PG: Knicks vs. Thunder: BELT-TO-ASS GAME

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He played zero defense last season like he is this year

OG been getting cooked lately too, those Thibs miles adding up fast.

But my point is that Mikal has been awful on defense for the past couple of years. That's not thib's fault

We overpaid big time for Mikal. It made way more sense to keep Grimes and let him be our 2 guard for the future. Mikal has done nothing for us besides winning us a christmas game. Im ready to trade him.

They aren't going to trade him, they'll hopefully blame the coach, and Tom didn't like Grimes so I can put that on his jacket as well. He needed his vets off the bench and we got a trash return for Grimes, that's on Tom.

[The KnicksFix]

If you wanted to keep Grimes, he would not develop to what he is now. Thibs had the guy trying to play defense, with corner 3’s. Guys are relegated to their roles in the Thibs system.

[Gravy]

Why would you make up stuff like that Gravy?

Nobody said anything about Kolek being better than Brunson. It is being said Kolek needs minutes and that his more traditional PG skills would be good to have on the floor part of the game. Kolek is already a good player who is far and above the best backup PG on the team. He's a better PG than Payne or Deuce.

People have been telling me nobody thinks the bench is good, but you are saying Kolek is a good player that is far better than Deuce and Payne. Another guy is posting Hukporti clips. Sure man, Thibs is holding these kids back from greatness once again.

Of course Thibs is holding the kids back

Just as he once held Deuce back (I'm sure you're one of the many guys who thought Deuce wasn't an NBA player) and then we traded IQ to Toronto, so all of a sudden Deuce just magically showed the ability to play ball immediately? No he HAD the ability all along but didn't get the mins and TRUST to build confidence needed to play the game.

Just as he held back Divo (before he replaced Grimes in SL with him) and iHart (before Mitch got hurt and he had to start him)

Just as he held back Burks (DNP-CDd him for a month, then when everyone got hurt, he had no choice but to play him, and Burks got loose with a few 20+ pt games)

Look as a head coach you can hold back ANY player, you give a prime Michael Jordan 10 mins combined in 15 games and random consecutive 15 DNP-CDs, he'd look like a **** player too

Wow look at all those players Thibs developed correctly. Great coach! Unfortunately some could not be helped like you and Nodopes all time favorite Cam Reddish who Lakers fans have nicknamed "Scam Rubbish"

[3toheadmelo]

OG been getting cooked lately too, those Thibs miles adding up fast.

But my point is that Mikal has been awful on defense for the past couple of years. That's not thib's fault

We overpaid big time for Mikal. It made way more sense to keep Grimes and let him be our 2 guard for the future. Mikal has done nothing for us besides winning us a christmas game. Im ready to trade him.

They aren't going to trade him, they'll hopefully blame the coach, and Tom didn't like Grimes so I can put that on his jacket as well. He needed his vets off the bench and we got a trash return for Grimes, that's on Tom.

When we fire thibs for a worse coach it's going to start a war you may not be able to win. don't go down this path brother!

[NoDopeOnSundays]

But my point is that Mikal has been awful on defense for the past couple of years. That's not thib's fault

We overpaid big time for Mikal. It made way more sense to keep Grimes and let him be our 2 guard for the future. Mikal has done nothing for us besides winning us a christmas game. Im ready to trade him.

They aren't going to trade him, they'll hopefully blame the coach, and Tom didn't like Grimes so I can put that on his jacket as well. He needed his vets off the bench and we got a trash return for Grimes, that's on Tom.

When we fire thibs for a worse coach it's going to start a war you may not be able to win. don't go down this path brother!

The war is won when he's gone, and that day is coming quickly. There are good coaches out there, we don't need a dinosaur, coaching is a young man's game now. It only makes sense that Monty Williams and Thibs didn't see the value of Grimes, one of them is gone now and the other's day will soon come.

Win or lose, I don't retreat like sham.

