The Official Mike Conley Thread

minimus · Post #321 » by **minimus** » Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:58 am

We need Minnesota Mike.

FrenchMinnyFan · Post #322 » by **FrenchMinnyFan** » Sat Nov 16, 2024 9:43 am

Mike was great tonight. Nice to see he is back near her usual level.

Crunch 99 · Post #323 » by **Crunch 99** » Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:52 pm

FrenchMinnyFan wrote:Absolutely. I follow Mike since he got drafted and since he pass 30, he always need a bit of games to warm up. Nothing to worry, he will be here again this year and contribute.

Well last season he started out hot, averaging 10.5 ppg on 64.8 TS% over first 12 games. But I still remember his shooting slump when he first came to the Jazz in 2019: 14.8 ppg on 48.5 TS% over first 12 games. That initial shooting slump went on quite awhile, but it turned out he was fighting nagging hamstring issues.

At some point, father time will catch up to him, but I suspect this current shooting slump is more a run of the mill shooting slump than father time. We'll see.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?DateFrom=10%2F01%2F2023&DateTo=11%2F18%2F2023&TeamID=1610612750&Season=2023-24

minimus · Post #324 » by **minimus** » Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:49 am

In last 7 games: 26 MPG, 39%FG, 41% 3PT, 3.3.RPG, 4.7APG, 1SPG, 1.7 TOV

winforlose · Post #325 » by **winforlose** » Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:35 pm

Mike is feeling his age and his nagging wrist injury. I wish he could play off the bench, but we don’t have anyone to replace him in the starting 5. You cannot plug NAW in or the bench unit has no scoring. You cannot plug DDV in as he cannot play on ball. You could move Ant to the PG, but he will demand a trade. We need a better starting PG and more structured offense to help them out.

FrenchMinnyFan · Post #326 » by **FrenchMinnyFan** » Sat Dec 21, 2024 1:00 am

winforlose wrote:Mike is feeling his age and his nagging wrist injury. I wish he could play off the bench, but we don’t have anyone to replace him in the starting 5. You cannot plug NAW in or the bench unit has no scoring. You cannot plug DDV in as he cannot play on ball. You could move Ant to the PG, but he will demand a trade. We need a better starting PG and more structured offense to help them out.

I agree and disagree !
Agree on the fact that he need more time to warm and each games after few days off, he start very slow. Getting older does not help.
Disagree on data as there are more or less the same as last year, considering he play less min.
Agree on the fact that while playing with Randle and ANT, he is definitely not useful as he was. Sitting in the corner and not seeing the ball when the 2 stick with the ball is useless.
Agree that trading a good scoring PG and bring Mike from the bench could be a good solution. The starting 4 line up with Mike-Rudy-Naw-Jaden-DDV is pretty good.

Post #327 » by **Klomp** » Mon Dec 30, 2024 7:38 pm

When the trade was made just shy of three years ago, everyone would agree that a major part of acquiring him was to get the best out of Rudy Gobert.

However, three years later, I wonder now if the two need to be matched up as much as possible to get the most out of Conley.

It's interesting looking at the plus-minus numbers....Mike Conley Jr. has finished with a positive in just ONE loss this season: Nov. 12 at Portland. He also was a net-zero in the Oct. 29 loss against Dallas. The team is 3-8 in games where he is a net-negative.

wolves_89 · Post #328 » by **wolves_89** » Tue Dec 31, 2024 11:09 pm

One question I have about Mike is whether his 32% shooting percentage on 2s is due to age or wrist issues. The 15% drop-off from the percentages he's put up pretty consistently through his whole career is more than a little concerning.

FrenchMinnyFan · Post #329 » by **FrenchMinnyFan** » Thu Jan 2, 2025 1:04 am

wolves_89 wrote:One question I have about Mike is whether his 32% shooting percentage on 2s is due to age or wrist issues. The 15% drop-off from the percentages he's put up pretty consistently through his whole career is more than a little concerning.

Knowing Mike by heart as a 17 years follower, i can say that he got some physical concern. Wrist issues may be the reason. However, limiting him at 22-24 min per game will help and the most important is to see him at 100% at PO time. I still think that we should trade for another PG, at least a good back up.TO is the biggest issues we got with this team and Mike is the only one who carry the ball well. Randle, Ant, DDV and NAW are not consistent in this part of the game.

Post #330 » by **Klomp** » Tue Jan 7, 2025 3:18 pm

"When I'm just out there running corner to corner and not really being myself, you could start anyone at that point...."

I thought this was a good way to put it from Mike, and a good question from Dane to set it up. When he first got here, he talked about how being put back into the actions gave him new life as opposed to spending more time in the corners in Utah. After the trade this year, he naturally devolved into more of the third option as initiator, which took away much of what he does best and he tended to spend most of his time back in the corner.

FrenchMinnyFan · Post #331 » by **FrenchMinnyFan** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 12:04 am

Klomp wrote:"When I'm just out there running corner to corner and not really being myself, you could start anyone at that point...."

I thought this was a good way to put it from Mike, and a good question from Dane to set it up. When he first got here, he talked about how being put back into the actions gave him new life as opposed to spending more time in the corners in Utah. After the trade this year, he naturally devolved into more of the third option as initiator, which took away much of what he does best and he tended to spend most of his time back in the corner.

Perfect resume of the situation.

