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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#61 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:36 am

bullsaficianado wrote:That's likely why Nurkic is DNP the Suns are looking to trade him and getting a pick or two back to send to Miami.


That'd be great except Nurkic currently doesn't have positive value. And we're likely going to have to attach some 2nds just to trade him at this point considering his struggles and salary commitment. Just moving him before he becomes an expiring will be very difficult and will very likely cost us some assets for sure man. But we're definitely not getting any assets back for him. :-?
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Post#62 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:54 am

Maybe we take a salary dump (not sure who) for Nurkic to get a pick and thrn attach with Beal.
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Post#63 » by mkot » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:45 am

bullsaficianado wrote:This actually works in ESPN trade machine:
Denver out: Nnaji, Porter Jr., Cancar
Phoenix out: Beal, 2031 1st (to Miami)
Miami out: Butler

Miami in: Nnaji, Porter Jr., Cancar, 2031 1st from PHX
Phoenix in: Butler
Denver in: Beal

Of course sending Beal to Denver could come back to bite us in the ass.


I think Denver FO had already came out and said they are not moving MPJ
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#64 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:46 am

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Looks like Beal is beginning to accept this role. And the vibes are improving between everyone! Not sure he'll accept going to Miami or Denver if he's getting along with the team and the vibes are good! We should probably just keep Beal, have him continue coming off the bench, and just look to shore up our center position with trades, and flip our least-used players for more 2nds. :nod:


If Denver wanted Beal I doubt he passes up being able to play with Jokic.


Possibly! But at that point, I'd much rather just let Miami keep Butler or trade him elsewhere this summer and just take Porter Jr (and fillers- Westbrook/Saric/??) ourselves for the cost of our 31' 1st (but only with top 5 protection on it). Or just keeping Beal and the very few assets that we have left and then reassessing things this summer. Butler at this stage of his career is simply not worth giving up our 2031' 1st and Dunn who's proven (as a freaking rookie!) to be very, very good. Maybe even a steal and critical core piece for us. Even the proposition of overpaying for two aging stars in their late 30s and tying up well over 100 million of our cap just to maybe be incrementally better is insanely idiotic.

And I say that if KD intends to hold our franchise hostage by not extending unless we add Butler (destroying what's left of our future to do so). Then I say let's trade his azz too this summer and either retool our roster around Booker or go all in on our rebuild and trade Bookr too for the best available deal!
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eal really has nothing to complain about! We're talking about maybe 2 minutes less.

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Post#67 » by Mr Puddles » Sun Jan 12, 2025 5:41 am

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Finally a trade rumor worth getting excited about!

Enough with these rumors about the Suns giving up more youth to be able to overpay for Jimmy Butler contract extension.

Richards would be a great trade for us that will make the Suns better and younger.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#68 » by Slim Charless » Sun Jan 12, 2025 5:45 am

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Finally a trade rumor worth getting excited about!

Enough with these rumors about the Suns giving up more youth to be able to overpay for Jimmy Butler contract extension.

Richards would be a great trade for us that will make the Suns better and younger.


Can we get them to toss in either Micic or Mann?
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Post#69 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:09 am

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Post#70 » by Slim Charless » Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:13 am

I like how we have to pay to get off of Ayton (in the form Camara) in order to get Nurk, then we now have to pay again to get off of Nurk.

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Post#71 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:19 am

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Post#74 » by bullsaficianado » Sun Jan 12, 2025 7:16 am

I hope they pull the deal off Nurkic for Richards and whatever else is included.
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Post#75 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 12, 2025 8:07 am

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Finally a trade rumor worth getting excited about!

Enough with these rumors about the Suns giving up more youth to be able to overpay for Jimmy Butler contract extension.

Richards would be a great trade for us that will make the Suns better and younger.


Can we get them to toss in either Micic or Mann?


I'm kinda hoping for it to be Grant Williams coming back with Nurkic so we could flip him to another team for a wing and another piece? maybe another 2nd or two? For example, two trades that I like:

1- LA Clippers. G Williams for D Jones Jr/ Mo Bamba?
2- Atlanta. (They need defense) G Williams/2 2nds for Nance Jr.
3- Memphis. G Williams for Kennard (expiring) and Vince Williams Jr?? Or maybe we trade Tyus (for a 1st) and then do G Williams + 1st for Brandon Clarke?
4- Orlando (for the 2nds) G Williams for Hariss/ Howard/ DEN 25' 2nd (Top 5 protected)/ 25' 2nd (via BOS or MEM).
5- OKC. G Williams for K Williams/ Dieng/ 26' 2nd via DAL or PHI/ 28' 2nd via UTA.

Did I miss anybody man?? :dontknow:
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#76 » by bullsaficianado » Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:07 am

Would be odd if the Nurkic trade happened today with the two teams playing eachother.
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Post#77 » by mkot » Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:23 am

bullsaficianado wrote:Would be odd if the Nurkic trade happened today with the two teams playing eachother.