[Kampuchea]

:lol:

Clyde here doing a book signing I just walked by him, wearing some wild suit as usual. Some animal print

Winning and Grinning book, he’s at American Dream in NJ

I’m gonna ask him about these realgm minutes police

[Buttah304]

I do believe the fanbase is suffering from the sky is falling epidemic.

While I will fully acknowledge the minutes are a legitimate concern, and the more than likely outcome is us limping into the playoffs, I’m trying to look bigger picture.

Sports journalists are truly pathetic. For the last two seasons all I heard on the radio, on air, and on podcasts was that the Cavs were pretenders, not tough, ill fitting and that a shake to the core was needed.

Now those very same people are Mia Khalifling them on a regular basis with every other statement being “historical.”

Is it possible, and hear me out, that Allen-Mobley-Garland-Spida playing together for 117 games has helped? Or what about their initial core of Allen-Mobley-Garland having played 157 games together, nearly two full seasons.

It’s not just that. The roster construction is a culmination of the last few years. Dean Wade was undrafted and they recently signed him for 3/18. Sam Merril was pick #60 by NO, added/dropped by MIL and scooped up by the Cavs for 3/5. Okoro, who never panned out as a top 5 pick, was still a young defensive wing developing a 3 and he got 3/32. They wanted more shooting got Strus 4/62 and Niang 3/25. Ty Jerome was shown the door by OKC, Pheonix and GS. Cavs thought they found something and gave him 2/5.

The point is, this has been a culmination of adding talent, player development, taking chances, and their core getting more experience for the past three seasons.

This Knicks SL has played 37 games together. The core had a huge shakeup in general. I understand it’s NY and when the ugliness shows it’s the coaching staff, players, medical team, cleaning crew, concession crew and Dolans fault.

Think everyone should get a little drunk tonight it’s Saturday.

[Context]

:lol:

Clyde here doing a book signing I just walked by him, wearing some wild suit as usual. Some animal print

Winning and Grinning book, he’s at American Dream in NJ

I’m gonna ask him about these realgm minutes police

I dare you!

[Rooster8]

I do believe the fanbase is suffering from the sky is falling epidemic.

While I will fully acknowledge the minutes are a legitimate concern, and the more than likely outcome is us limping into the playoffs, I’m trying to look bigger picture.

Sports journalists are truly pathetic. For the last two seasons all I heard on the radio, on air, and on podcasts was that the Cavs were pretenders, not tough, ill fitting and that a shake to the core was needed.

Now those very same people are Mia Khalifling them on a regular basis with every other statement being “historical.”

Is it possible, and hear me out, that Allen-Mobley-Garland-Spida playing together for 117 games has helped? Or what about their initial core of Allen-Mobley-Garland having played 157 games together, nearly two full seasons.

It’s not just that. The roster construction is a culmination of the last few years. Dean Wade was undrafted and they recently signed him for 3/18. Sam Merril was pick #60 by NO, added/dropped by MIL and scooped up by the Cavs for 3/5. Okoro, who never panned out as a top 5 pick, was still a young defensive wing developing a 3 and he got 3/32. They wanted more shooting got Strus 4/62 and Niang 3/25. Ty Jerome was shown the door by OKC, Pheonix and GS. Cavs thought they found something and gave him 2/5.

The point is, this has been a culmination of adding talent, player development, taking chances, and their core getting more experience for the past three seasons.

This Knicks SL has played 37 games together. The core had a huge shakeup in general. I understand it’s NY and when the ugliness shows it’s the coaching staff, players, medical team, cleaning crew, concession crew and Dolans fault.

Think everyone should get a little drunk tonight it’s Saturday.

Well said, and I agree. Everyone needs to calm down a bit.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I do believe the fanbase is suffering from the sky is falling epidemic.

While I will fully acknowledge the minutes are a legitimate concern, and the more than likely outcome is us limping into the playoffs, I’m trying to look bigger picture.

