (SAS)
Toronto OUT: Scottie Barnes, Chris Boucher, Davion Mitchell, Jamal Shead, and Eugene O.
Why? Toronto is a dumpster fire with a bunch of expirings. They start over, trade BBJ and Olynyk, and re-sign NAW.
Quickly-Alvarado-BBJ-NAW-Dick-Agbaji-Barrett-Jaden-Miller-Missi-Poeltl

NOP IN: Isaiah Stewart, DD, Chris Boucher, Ausar Thompson, Eugene O.
NOP OUT: Brandon Ingram, Yves Missi, Daniel Theis, Jose Alvarado, and Antonio Reeves
Why? You could make a case they get the best deal out of the four teams. What else are they going to get for Ingram?
Murray-CJM-DD-Thompson-Hawkins-Jones-Murphy III-Zion-Boucher-JRE-Stewart

MN IN: Scottie Barnes, Daniel Theis, and Jamal Shead
MN OUT: Jaden, DD, NAW, Miller, '25 FRP (DET), '25 SRP (Utah), '30 FRP (SAS)
Why? We pair Scottie with Ant. The next Jordan and Pippen. We would also be an under 1st apron team. We give up a ton, but still have Randle to trade, which we do so for Ball and Smith in a separate trade. Pick up a vet free agent big or two.
(Biyombo, Robin Lopez, McGee, Sarr, Covington and Gallinari are all available)

PG: Ball (10) - Mike (28) - Shead (5) - RD (5)
SG: Ant (33) - Ball (13) - TSJ (garbage time)
SF: Naz (25) - Barnes (12) - Minott (8) - TSJ (garbage time)
PF: Barnes (22) - Vet FA (14) - Theis (6) - Naz (6)
C: Rudy (32) - Theis (10) - Vet FA (6)

One thing. We can't trade a 2030 1st round pick. Even with it being a potential swap, since we've already traded 2029 and 2031, the Stepien Rule disallows us from trading 2030.

[cmoss84]

My Friday Four-Team Freakishly Frantic Trade (w/bonus trade included!)...Would the juice be worth the squeeze???
Is Scottie Barnes THAT good?

Det IN: Brandon Ingram, Davion Mitchell, and Antonio Reeves
Det OUT: Isaiah Stewart and Ausar Thompson
Why? The Pistons have already been linked to Ingram. Giving away Stewart and Thompson is a bit of a risk here-but also gives them a better chance to re-sign Ingram. Mitchell gives them an Ivey band aide.
Cade-Mitchell-Sasser-THJ-Beasley-Ingram-Fontecchio-Holland-Harris-Duran-Reed

Toronto IN: Jaden McDaniels, NAW, Leonard Miller, Jose Alvarado, Yves Missi, '25 FRP (DET), '25 SRP (Utah), '30 FRP (SAS)
Toronto OUT: Scottie Barnes, Chris Boucher, Davion Mitchell, Jamal Shead, and Eugene O.
Why? Toronto is a dumpster fire with a bunch of expirings. They start over, trade BBJ and Olynyk, and re-sign NAW.
Quickly-Alvarado-BBJ-NAW-Dick-Agbaji-Barrett-Jaden-Miller-Missi-Poeltl

NOP IN: Isaiah Stewart, DD, Chris Boucher, Ausar Thompson, Eugene O.
NOP OUT: Brandon Ingram, Yves Missi, Daniel Theis, Jose Alvarado, and Antonio Reeves, '25 SRP, '27 SRP (Chi)
Why? You could make a case they get the best deal out of the four teams. What else are they going to get for Ingram?
Murray-CJM-DD-Thompson-Hawkins-Jones-Murphy III-Zion-Boucher-JRE-Stewart

MN IN: Scottie Barnes, Daniel Theis, and Jamal Shead, '25 SRP (NOP), '27 SRP (Chi)
MN OUT: Jaden, DD, NAW, Miller, '25 FRP (DET), '25 SRP (Utah), '30 FRP (SAS) or different if not allowed
Why? We pair Scottie with Ant. The next Jordan and Pippen. We would also be an under 1st apron team. We give up a ton, but still have Randle to trade, which we do so for Ball and Smith in a separate trade. Pick up a vet free agent or two.
(Biyombo, Robin Lopez, McGee, Sarr, Covington, Bullock, and Gallinari are all available)

