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Hey Wiz fans, Just wanted to know if in an expansion draft what 8 players are you protecting? Remember 1 player must be unprotected from the draft and player/team options can also be protected. Thanks guys. Also what would you be willing to give up to protect one of your players from not being selected.
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1). Sarr
2). Bilal
3). Carrington
4). George
5). Poole
6). Champenie
7). Kispert
8). Butler
2). Bilal
3). Carrington
4). George
5). Poole
6). Champenie
7). Kispert
8). Butler
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I doubt they would do this but if you see Jordan Poole still has negative value because of his contract they might not protect him but Saddiq Bey for instance. Since they need someone to score and pay they probably would protect Poole though.
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I would absolutely protect:
Bilal
Sarr
Carrington
George
The other 4 guys would require some deliberation.
We have 2 two-way guys who look good enough to stick around the league for a long time and it would be nice to hold onto their Bird Rights, but the fact is, they are soon-to-be free agents who will get paid a market salary, so if we lose them, it's not really that big of a blow. Those guys are:
Butler
Champagnie
Finally, we have 5 useful veterans who are under contract of varying talent and cost. They are:
Kispert - 4 years $54M
Valanciunas - 2 years $20.4M
Bey - 2 years $12.5M
Poole - 2 years $66M
Kuzma - 2 years $41M
My guess is that JV, Bey and Kuzma probably still have positive trade value at their contract price, so it probably makes sense to protect them. Kispert and Poole probably have no trade value so it wouldn't make a ton of sense to protect them.
So I'd protect, in the following order of priority:
1. Bilal
2. Sarr
3. Carrington
4. George
5. Kuzma
6. Valanciunas
7. Bey
8. Butler
9. Champagnie
10. Kispert
11. Poole
I listed 9 through 11 because I think it's likely that we move Kuzma and/or Valanciunas before the end of the season, meaning we would have the ability to protect other guys further down the priority list.
Bilal
Sarr
Carrington
George
The other 4 guys would require some deliberation.
We have 2 two-way guys who look good enough to stick around the league for a long time and it would be nice to hold onto their Bird Rights, but the fact is, they are soon-to-be free agents who will get paid a market salary, so if we lose them, it's not really that big of a blow. Those guys are:
Butler
Champagnie
Finally, we have 5 useful veterans who are under contract of varying talent and cost. They are:
Kispert - 4 years $54M
Valanciunas - 2 years $20.4M
Bey - 2 years $12.5M
Poole - 2 years $66M
Kuzma - 2 years $41M
My guess is that JV, Bey and Kuzma probably still have positive trade value at their contract price, so it probably makes sense to protect them. Kispert and Poole probably have no trade value so it wouldn't make a ton of sense to protect them.
So I'd protect, in the following order of priority:
1. Bilal
2. Sarr
3. Carrington
4. George
5. Kuzma
6. Valanciunas
7. Bey
8. Butler
9. Champagnie
10. Kispert
11. Poole
I listed 9 through 11 because I think it's likely that we move Kuzma and/or Valanciunas before the end of the season, meaning we would have the ability to protect other guys further down the priority list.
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I'd hope someone took Kuz off our hands. He's a below average player who is old
enough to not generate expectations that he is going to be above average any time soon.
enough to not generate expectations that he is going to be above average any time soon.
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So in this order
Sar
Bilal
Bub
George
Champine
Butler
Bey
T.Vuk
If they are on a 2 way you can convert and protect them.
Everyone else is on a one year deal and wouldn't be protectable and for Poole and kuz you dare them to take those guys off your books same with kispert.
Look around the league and who's gonna be left unprotected you have a good chance to get off of those contracts
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Sar
Bilal
Bub
George
Champine
Butler
Bey
T.Vuk
If they are on a 2 way you can convert and protect them.
Everyone else is on a one year deal and wouldn't be protectable and for Poole and kuz you dare them to take those guys off your books same with kispert.
Look around the league and who's gonna be left unprotected you have a good chance to get off of those contracts
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This is not much of a puzzle for us. We only have 9 guys under contract for next year:
Poole
Kuzma
Kispert
Bey
Valanciunas
Bilal
Sarr
Carrington
George
Plus, common sense indicates that we should hold on to Butler & Champagnie, both of whom are young, quite productive, & seem to be on an upward growth pattern.
So that's 11.
I would leave Poole, Kispert, & Kuzma unprotected. If someone were to make a convincing argument for protecting one of them, I would substitute Bey.
Poole is in his 6th year. He's not a good player except in occasional spurts. I'd be delighted if someone grabbed him!
Kuz is in his 8th year. He's not a good player except in occasional spurts. His trade value is falling in a hurry: cut your losses.
Neither Kispert nor Bey are particularly good. I'd rather have the roster spots.
Poole
Kuzma
Kispert
Bey
Valanciunas
Bilal
Sarr
Carrington
George
Plus, common sense indicates that we should hold on to Butler & Champagnie, both of whom are young, quite productive, & seem to be on an upward growth pattern.
So that's 11.
I would leave Poole, Kispert, & Kuzma unprotected. If someone were to make a convincing argument for protecting one of them, I would substitute Bey.
Poole is in his 6th year. He's not a good player except in occasional spurts. I'd be delighted if someone grabbed him!
Kuz is in his 8th year. He's not a good player except in occasional spurts. His trade value is falling in a hurry: cut your losses.
Neither Kispert nor Bey are particularly good. I'd rather have the roster spots.