Sports journalists are truly pathetic. For the last two seasons all I heard on the radio, on air, and on podcasts was that the Cavs were pretenders, not tough, ill fitting and that a shake to the core was needed.

Now those very same people are Mia Khalifling them on a regular basis with every other statement being “historical.”

Is it possible, and hear me out, that Allen-Mobley-Garland-Spida playing together for 117 games has helped? Or what about their initial core of Allen-Mobley-Garland having played 157 games together, nearly two full seasons.

It’s not just that. The roster construction is a culmination of the last few years. Dean Wade was undrafted and they recently signed him for 3/18. Sam Merril was pick #60 by NO, added/dropped by MIL and scooped up by the Cavs for 3/5. Okoro, who never panned out as a top 5 pick, was still a young defensive wing developing a 3 and he got 3/32. They wanted more shooting got Strus 4/62 and Niang 3/25. Ty Jerome was shown the door by OKC, Pheonix and GS. Cavs thought they found something and gave him 2/5.

The point is, this has been a culmination of adding talent, player development, taking chances, and their core getting more experience for the past three seasons.

This Knicks SL has played 37 games together. The core had a huge shakeup in general. I understand it’s NY and when the ugliness shows it’s the coaching staff, players, medical team, cleaning crew, concession crew and Dolans fault.

Think everyone should get a little drunk tonight it’s Saturday.

The Cavs also fired the coach that helped turn things around, they weren't afraid to move on when they had to. And the funny part is Bickerstaff has turned the Pistons around.

[DaGawd]

I do believe the fanbase is suffering from the sky is falling epidemic.

While I will fully acknowledge the minutes are a legitimate concern, and the more than likely outcome is us limping into the playoffs, I’m trying to look bigger picture.

Sports journalists are truly pathetic. For the last two seasons all I heard on the radio, on air, and on podcasts was that the Cavs were pretenders, not tough, ill fitting and that a shake to the core was needed.

Now those very same people are Mia Khalifling them on a regular basis with every other statement being “historical.”

Is it possible, and hear me out, that Allen-Mobley-Garland-Spida playing together for 117 games has helped? Or what about their initial core of Allen-Mobley-Garland having played 157 games together, nearly two full seasons.

It’s not just that. The roster construction is a culmination of the last few years. Dean Wade was undrafted and they recently signed him for 3/18. Sam Merril was pick #60 by NO, added/dropped by MIL and scooped up by the Cavs for 3/5. Okoro, who never panned out as a top 5 pick, was still a young defensive wing developing a 3 and he got 3/32. They wanted more shooting got Strus 4/62 and Niang 3/25. Ty Jerome was shown the door by OKC, Pheonix and GS. Cavs thought they found something and gave him 2/5.

The point is, this has been a culmination of adding talent, player development, taking chances, and their core getting more experience for the past three seasons.

This Knicks SL has played 37 games together. The core had a huge shakeup in general. I understand it’s NY and when the ugliness shows it’s the coaching staff, players, medical team, cleaning crew, concession crew and Dolans fault.

Think everyone should get a little drunk tonight it’s Saturday.

The Cavs also fired the coach that helped turn things around, they weren't afraid to move on when they had to. And the funny part is Bickerstaff has turned the Pistons around.

i think a lot of the staunch thibs backers are afraid of moving on because of the terrible luck we’ve had with coaches before he got here which is totally understandable. hell i was the same way for awhile before this szn, but there comes a time when you gotta recognize the pattern and peep the signs that it might be time to pivot

[sol537]

1) I could see a KAT + Hart for Giannis + Portis in the off-season if Giannis finally asks out.
2) I could see Thibs being shown the door in the off-season and getting replaced by Dan Hurley.

I'll continue to wait patiently for this team to become a true contender. We're almost there...

[8516knicks]

You all are focusing on thibs when Mikal has been trash on defense and his 3 ball is gone

Read on Twitter

Mikal shot 43% from 3s in January and the last 4 games are 3-30. The last 2 games overall are 4 for 27. It's OBVIOUS it's not the guy's talent. Could it be, oh I don't know, THE COACHING?

