PG: Knicks vs. Thunder: BELT-TO-ASS GAME

[snadler]

I know many are misdirecting their anger towards thibs, but really should be focusing on the roster and what’s been different losing 4 of 5. First, brunson no longer taking or making 3’s. His reluctance to shoot or make the 3 has created awful floor spacing, less room for KAT, much worse ball and player movement. Next, OG’s lack of confidence shooting the 3, particularly the corner 3 where he has dominated and lastly KAT who’s been unreal on offense, has been way below average on defense. His lack of shot blocking presence to go along with thibs packing the paint philosophy has made it way to easy for opponents to score. The way this team has been winning is executing an elite offense which prior to 5 games ago, knicks were top 3.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

OKC bench: +76

Knicks bench:-40

Must be nice to have a guy on your bench that can score 31 easily if some of your starters dont have it. Fans want our starters to play their minutes, then play with the bench too to help them and wonder why at the end of the game the starters minutes are so high and they are tired.

This is hilarious, coming in here to talk about the bench when the starters had a 68.0 ORTG in the first half is wild. The game was lost in the first half when we managed to score 43 points. The starters got blasted, but you want to blame the bench because then you don't have to blame your lord Tom.

OG and Mikal have apparently slammed into a wall, but that's somehow the benches fault, not the ridiculous amount of minutes they played last month

[KnixinSix]

the Knicks postgame show

Is heavily criticizing the Knicks playing starters so many minutes and talking about how the poor play is due to fatigue. Not explicitly mentioning Thibs but getting as close to openly criticizing him as you can without actually doing it.

Those are your company men. When they begin to criticize coach strategy that is an indicator that guys above the coach (i.e the front office) are not happy.

[3toheadmelo]

This team has issues that are beyond Thibs

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[Context]

I know many are misdirecting their anger towards thibs, but really should be focusing on the roster and what’s been different losing 4 of 5. First, brunson no longer taking or making 3’s. His reluctance to shoot or make the 3 has created awful floor spacing, less room for KAT, much worse ball and player movement. Next, OG’s lack of confidence shooting the 3, particularly the corner 3 where he has dominated and lastly KAT who’s been unreal on offense, has been way below average on defense. His lack of shot blocking presence to go along with thibs packing the paint philosophy has made it way to easy for opponents to score. The way this team has been winning is executing an elite offense which prior to 5 games ago, knicks were top 3.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

This team has issues that are beyond Thibs

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This same thing happened with the Bulls and Wolves, the Thibs timeline is playing out here like it did there. He runs a team ragged, eventually they can't perform like they did before, players defend him and say it's not the minutes, people speculate theres some other unknown reason. Then he gets fired. The man is the white Doc Rivers, his story plays out the same everywhere he goes, and so does Tom's.

[Gravy]

OKC bench: +76

Knicks bench:-40

Must be nice to have a guy on your bench that can score 31 easily if some of your starters dont have it. Fans want our starters to play their minutes, then play with the bench too to help them and wonder why at the end of the game the starters minutes are so high and they are tired.

This is hilarious, coming in here to talk about the bench when the starters had a 68.0 ORTG in the first half is wild. The game was lost in the first half when we managed to score 43 points. The starters got blasted, but you want to blame the bench because then you don't have to blame your lord Tom.

OG and Mikal have apparently slammed into a wall, but that's somehow the benches fault, not the ridiculous amount of minutes they played last month

I was told OG and Mikal did not need to play that many minutes because the bench was good. Maybe the next coach will go out there and hit some shots/play defense for the bench so OG and Mikal can rest more. Dadiet, Kolek and Hukporti would already be stars too under this next great coach. Cant wait to get him.

[Adelheid]

during the winning streak, i was seeing oh so beautiful ball movement. Very different from the stagnancy during these losses

what the hell is going over there?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

OKC bench: +76

Knicks bench:-40

Must be nice to have a guy on your bench that can score 31 easily if some of your starters dont have it. Fans want our starters to play their minutes, then play with the bench too to help them and wonder why at the end of the game the starters minutes are so high and they are tired.

This is hilarious, coming in here to talk about the bench when the starters had a 68.0 ORTG in the first half is wild. The game was lost in the first half when we managed to score 43 points. The starters got blasted, but you want to blame the bench because then you don't have to blame your lord Tom.

OG and Mikal have apparently slammed into a wall, but that's somehow the benches fault, not the ridiculous amount of minutes they played last month

I was told OG and Mikal did not need to play that many minutes because the bench was good. Maybe the next coach will go out there and hit some shots/play defense for the bench so OG and Mikal can rest more. Dadiet, Kolek and Hukporti would already be stars too under this next great coach. Cant wait to get him.