PG: Ball (10) - Mike (28) - Shead (5) - RD (5)
SG: Ant (33) - Ball (13) - TSJ (garbage time)
SF: Naz (25) - Barnes (12) - Minott (8) - TSJ (garbage time)
PF: Barnes (22) - Smith (14) - Theis (6) - Naz (6)
C: Rudy (32) - Theis (10) - Smith (6)

@BlacJacMac thanks for the catch. Spotrac allows it for some reason. I also forgot Smith-so edited that as well.

[Domejandro]

Toronto isn’t trading Scottie Barnes for that package.

[cmoss84]

Toronto isn’t trading Scottie Barnes for that package.

How short am I? In draft picks any way?

[winforlose]

My Friday Four-Team Freakishly Frantic Trade (w/bonus trade included!)...Would the juice be worth the squeeze???
Is Scottie Barnes THAT good?

Det IN: Brandon Ingram, Davion Mitchell, and Antonio Reeves
Det OUT: Isaiah Stewart and Ausar Thompson
Why? The Pistons have already been linked to Ingram. Giving away Stewart and Thompson is a bit of a risk here-but also gives them a better chance to re-sign Ingram. Mitchell gives them an Ivey band aide.
Cade-Mitchell-Sasser-THJ-Beasley-Ingram-Fontecchio-Holland-Harris-Duran-Reed

Toronto IN: Jaden McDaniels, NAW, Leonard Miller, Jose Alvarado, Yves Missi, '25 FRP (DET), '25 SRP (Utah), '30 FRP (SAS)
Toronto OUT: Scottie Barnes, Chris Boucher, Davion Mitchell, Jamal Shead, and Eugene O.
Why? Toronto is a dumpster fire with a bunch of expirings. They start over, trade BBJ and Olynyk, and re-sign NAW.
Quickly-Alvarado-BBJ-NAW-Dick-Agbaji-Barrett-Jaden-Miller-Missi-Poeltl

NOP IN: Isaiah Stewart, DD, Chris Boucher, Ausar Thompson, Eugene O.
NOP OUT: Brandon Ingram, Yves Missi, Daniel Theis, Jose Alvarado, and Antonio Reeves, '25 SRP, '27 SRP (Chi)
Why? You could make a case they get the best deal out of the four teams. What else are they going to get for Ingram?
Murray-CJM-DD-Thompson-Hawkins-Jones-Murphy III-Zion-Boucher-JRE-Stewart

MN IN: Scottie Barnes, Daniel Theis, and Jamal Shead, '25 SRP (NOP), '27 SRP (Chi)
MN OUT: Jaden, DD, NAW, Miller, '25 FRP (DET), '25 SRP (Utah), '30 FRP (SAS)
Why? We pair Scottie with Ant. The next Jordan and Pippen. We would also be an under 1st apron team. We give up a ton, but still have Randle to trade, which we do so for Ball and Smith in a separate trade. Pick up a vet free agent big or two.
(Biyombo, Robin Lopez, McGee, Sarr, Covington and Gallinari are all available)

PG: Ball (10) - Mike (28) - Shead (5) - RD (5)
SG: Ant (33) - Ball (13) - TSJ (garbage time)
SF: Naz (25) - Barnes (12) - Minott (8) - TSJ (garbage time)
PF: Barnes (22) - Smith (14) - Theis (6) - Naz (6)
C: Rudy (32) - Theis (10) - Smith (6)

Jim Pete talked about Missi as ROTY candidate for the Pels. If this is true, they wouldn’t move him for anything less than a massive overpay. This has them giving up BI and Missi plus an excellent backup PG in Alverado for DDV, Thompson, and backups/filler. They would slam the door very fast, which makes everything else fall apart.

[BlacJacMac]

Jim Pete talked about Missi as ROTY candidate for the Pels. If this is true, they wouldn’t move him for anything less than a massive overpay. This has them giving up BI and Missi plus an excellent backup PG in Alverado for DDV, Thompson, and backups/filler. They would slam the door very fast, which makes everything else fall apart.