And Julius Randle is doing his version of Brooklyn in Minny now - only 7 Rebounds per game. What up with that, eh? Maybe THAT's who HE is?

[GettinitDone]

People have been telling me nobody thinks the bench is good, but you are saying Kolek is a good player that is far better than Deuce and Payne. Another guy is posting Hukporti clips. Sure man, Thibs is holding these kids back from greatness once again.

Of course Thibs is holding the kids back

Just as he once held Deuce back (I'm sure you're one of the many guys who thought Deuce wasn't an NBA player) and then we traded IQ to Toronto, so all of a sudden Deuce just magically showed the ability to play ball immediately? No he HAD the ability all along but didn't get the mins and TRUST to build confidence needed to play the game.

Just as he held back Divo (before he replaced Grimes in SL with him) and iHart (before Mitch got hurt and he had to start him)

Just as he held back Burks (DNP-CDd him for a month, then when everyone got hurt, he had no choice but to play him, and Burks got loose with a few 20+ pt games)

Look as a head coach you can hold back ANY player, you give a prime Michael Jordan 10 mins combined in 15 games and random consecutive 15 DNP-CDs, he'd look like a **** player too

Wow look at all those players Thibs developed correctly. Great coach! Unfortunately some could not be helped like you and Nodopes all time favorite Cam Reddish who Lakers fans have nicknamed "Scam Rubbish"

Developed correctly?? He didn't do ****, other than just turned on the mins faucet or off

Your insulting Cam doesn't hurt my feelings I've moved on...

So say if he's 1 out of 4 right on the mins faucet, it's pretty **** judgment then, new year the same person the same **** judgment don't you think

[Jalen Bluntson]

I do believe the fanbase is suffering from the sky is falling epidemic.

While I will fully acknowledge the minutes are a legitimate concern, and the more than likely outcome is us limping into the playoffs, I’m trying to look bigger picture.

Sports journalists are truly pathetic. For the last two seasons all I heard on the radio, on air, and on podcasts was that the Cavs were pretenders, not tough, ill fitting and that a shake to the core was needed.

Now those very same people are Mia Khalifling them on a regular basis with every other statement being “historical.”

Is it possible, and hear me out, that Allen-Mobley-Garland-Spida playing together for 117 games has helped? Or what about their initial core of Allen-Mobley-Garland having played 157 games together, nearly two full seasons.

It’s not just that. The roster construction is a culmination of the last few years. Dean Wade was undrafted and they recently signed him for 3/18. Sam Merril was pick #60 by NO, added/dropped by MIL and scooped up by the Cavs for 3/5. Okoro, who never panned out as a top 5 pick, was still a young defensive wing developing a 3 and he got 3/32. They wanted more shooting got Strus 4/62 and Niang 3/25. Ty Jerome was shown the door by OKC, Pheonix and GS. Cavs thought they found something and gave him 2/5.

The point is, this has been a culmination of adding talent, player development, taking chances, and their core getting more experience for the past three seasons.

This Knicks SL has played 37 games together. The core had a huge shakeup in general. I understand it’s NY and when the ugliness shows it’s the coaching staff, players, medical team, cleaning crew, concession crew and Dolans fault.

Think everyone should get a little drunk tonight it’s Saturday.

The Cavs also fired the coach that helped turn things around, they weren't afraid to move on when they had to. And the funny part is Bickerstaff has turned the Pistons around.

I agree with the OP about the Cavs and I also agree the coach has them playing better than the last one. People are getting a little too crazy about things at this early stage in the project. The fever of winning is getting a little too much for some people. Every team we are chasing for the title has been together for years. Every one of them. We have been together 2.5 months. The excitement obscured the reality of the situation. Things take time. The New York minute isn't how it works either. People talking about Mikal's shot before the first game of the season. Trashing basically every player for not playing up to par while we are still building chemistry. Even Thibs has gotten a little excessive hate. From myself as well. The bench hate is ridiculous because we haven't had one at all this season. Neither has Thibs.