Making up arguments just to defend Thibs, you may as well call that man Daddy with how hard you're going for him. The damage is already done to those two, Mikal averaged 41mpg from December until maybe 2 games ago. The starters got annihilated, the two wings were 2-17 and couldn't guard anyone, that is obviously the bench's fault, it's also the bench's fault the starting 5 can't shoot threes anymore. It's the bench' fault that our defensive scheme on threes is horrific and almost always leads to 1-2 passes away from an open shot for the opponents.


In 2018, Jimmy Butler literally sat out the all-star game cause he was tired, that was obviously the bench's fault

[JayTWill]

What about a solution of better players? We lost too much bench talent in the trades for starters

How do we get better players without any real assets? The core of the team doesn't have a ton of untapped potential. Thibs definitely doesn't have any untapped potential. Is your solution to just keep Thibs around and continue what we are doing? If the Paynes and Shamets of the world are not enough do you think adding more vet min guys is going to make a difference?

At this point I rather invest time and development into the young guys in hope that 1 or 2 of them will become better contributors than the vet min guys this team will attract under Thibs. No one is going to want to come here for the vet min for the possibility that they crack Thibs' rotation. My only issue with playing the young guys now is that I don't see Thibs as a true developmental coach.

Every time we say the team is out of options they bring someone in we never thought they could. So I'll wait and see if they can do it again.

If you think the kids have some high potential that will never be developed here all I can say is that has not been proven true yet under Thibs. IQ, RJ, Deuce have developed to their potential here. But like Sham said you may keep hoping these new guys turn into great players too. with a brand new coach that will save them

I'm not saying the kids have high potential but guys like Shamet, Payne, Precious and Sims aren't exactly a high bar to clear imo. You want to keep Thibs and continue what we are doing but you say we need better players? Ok. Give me an example of a better player that would take the Knicks to true contender status with Thibs as a coach and tell me how the Knicks will acquire that player.

[Gravy]

This is hilarious, coming in here to talk about the bench when the starters had a 68.0 ORTG in the first half is wild. The game was lost in the first half when we managed to score 43 points. The starters got blasted, but you want to blame the bench because then you don't have to blame your lord Tom.

OG and Mikal have apparently slammed into a wall, but that's somehow the benches fault, not the ridiculous amount of minutes they played last month

I was told OG and Mikal did not need to play that many minutes because the bench was good. Maybe the next coach will go out there and hit some shots/play defense for the bench so OG and Mikal can rest more. Dadiet, Kolek and Hukporti would already be stars too under this next great coach. Cant wait to get him.

Making up arguments just to defend Thibs, you may as well call that man Daddy with how hard you're going for him. The damage is already done to those two, Mikal averaged 41mpg from December until maybe 2 games ago. The starters got annihilated, the two wings were 2-17 and couldn't guard anyone, that is obviously the bench's fault, it's also the bench's fault the starting 5 can't shoot threes anymore. It's the bench' fault that our defensive scheme on threes is horrific and almost always leads to 1-2 passes away from an open shot for the opponents.


In 2018, Jimmy Butler literally sat out the all-star game cause he was tired, that was obviously the bench's fault

Yall told me Shamet, Payne and the kids were good enough to play so Mikal did not need all those minutes. But its all Thibs fault they get blown out by Isaiah Joe.

I cant wait for the next coach who will be our Steve Kerr. He will keep everyone under 30 minutes, no one will get injured or tired or sick, all the kids will be stars and play more than the vets, the price of eggs and gas will be a dollar, our offense and defense will be modern and #1, we'll have the best 3pt defense too. The next administration will definitely keep all these promises right?

[NiceLikeChrist]

This team has issues that are beyond Thibs

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It will be a moment of clarity when everyone realizes the ego he is talking about is thibs and his ridiculous stubbornness and unwillingness to change and adapt

[NiceLikeChrist]

If only we signed Russ…

[Clyde_Style]

during the winning streak, i was seeing oh so beautiful ball movement. Very different from the stagnancy during these losses

what the hell is going over there?

Their batteries are depleted. Off ball movement like that for 40 minutes wasn't sustainable.

[spree2kawhi]

I was told OG and Mikal did not need to play that many minutes because the bench was good. Maybe the next coach will go out there and hit some shots/play defense for the bench so OG and Mikal can rest more. Dadiet, Kolek and Hukporti would already be stars too under this next great coach. Cant wait to get him.

Making up arguments just to defend Thibs, you may as well call that man Daddy with how hard you're going for him. The damage is already done to those two, Mikal averaged 41mpg from December until maybe 2 games ago. The starters got annihilated, the two wings were 2-17 and couldn't guard anyone, that is obviously the bench's fault, it's also the bench's fault the starting 5 can't shoot threes anymore. It's the bench' fault that our defensive scheme on threes is horrific and almost always leads to 1-2 passes away from an open shot for the opponents.


In 2018, Jimmy Butler literally sat out the all-star game cause he was tired, that was obviously the bench's fault

Yall told me Shamet, Payne and the kids were good enough to play so Mikal did not need all those minutes. But its all Thibs fault they get blown out by Isaiah Joe.