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In previous years, expansion rules were that every team loses 1 player. If those are the rules going into the next expansion, the Wizards should absolutely not sign any players. The only players they should make available are Kyle Kuzma and Jordan Poole.
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If expansion does happen soon, the wizards and the posters on this board will need to reconsider how they evaluate players. Players dismissed as being defensive liabilities, or as good regular season players but liable to be played off the floor in the playoffs, will soon be not quite the detriments to the team that they are currently thought to be. Also, players thought to be at the end of their careers will suddenly have a few more good seasons in them.
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Yeah the wiz have an easy one here. With
Sar
Bilal
Bub
George
Champine
Butler
Being absolute keepers.
Bey
T.Vuk
Are my picks for the last spots
Bey is generally or has been in the past better than kispert. And kispert is more expensive so let him be on the block
JV is 32
Kuz is pushing 30
And Poole is over paid by about 10+ mill you take your chances
Depending on the rules and how many teams are out into the league we'll see what happens. Right now there are 2 pretty much locks Seattle and LV. with Mexico, Montreal, Vancouver, Louisville, KC, Pitt being in the running.
Letting say they do 8 teams. Go big that's 120 players you need. Including 2 way guys there are about 540 players in the league at a time.
Protect 8 on each team that leaves 300 players available. Some of those are gonna be free agents so let's cu that number in half. 150. So they either say no limits on a number of players a team can loose or they will say evrr team looses at least 1. Idk
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Sar
Bilal
Bub
George
Champine
Butler
Being absolute keepers.
Bey
T.Vuk
Are my picks for the last spots
Bey is generally or has been in the past better than kispert. And kispert is more expensive so let him be on the block
JV is 32
Kuz is pushing 30
And Poole is over paid by about 10+ mill you take your chances
Depending on the rules and how many teams are out into the league we'll see what happens. Right now there are 2 pretty much locks Seattle and LV. with Mexico, Montreal, Vancouver, Louisville, KC, Pitt being in the running.
Letting say they do 8 teams. Go big that's 120 players you need. Including 2 way guys there are about 540 players in the league at a time.
Protect 8 on each team that leaves 300 players available. Some of those are gonna be free agents so let's cu that number in half. 150. So they either say no limits on a number of players a team can loose or they will say evrr team looses at least 1. Idk
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Confirm that we have 4 keepers:
Sarr
Coulibaly
Carrington
George
JV has been good and is cheap, significantly cheaper than any of our other vets. Kispert is a very limited player but he can shoot and is signed at a reasonable number so I'd keep him. That's 6.
Our two-ways aren't under contract for us for next year and don't count against our roster I think. Brogdon's expiring already
Kuzma makes a pretty high salary though his contract is descending; he scored a lot but inefficiently with meh defense the last few years, this year he's been awful. Poole was arguably the worst player in the NBA last year and has a big contract. I'm fine letting either or both go. Bey was signed but has been injured and during his career, he's been JAG. Holmes is overpaid for a bottom of the bench guy and not guaranteed, bye. We didn't pick up the options on Davis or PBJ and they are gone. Gill is a practice pony. No idea what's going on with Vukevic, he looked like a project in very limited minutes then this year can't seem to play even for the Go-Gos.
Let everyone else go, keep the 4 youngsters, JV, and Kispert, of the 3 remaining rotation guys, I'd let Bey go. If I'm wrong about their contracts, then I'd keep Butler and Champagnie, and let all three of Kuzma, Poole, and Bey take their chances.
Sarr
Coulibaly
Carrington
George
JV has been good and is cheap, significantly cheaper than any of our other vets. Kispert is a very limited player but he can shoot and is signed at a reasonable number so I'd keep him. That's 6.
Our two-ways aren't under contract for us for next year and don't count against our roster I think. Brogdon's expiring already
Kuzma makes a pretty high salary though his contract is descending; he scored a lot but inefficiently with meh defense the last few years, this year he's been awful. Poole was arguably the worst player in the NBA last year and has a big contract. I'm fine letting either or both go. Bey was signed but has been injured and during his career, he's been JAG. Holmes is overpaid for a bottom of the bench guy and not guaranteed, bye. We didn't pick up the options on Davis or PBJ and they are gone. Gill is a practice pony. No idea what's going on with Vukevic, he looked like a project in very limited minutes then this year can't seem to play even for the Go-Gos.
Let everyone else go, keep the 4 youngsters, JV, and Kispert, of the 3 remaining rotation guys, I'd let Bey go. If I'm wrong about their contracts, then I'd keep Butler and Champagnie, and let all three of Kuzma, Poole, and Bey take their chances.
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penbeast0 wrote:Our two-ways aren't under contract for us for next year and don't count against our roster I think. Brogdon's expiring already
Yeah, that was my thinking too. I don't know if we would even have the capacity to protect Butler and Champagnie even if we were so inclined. Maybe we can protect the RFA rights and Bird rights, which means we would be protecting the right to outbid any other suitors. But there's really not much value in that. Nobody is going to be bidding more than MLE money for those guys (and probably not more than vet minimum money) rendering our Bird Rights as basically worthless. And our RFA rights would only be of use to ensure that we resign then to market value contracts, which, by definition have minimal positive value.
In other words: either the rest of the league doesn't recognize their value and wouldn't try to sign them, which means there's no point in protecting them in an expansion draft scenario; or the rest of the league does recognize their value and would sign them to market value contracts, making them no more valuable than any other respectable free agent, which means there's no point in protecting them in an expansion draft scenario.