BobbieL wrote:Mulhollanddrive wrote:What did we have?
Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson and our picks.
In an alternative timeline with Booker at 26 in his prime we arent banking on finding 19 year olds to be All-Stars. I think we trade 3-4 picks for someone like Trae Young.
Young, Booker, Bridges, Johnson, Ayton and we have 4 out of our next 7 picks.
Results wise who knows if its better or worse, probably somewhat comparable to our past 3 seasons.
Picks wise wed be in much less of a hole.
Context is important though, an old superstar traded for young assets and picks is how we were 2-0 up in NBA finals. So if we say dont do Durant, you dont do Chris Paul either. So we're back under Ryan McDonough in the 2010s and now what. I'd rather have taken big shots and lost than taken none.
Anyway we're all about 10 years older and there are better things to do in life now.
Didn't the Suns give up Oubre Ricky Rubio and TY Jerome, plus a FRP for Chris Paul
The two trades are nowhere close to each other. The trade for Durant was stupid. Now if it had been Cam Jo, Cam Payne, Saric, 5 second rounders (remember Jae Crowder was worth FIVE second rounders in a trade that the Suns could have done) and maybe two FRPs for Durant - thats fine. But to include Mikal, FOUR first round picks, mutliple pick swaps for a 35 year old Durant was stupid.
Hell in hindsight, the trade to make was Crowder for multiple 2nd round picks, George Hill, Ibaka and Nwosu
Or maybe even Hachimura for Crowder
Suns still should be in the market of trading Booker and Durant
Giving away an FRP for CP was stupid as well. Just the facts: he was only willing to come here (!!!) he pretty much only made sense here, OKC has
gotten a pick the year before that to take him off of Houston!!! How does this work? One year the taker needs a pick to take him, the next year the taker has to give a pick, even though he does not want to be there? Even if he says publicly he only wants to be here? Someone explain me this, becouse I never seen anything like it. If Jones says we aint giving a pick (or maybe a second, just to have some goodwill or whatever) what would have happened? OKC says no and sticks to CP who doesn't want to be there and lose him in a year for nothing?!?!? FFS...
The rest spot on, especially with the Crowder inclusion, and all those picks and swaps. 3 picks and 1 swap maybe, and no Crowder, we ship him out for the picks in a seperate deal thankyouverymuch. Otherwise what would have happened? Nets hold on to Durant who does not want to be there and lose him for nothing down the line? FFS...
Reality is: if you trade with JJ you can bend him over the barrel, and he will come back for more - that is why we are in this situation. If we had a bit more competent GM, in reality we should have another 4-5 picks left (1sts and 2nds alltogether) in the same timeframe when we do not have any picks now (only 2-3 seconds until 2031 iirc, but thats not even that important, the context is).
I think JJ got a bit too much credit on this forum for doing the obvious on the back of his "inherited" core of players and picks, while always overpaying in the next "obvious" or "can't really do anything else that would make any more sense" move.
You have a young team with no leader and Rubio is an FA? You get Rubio. Was that rocket science? (while TJ was given away in a disgusting move, only a half year after Orlando would have traded Aaron Gordon for him... maybe revisit this before you give away TJ to Indiana who DID NOT BELIEVE the offer at first? This is all documented!!!) I could go on and on with every single one of his moves... disgusting is really what it is