Post #332 » by **Klomp** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 12:35 am

Interestingly, Conley's "demotion" hasn't really changed the number of minutes Mike has played.

Also interesting is Mike's splits so far this season:
Minnesota is 12-3 when Mike plays over 25 minutes
Minnesota is 8-10 when Mike plays under 25 minutes
Minnesota is 0-4 when Mike doesn't play.

BlacJacMac · Post #333 » by **BlacJacMac** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 12:38 am

Klomp wrote:Interestingly, Conley's "demotion" hasn't really changed the number of minutes Mike has played.

Also interesting is Mike's splits so far this season:
Minnesota is 12-3 when Mike plays over 25 minutes
Minnesota is 8-10 when Mike plays under 25 minutes
Minnesota is 0-4 when Mike doesn't play.

Is he playing shorter stints?

winforlose · Post #334 » by **winforlose** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:32 am

Klomp wrote:Interestingly, Conley's "demotion" hasn't really changed the number of minutes Mike has played.

Also interesting is Mike's splits so far this season:
Minnesota is 12-3 when Mike plays over 25 minutes
Minnesota is 8-10 when Mike plays under 25 minutes
Minnesota is 0-4 when Mike doesn't play.

You of all people making this argument is funny. You’re the guy who repeatedly said PGs don’t matter.

Post #335 » by **Klomp** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:43 am

winforlose wrote:
Klomp wrote:Interestingly, Conley's "demotion" hasn't really changed the number of minutes Mike has played.

Also interesting is Mike's splits so far this season:
Minnesota is 12-3 when Mike plays over 25 minutes
Minnesota is 8-10 when Mike plays under 25 minutes
Minnesota is 0-4 when Mike doesn't play.

You of all people making this argument is funny. You’re the guy who repeatedly said PGs don’t matter.

I don't think the team plays well when Mike plays because he's a PG.
I think the team plays well when Mike plays because he's a damn good player.

winforlose · Post #336 » by **winforlose** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:44 am

Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Klomp wrote:Interestingly, Conley's "demotion" hasn't really changed the number of minutes Mike has played.

Also interesting is Mike's splits so far this season:
Minnesota is 12-3 when Mike plays over 25 minutes
Minnesota is 8-10 when Mike plays under 25 minutes
Minnesota is 0-4 when Mike doesn't play.

You of all people making this argument is funny. You’re the guy who repeatedly said PGs don’t matter.

I don't think the team plays well when Mike plays because he's a PG.
I think the team plays well when Mike plays because he's a damn good player.

Explain this distinction please? What makes him a damn good player?

FrenchMinnyFan · Post #337 » by **FrenchMinnyFan** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:08 am

Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Klomp wrote:Interestingly, Conley's "demotion" hasn't really changed the number of minutes Mike has played.

Also interesting is Mike's splits so far this season:
Minnesota is 12-3 when Mike plays over 25 minutes
Minnesota is 8-10 when Mike plays under 25 minutes
Minnesota is 0-4 when Mike doesn't play.

You of all people making this argument is funny. You’re the guy who repeatedly said PGs don’t matter.

I don't think the team plays well when Mike plays because he's a PG.
I think the team plays well when Mike plays because he's a damn good player.

Agree. And finally i think moving Mike to the bench is a smart move. He play limited min with Randle and Ant together and he can be important. Where he is border useless when he don't carry and sit in a corner waiting for a ball who almost never come.

winforlose · Post #338 » by **winforlose** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:09 am

FrenchMinnyFan wrote:
Klomp wrote:
winforlose wrote:
You of all people making this argument is funny. You’re the guy who repeatedly said PGs don’t matter.

I don't think the team plays well when Mike plays because he's a PG.
I think the team plays well when Mike plays because he's a damn good player.

Agree. And finally i think moving Mike to the bench is a smart move. He play limited min with Randle and Ant together and he can be important. Where he is border useless when he don't carry and sit in a corner waiting for a ball who almost never come.

So you think PG play is not relevant. You don’t think the team operates better with high BBIQ players who can run the offense? You don’t see the connection between our winning games and using a PG for more than 25 minutes?

shrink · Post #339 » by **shrink** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:15 am

winforlose wrote:
FrenchMinnyFan wrote:
Klomp wrote:I don't think the team plays well when Mike plays because he's a PG.
I think the team plays well when Mike plays because he's a damn good player.

Agree. And finally i think moving Mike to the bench is a smart move. He play limited min with Randle and Ant together and he can be important. Where he is border useless when he don't carry and sit in a corner waiting for a ball who almost never come.

So you think PG play is not relevant. You don’t think the team operates better with high BBIQ players who can run the offense? You don’t see the connection between our winning games and using a PG for more than 25 minutes?

DLo was a PG when he was here.

winforlose · Post #340 » by **winforlose** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:18 am

shrink wrote:
winforlose wrote:
FrenchMinnyFan wrote:
Agree. And finally i think moving Mike to the bench is a smart move. He play limited min with Randle and Ant together and he can be important. Where he is border useless when he don't carry and sit in a corner waiting for a ball who almost never come.

So you think PG play is not relevant. You don’t think the team operates better with high BBIQ players who can run the offense? You don’t see the connection between our winning games and using a PG for more than 25 minutes?

DLo was a PG when he was here.

Please elaborate.