I agree about Thibs flaws 100% but, I had to take a step back and realize that this is all still brand new and, getting caught up in the winning was way too easy. We need the bench to get healthy. We need more time building chemistry up and down the roster. This probably isn't the season we really contend for the title. It would be pretty rare for a team in our situation to just sweep in and win it all. The patience I was preaching at the beginning of the season kind of got lost in the sauce. The OP isn't wrong

Thibs isn't going anywhere unless things go way south and the team falls apart. So while some of us have doubts/complaints about Thibs, we need patience to let things play out. He is gonna get his chance to work with this team and, he does deserve it after helping turn things around here. No matter how much we think he isn't the guy, he is the guy for now. Trying to convince his lawyers anything is like talking to a wall that lies.

[F N 11]

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Not gon lie this is extreme front running by Josh should have never been said just Ike this shouldn’t be posted it’s home team.

[spree2kawhi]

Turning on Mikal now must be part of amateur hour on realgm… didn’t you all just send in apology forms?

[LFGK]

I do believe the fanbase is suffering from the sky is falling epidemic.

While I will fully acknowledge the minutes are a legitimate concern, and the more than likely outcome is us limping into the playoffs, I’m trying to look bigger picture.

Sports journalists are truly pathetic. For the last two seasons all I heard on the radio, on air, and on podcasts was that the Cavs were pretenders, not tough, ill fitting and that a shake to the core was needed.

Now those very same people are Mia Khalifling them on a regular basis with every other statement being “historical.”

Is it possible, and hear me out, that Allen-Mobley-Garland-Spida playing together for 117 games has helped? Or what about their initial core of Allen-Mobley-Garland having played 157 games together, nearly two full seasons.

It’s not just that. The roster construction is a culmination of the last few years. Dean Wade was undrafted and they recently signed him for 3/18. Sam Merril was pick #60 by NO, added/dropped by MIL and scooped up by the Cavs for 3/5. Okoro, who never panned out as a top 5 pick, was still a young defensive wing developing a 3 and he got 3/32. They wanted more shooting got Strus 4/62 and Niang 3/25. Ty Jerome was shown the door by OKC, Pheonix and GS. Cavs thought they found something and gave him 2/5.

The point is, this has been a culmination of adding talent, player development, taking chances, and their core getting more experience for the past three seasons.

This Knicks SL has played 37 games together. The core had a huge shakeup in general. I understand it’s NY and when the ugliness shows it’s the coaching staff, players, medical team, cleaning crew, concession crew and Dolans fault.

Think everyone should get a little drunk tonight it’s Saturday.

So the end is not coming your saying?

Yeah they will be fine, everyone just wants all the pieces and everything to work 30-40 games in. Need Mitch back for about 15 games before the playoffs and all will be fine by the time the playoffs start.

[Adelheid]

I do believe the fanbase is suffering from the sky is falling epidemic.

While I will fully acknowledge the minutes are a legitimate concern, and the more than likely outcome is us limping into the playoffs, I’m trying to look bigger picture.

Sports journalists are truly pathetic. For the last two seasons all I heard on the radio, on air, and on podcasts was that the Cavs were pretenders, not tough, ill fitting and that a shake to the core was needed.

Now those very same people are Mia Khalifling them on a regular basis with every other statement being “historical.”

Is it possible, and hear me out, that Allen-Mobley-Garland-Spida playing together for 117 games has helped? Or what about their initial core of Allen-Mobley-Garland having played 157 games together, nearly two full seasons.