I cant wait for the next coach who will be our Steve Kerr. He will keep everyone under 30 minutes, no one will get injured or tired or sick, all the kids will be stars and play more than the vets, the price of eggs and gas will be a dollar, our offense and defense will be modern and #1, we'll have the best 3pt defense too. The next administration will definitely keep all these promises right?

Last time it was Aaron Wiggins. We should beat that team. Yet, from what I’ve seen, I’m afraid we’re going to lose again on Sunday.

[Gravy]

How do we get better players without any real assets? The core of the team doesn't have a ton of untapped potential. Thibs definitely doesn't have any untapped potential. Is your solution to just keep Thibs around and continue what we are doing? If the Paynes and Shamets of the world are not enough do you think adding more vet min guys is going to make a difference?

At this point I rather invest time and development into the young guys in hope that 1 or 2 of them will become better contributors than the vet min guys this team will attract under Thibs. No one is going to want to come here for the vet min for the possibility that they crack Thibs' rotation. My only issue with playing the young guys now is that I don't see Thibs as a true developmental coach.

Every time we say the team is out of options they bring someone in we never thought they could. So I'll wait and see if they can do it again.

If you think the kids have some high potential that will never be developed here all I can say is that has not been proven true yet under Thibs. IQ, RJ, Deuce have developed to their potential here. But like Sham said you may keep hoping these new guys turn into great players too. with a brand new coach that will save them

I'm not saying the kids have high potential but guys like Shamet, Payne, Precious and Sims aren't exactly a high bar to clear imo. You want to keep Thibs and continue what we are doing but you say we need better players? Ok. Give me an example of a better player that would take the Knicks to true contender status with Thibs as a coach and tell me how the Knicks will acquire that player.

I dont even know how we got the players we have now lol. Thats why I dont do trades and transactions. If you believe Atkinson or anyone except Thibs would have us with the same record as the Cavs, ok, I cant really prove or disprove that. I've noticed in the last 20 years of Knicksdom we always blame the coach first then years later after he's fired we realize the players he had were actually not that good. Happens every time

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I was told OG and Mikal did not need to play that many minutes because the bench was good. Maybe the next coach will go out there and hit some shots/play defense for the bench so OG and Mikal can rest more. Dadiet, Kolek and Hukporti would already be stars too under this next great coach. Cant wait to get him.

Making up arguments just to defend Thibs, you may as well call that man Daddy with how hard you're going for him. The damage is already done to those two, Mikal averaged 41mpg from December until maybe 2 games ago. The starters got annihilated, the two wings were 2-17 and couldn't guard anyone, that is obviously the bench's fault, it's also the bench's fault the starting 5 can't shoot threes anymore. It's the bench' fault that our defensive scheme on threes is horrific and almost always leads to 1-2 passes away from an open shot for the opponents.


In 2018, Jimmy Butler literally sat out the all-star game cause he was tired, that was obviously the bench's fault

Yall told me Shamet?

Who? Everyone keeps saying the bench needs to play regardless, because we want to keep the starters fresh. You keep saying over and over again that random Boogeyman posters are saying we have the 2016 Warriors bench, because you need to misrepresent things just to defend your lord and savior. The starters got destroyed in this game, but that is the bench's fault?


Mikal and OG have dead legs, the team as a whole have dead legs which is why we cannot shoot now. Mikal from November 1st to Jan 1st averaged 40mpg, Jimmy Butler literally asked out of the all-star game because he averaged 37mpg and had tired legs playing for Thibs. You no doubt defended the absurd minutes these guys were playing, and now you're trying your hardest to deflect from the results of doing it.

[GettinitDone]

I know many are misdirecting their anger towards thibs, but really should be focusing on the roster and what’s been different losing 4 of 5. First, brunson no longer taking or making 3’s. His reluctance to shoot or make the 3 has created awful floor spacing, less room for KAT, much worse ball and player movement. Next, OG’s lack of confidence shooting the 3, particularly the corner 3 where he has dominated and lastly KAT who’s been unreal on offense, has been way below average on defense. His lack of shot blocking presence to go along with thibs packing the paint philosophy has made it way to easy for opponents to score. The way this team has been winning is executing an elite offense which prior to 5 games ago, knicks were top 3.

Elite offense against **** teams

We're 0-5 against top 2 teams in both conferences (Celtics, Cavs, Thunder, Rockets), our "elite" offense averaging 103.6ppg (dead last in the L) with a point differential of -15.2ppg (dead last in the L)

[El Poochio]

Bench sucks, Thibs suck. Both can be true at the same time you dont have to pick a side lol

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Bench sucks, Thibs suck. Both can be true at the same time you dont have to pick a side lol

Nobody has ever said the bench is good, that's just a strawman argument these posters use to defend Tom. Everyone says the bench needs to play, regardless of outcome, like the Celtics don't have a good bench at all but they still play more than ours.