Missi looks like he's going to be special.

6'11. 235, 7'2 wingspan. Only 20 years old. Tremendous athlete with excellent coordination and hands. And he screens and boxes out like a vet. Gets his hands on a lot of balls.

Giving them 9 and 8 with 2 stocks in only 27 minutes. No stretch in his game, but looks to be a decent FT shooter (68%).

[cmoss84]

My Friday Four-Team Freakishly Frantic Trade (w/bonus trade included!)...Would the juice be worth the squeeze???
Is Scottie Barnes THAT good?

Det IN: Brandon Ingram, Davion Mitchell, and Antonio Reeves
Det OUT: Isaiah Stewart and Ausar Thompson
Why? The Pistons have already been linked to Ingram. Giving away Stewart and Thompson is a bit of a risk here-but also gives them a better chance to re-sign Ingram. Mitchell gives them an Ivey band aide.
Cade-Mitchell-Sasser-THJ-Beasley-Ingram-Fontecchio-Holland-Harris-Duran-Reed

Toronto IN: Jaden McDaniels, NAW, Leonard Miller, Jose Alvarado, Yves Missi, '25 FRP (DET), '25 SRP (Utah), '30 FRP (SAS)
Toronto OUT: Scottie Barnes, Chris Boucher, Davion Mitchell, Jamal Shead, and Eugene O.
Why? Toronto is a dumpster fire with a bunch of expirings. They start over, trade BBJ and Olynyk, and re-sign NAW.
Quickly-Alvarado-BBJ-NAW-Dick-Agbaji-Barrett-Jaden-Miller-Missi-Poeltl

NOP IN: Isaiah Stewart, DD, Chris Boucher, Ausar Thompson, Eugene O.
NOP OUT: Brandon Ingram, Yves Missi, Daniel Theis, Jose Alvarado, and Antonio Reeves, '25 SRP, '27 SRP (Chi)
Why? You could make a case they get the best deal out of the four teams. What else are they going to get for Ingram?
Murray-CJM-DD-Thompson-Hawkins-Jones-Murphy III-Zion-Boucher-JRE-Stewart

MN IN: Scottie Barnes, Daniel Theis, and Jamal Shead, '25 SRP (NOP), '27 SRP (Chi)
MN OUT: Jaden, DD, NAW, Miller, '25 FRP (DET), '25 SRP (Utah), '30 FRP (SAS)
Why? We pair Scottie with Ant. The next Jordan and Pippen. We would also be an under 1st apron team. We give up a ton, but still have Randle to trade, which we do so for Ball and Smith in a separate trade. Pick up a vet free agent big or two.
(Biyombo, Robin Lopez, McGee, Sarr, Covington and Gallinari are all available)

PG: Ball (10) - Mike (28) - Shead (5) - RD (5)
SG: Ant (33) - Ball (13) - TSJ (garbage time)
SF: Naz (25) - Barnes (12) - Minott (8) - TSJ (garbage time)
PF: Barnes (22) - Smith (14) - Theis (6) - Naz (6)
C: Rudy (32) - Theis (10) - Smith (6)

Jim Pete talked about Missi as ROTY candidate for the Pels. If this is true, they wouldn’t move him for anything less than a massive overpay. This has them giving up BI and Missi plus an excellent backup PG in Alverado for DDV, Thompson, and backups/filler. They would slam the door very fast, which makes everything else fall apart.

Detroit can throw some picks at NO...

[winforlose]

My Friday Four-Team Freakishly Frantic Trade (w/bonus trade included!)...Would the juice be worth the squeeze???
Is Scottie Barnes THAT good?