It’s not just that. The roster construction is a culmination of the last few years. Dean Wade was undrafted and they recently signed him for 3/18. Sam Merril was pick #60 by NO, added/dropped by MIL and scooped up by the Cavs for 3/5. Okoro, who never panned out as a top 5 pick, was still a young defensive wing developing a 3 and he got 3/32. They wanted more shooting got Strus 4/62 and Niang 3/25. Ty Jerome was shown the door by OKC, Pheonix and GS. Cavs thought they found something and gave him 2/5.

The point is, this has been a culmination of adding talent, player development, taking chances, and their core getting more experience for the past three seasons.

This Knicks SL has played 37 games together. The core had a huge shakeup in general. I understand it’s NY and when the ugliness shows it’s the coaching staff, players, medical team, cleaning crew, concession crew and Dolans fault.

Think everyone should get a little drunk tonight it’s Saturday.

The Cavs also fired the coach that helped turn things around, they weren't afraid to move on when they had to. And the funny part is Bickerstaff has turned the Pistons around.

i think a lot of the staunch thibs backers are afraid of moving on because of the terrible luck we’ve had with coaches before he got here which is totally understandable. hell i was the same way for awhile before this szn, but there comes a time when you gotta recognize the pattern and peep the signs that it might be time to pivot

I dont blame them tbh for feeling that way towards thibs. thibs picked up the roster that fiz left and produced good results, its scary to switch coaches as you will never know how players on your team respond to the new coach. But there certainly is a time you have to move on to better pastures. They did not spend all these much reaching 2nd apron just to be all bedraggled in the postseason and getting lukewarm results

[GettinitDone]

I do believe the fanbase is suffering from the sky is falling epidemic.

While I will fully acknowledge the minutes are a legitimate concern, and the more than likely outcome is us limping into the playoffs, I’m trying to look bigger picture.

Sports journalists are truly pathetic. For the last two seasons all I heard on the radio, on air, and on podcasts was that the Cavs were pretenders, not tough, ill fitting and that a shake to the core was needed.

Now those very same people are Mia Khalifling them on a regular basis with every other statement being “historical.”

Is it possible, and hear me out, that Allen-Mobley-Garland-Spida playing together for 117 games has helped? Or what about their initial core of Allen-Mobley-Garland having played 157 games together, nearly two full seasons.

It’s not just that. The roster construction is a culmination of the last few years. Dean Wade was undrafted and they recently signed him for 3/18. Sam Merril was pick #60 by NO, added/dropped by MIL and scooped up by the Cavs for 3/5. Okoro, who never panned out as a top 5 pick, was still a young defensive wing developing a 3 and he got 3/32. They wanted more shooting got Strus 4/62 and Niang 3/25. Ty Jerome was shown the door by OKC, Pheonix and GS. Cavs thought they found something and gave him 2/5.

The point is, this has been a culmination of adding talent, player development, taking chances, and their core getting more experience for the past three seasons.

This Knicks SL has played 37 games together. The core had a huge shakeup in general. I understand it’s NY and when the ugliness shows it’s the coaching staff, players, medical team, cleaning crew, concession crew and Dolans fault.

Think everyone should get a little drunk tonight it’s Saturday.

Like NoDope said they moved on to Kenny, who makes sure NONE of his players is in L's top 50 in mpg. The highest mpg is D-Mitch at #80 with 31.4mpg, and there are only 3 Cavs in TOP 100 (Mobley at #95 and Garland #97).

Best record in the L.

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Another case study, OKC (2nd best record in the L) also have only 3 players in TOP 100:
- SGA: #31 with 34.5mpg (only Thunder in the TOP 50)
- JDub: #62 with 32.6mpg
- IHart: #98 with 30.1mppg

Knicks fans everywhere: "The Thunder just looked more fresh in the 4th q than us" duuuuhhhh

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In contrast, the Knicks have 3 guys in L's TOP 7 in mpg (Mikal and Josh at #1 and #2), and ALL STARTERS in TOP 33.

Absurd. Eye opening.

Adding talent, player dev, core getting experience are nice and all, but maybe the key is to run the race using strategies in winning a marathon, and NOT a sprint?