I think that's perfect :D
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Post#78 » by King4Day » Sun Jan 12, 2025 3:46 pm

Here's some info to take into consideration with a possible Nick Richards trade:

Looking at the trade machine, it appears we would have to take back an additional 11+mil for the Nurk/Richards deal to work.

Meaning the only way to make it happen legally is to also take back Grant WIlliams or Josh Green (about 13 mil each). No other players can make it work outside of Miller who obviously they are not trading.
However, you could replace them with Micic and Mann but it would mean we'd have to cut someone (Lee? Mason?). It would also mean Charlotte is open to it.

- Williams would save us about 100k
- Green would save us around 500k

They both have 3 years left on their deals (including this season).
Both contracts are fully guaranteed.

- Micic & Mann would save us around 500k but give us better future financial flexibility (I don't see Charlotte having interest in this but am just tossing it out there as it's something that works under the 2nd apron rules)

So if we do it, we're basically acquiring Richards, knowing we'll be adding an extra player who will be under contract for an additional 2 seasons (whereas Nurk is just 1 more year).

My guess here is, they are fighting over which player to give up.

Grant Williams seems like the obvious pick to throw in, but keep the following in mind:

However, the road to recovery will be a lengthy one. Ordinarily, a torn ACL would require about nine months to recover. With the other torn ligaments, the recovery time could be even longer. Williams is not expected to be back until at least next season, but he might be out for the first portion of the year.

https://www.si.com/nba/hornets/news/charlotte-hornets-grant-williams-surgery-successful


While Williams is the better player, we maybe only get 1.5 years out of him, where Green we could get the full 2.5. But I'm not sure he's that good.
Tough situation.

I think the Suns are haggling over giving up picks. Basically saying, "Sure we get the best player in the deal, but we're taking back an extra year of a bad contract".
I think the Suns are trying to keep it to one 2nd rounder while Charlotte wants more.
If this deal goes down, I expect it to take until the deadline while the Hornets wait for better offers.
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Post#79 » by Saberestar » Sun Jan 12, 2025 5:50 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II 

Post#80 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Jan 12, 2025 5:51 pm

King4Day wrote:Here's some info to take into consideration with a possible Nick Richards trade:

Looking at the trade machine, it appears we would have to take back an additional 11+mil for the Nurk/Richards deal to work.

Meaning the only way to make it happen legally is to also take back Grant WIlliams or Josh Green (about 13 mil each). No other players can make it work outside of Miller who obviously they are not trading.
However, you could replace them with Micic and Mann but it would mean we'd have to cut someone (Lee? Mason?). It would also mean Charlotte is open to it.

- Williams would save us about 100k
- Green would save us around 500k

They both have 3 years left on their deals (including this season).
Both contracts are fully guaranteed.

- Micic & Mann would save us around 500k but give us better future financial flexibility (I don't see Charlotte having interest in this but am just tossing it out there as it's something that works under the 2nd apron rules)

So if we do it, we're basically acquiring Richards, knowing we'll be adding an extra player who will be under contract for an additional 2 seasons (whereas Nurk is just 1 more year).

My guess here is, they are fighting over which player to give up.

Grant Williams seems like the obvious pick to throw in, but keep the following in mind:

However, the road to recovery will be a lengthy one. Ordinarily, a torn ACL would require about nine months to recover. With the other torn ligaments, the recovery time could be even longer. Williams is not expected to be back until at least next season, but he might be out for the first portion of the year.

https://www.si.com/nba/hornets/news/charlotte-hornets-grant-williams-surgery-successful


While Williams is the better player, we maybe only get 1.5 years out of him, where Green we could get the full 2.5. But I'm not sure he's that good.
Tough situation.

I think the Suns are haggling over giving up picks. Basically saying, "Sure we get the best player in the deal, but we're taking back an extra year of a bad contract".
I think the Suns are trying to keep it to one 2nd rounder while Charlotte wants more.
If this deal goes down, I expect it to take until the deadline while the Hornets wait for better offers.


Excellent observations and points made man! I wasn't aware of G Williams injury situation. It'd be nice if they'd put a notice attached somehow to indicate this consideration on the salary and trade platforms. It would help to determine value more accurately.

Anyways, what your having people consider is likely the exact factors involved holding this situation up. If it becomes this big of a deal in getting Richards, I'd strongly suggest just switching the framework to Okogie ( at only 8.2 million) for Richards and filler. And then again move Nurkic in the Washington trade for Valuncias and Davis. Having to maybe attach one or two 2nds at most??

Also being able to accomplish this by trading some bench players: Jones, Plumlee, Bol, D Lee for a late first ( Jones value) or a 2nd or two ( Plumlees' current value), or a singular 2nd ( Bols' and possibly D Lee's value)??

Moving them would open up some additional roster spots for returning trade filers or my suggestions ( vet minimums signings) of Muscala and Sarr. Maybe even look at Ibou Badji for a rim running/ shotblocking mobile athletic 7fter. Badji has a 7'8 wingspan at 7 ft 1 by the way!!! :wink: sarr is also a 7 fter with incredible versatility, shotblocking and 3 pt shooting around 37%. And Muscala being a physical 6'11 3 point shooting 4/5. :wink:
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