Det IN: Brandon Ingram, Davion Mitchell, and Antonio Reeves
Det OUT: Isaiah Stewart and Ausar Thompson
Why? The Pistons have already been linked to Ingram. Giving away Stewart and Thompson is a bit of a risk here-but also gives them a better chance to re-sign Ingram. Mitchell gives them an Ivey band aide.
Cade-Mitchell-Sasser-THJ-Beasley-Ingram-Fontecchio-Holland-Harris-Duran-Reed

Toronto IN: Jaden McDaniels, NAW, Leonard Miller, Jose Alvarado, Yves Missi, '25 FRP (DET), '25 SRP (Utah), '30 FRP (SAS)
Toronto OUT: Scottie Barnes, Chris Boucher, Davion Mitchell, Jamal Shead, and Eugene O.
Why? Toronto is a dumpster fire with a bunch of expirings. They start over, trade BBJ and Olynyk, and re-sign NAW.
Quickly-Alvarado-BBJ-NAW-Dick-Agbaji-Barrett-Jaden-Miller-Missi-Poeltl

NOP IN: Isaiah Stewart, DD, Chris Boucher, Ausar Thompson, Eugene O.
NOP OUT: Brandon Ingram, Yves Missi, Daniel Theis, Jose Alvarado, and Antonio Reeves, '25 SRP, '27 SRP (Chi)
Why? You could make a case they get the best deal out of the four teams. What else are they going to get for Ingram?
Murray-CJM-DD-Thompson-Hawkins-Jones-Murphy III-Zion-Boucher-JRE-Stewart

MN IN: Scottie Barnes, Daniel Theis, and Jamal Shead, '25 SRP (NOP), '27 SRP (Chi)
MN OUT: Jaden, DD, NAW, Miller, '25 FRP (DET), '25 SRP (Utah), '30 FRP (SAS)
Why? We pair Scottie with Ant. The next Jordan and Pippen. We would also be an under 1st apron team. We give up a ton, but still have Randle to trade, which we do so for Ball and Smith in a separate trade. Pick up a vet free agent big or two.
(Biyombo, Robin Lopez, McGee, Sarr, Covington and Gallinari are all available)

PG: Ball (10) - Mike (28) - Shead (5) - RD (5)
SG: Ant (33) - Ball (13) - TSJ (garbage time)
SF: Naz (25) - Barnes (12) - Minott (8) - TSJ (garbage time)
PF: Barnes (22) - Smith (14) - Theis (6) - Naz (6)
C: Rudy (32) - Theis (10) - Smith (6)

Jim Pete talked about Missi as ROTY candidate for the Pels. If this is true, they wouldn’t move him for anything less than a massive overpay. This has them giving up BI and Missi plus an excellent backup PG in Alverado for DDV, Thompson, and backups/filler. They would slam the door very fast, which makes everything else fall apart.

Detroit can throw some picks at NO...

Why would they? You don’t have them getting enough value to give up picks.

[Norseman79]

Leonard Miller for Ulrich Chomche.

Randle out Murray and Robinson-Earl in.

[cmoss84]

Jim Pete talked about Missi as ROTY candidate for the Pels. If this is true, they wouldn’t move him for anything less than a massive overpay. This has them giving up BI and Missi plus an excellent backup PG in Alverado for DDV, Thompson, and backups/filler. They would slam the door very fast, which makes everything else fall apart.

Detroit can throw some picks at NO...

Why would they? You don’t have them getting enough value to give up picks.

I'm confused. You just said you would slam the door if you were NOP because you gave up too much value?

[winforlose]

Detroit can throw some picks at NO...

Why would they? You don’t have them getting enough value to give up picks.

I'm confused. You just said you would slam the door if you were NOP because you gave up too much value?

The Pistons don’t get enough value back to add picks to the Pels. You have Missi going to Toronto.

[cmoss84]

So Missi has way more value than Brandon Ingram?
I seriously have no clue...

[winforlose]

So Missi has way more value than Brandon Ingram?
I seriously have no clue...

You have them moving both. Again you establish that 2 players equals BI. Then you say that Pels should give 2 2nds and the ROTY for filler. When I asked you about that you responded that Detroit should add picks. But what is Detroit getting worth the players out and the picks?

Quoting you “ The Pistons have already been linked to Ingram. Giving away Stewart and Thompson is a bit of a risk here-but also gives them a better chance to re-sign Ingram.” Unless I misunderstood that taking a bit of risk comment.

[cmoss84]

All good!