2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II

[dremill24]

Nobody is going to love the Nurkic money, so the best way to make something work (short of stupidly tossing in their 1st) is to take on bad money in return. To me, thats Williams. Hes already slightly overpaid as is but the value is depressed a lot by the long term injury. Probably still have to give up a 2nd or two but thats the plausible way to make it work with Nurk IMO. Otherwise you just make it easy and use Okogie as filler if you want Richards.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Then simply remove Nurkic from the deal and change it to Okogie. Richards is too important to our needs to haggle over trying to offload Nurkic in the process. Just change the deal to Okogie and 2-3 2nds. Keep Nurkic for now to give us a bigger bodied center option in specific matchups.

OR trade Nurkic to Washington for Valuncias and Davis (a low budget version of J Suggs). Add two 2nds acquired by trading some combination of Jones (possibly return a late first from some team- OKC???) Plumlee, Bol Bol, and D Lee.

Then attach those two 2nds or whatever to Nurkic in that Washington trade for Valumcias and Davis. Valuncias becomes our big bodied backup 5 option behind Richards. And Davis our 3rd rotation defensive guard. My suggestion being:

Trade 1 (Charlotte)
Okogie/ 2 2nds for Richards and Seth Curry.

Trade 2 (Washington)
Nurkic and 2 2nds for Valuncias and Davis.

Two center upgrade options secured- check. A solid young 3rd rotation guard (insurance) - Check. Additional scoring veteran elite 3 point shooter in S Curry- check.

You get the additional 2nds by moving Jones, maybe Morris, Plumlee, Bol, and D Lee in a trade somewhere. Sign these vet mins (currently unsigned):

- Mike Muscala.
6'11 3 pt shooting/ a physical rebounding veteran 4/5. Would be a great compliment to Oso due to floor spacing ability.

- Olivier Sarr. A 24 yrs old 7 ft very skilled 3 & D mobile/ athletic 4/5. Would replace Plumlee. And his incredible versatility and skills would make him interchangeable with Ighodaro as both he and Muscala could offer floor spacing. But Sarr also offering weakside shotblocking and rim running potential too!

- Leaky Black. A very quick, versatile, athletic young 6'8 wing that offers elite defense. And can shoot too. Black would give us another long, ultra quick athletic defensive 3 & D wing on the cheap!

*** There's also Markelle Fultz, Smith Jr, Pat Bev, and many other decent guard options out there if necessary from moving one or both of Jones and Morris ( kind of want to keep Morris) for additional draft assets.

This is how you address our multiple roster issues creatively.

[Slim Charless]

I actually don't mind GWill as he's reminds me of Draymond..and you need guys like that on your team who have fire and are tough dudes. I'm probably in the minority but I'd love to keep him if we make the Booker trade in the summer.

[sunsbg]

Do this Richards trade already as long as they don't give too much. Jan with easy games is a good opportunity to integrate him. Every win may count at the end so having a starting C as soon as possible is important.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I actually don't mind GWill as he's reminds me of Draymond..and you need guys like that on your team who have fire and are tough dudes. I'm probably in the minority but I'd love to keep him if we make the Booker trade in the summer.

You're right about Williams being a decent consideration to keep. He's definitely similar to Draymond in certain aspects. I kind of see him as a bigger version of Royce actually. But the Budget version of Draymond might he even better and more on point.

And speaking of injured players. I'd also strongly consider Fultz on a small reasonable deal to see if he might be salvageable and return value in a rebuilding situation OR if we move Tyus or Monte in a trade to pick up a late 1st ( OKC or maybe Orlando)??? or even multiple 2nds that we can apply to more moves like a 2nd center upgrade trade or whatever.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Do this Richards trade already as long as they don't give too much. Jan with easy games is a good opportunity to integrate him. Every win may count at the end so having a starting C as soon as possible is important.

They need to get this done quickly and stop haggling so much because the Knicks, Lakers, and other teams are also in pursuit of Richards. And I'd hate to lose this opportunity to another team over arguing about minor details. Just get this done! Move those other players I've mentioned for a 1st or 2nds, and address our needs accordingly.

[Slim Charless]

I actually don't mind GWill as he's reminds me of Draymond..and you need guys like that on your team who have fire and are tough dudes. I'm probably in the minority but I'd love to keep him if we make the Booker trade in the summer.

You're right about Williams being a decent consideration to keep. He's definitely similar to Draymond in certain aspects. I kind of see him as a bigger version of Royce actually. But the Budget version of Draymond might he even better and more on point.

And speaking of injured players. I'd also strongly consider Fultz on a small reasonable deal to see if he might be salvageable and return value in a rebuilding situation OR if we move Tyus or Monte in a trade to pick up a late 1st ( OKC or maybe Orlando)??? or even multiple 2nds that we can apply to more moves like a 2nd center upgrade trade or whatever.

Yeah, I'm fine with taking a shot on Fultz or in the summer-Lonzo. Both guys play defense well and are pass first guys. Neither has the best jumper, which is an issue but is less so if we have Jalen Green/Whitmore at wing. Plus Durant of course.

GWill is good add. I remember him on those Boston teams and he was the only one who didn't quit in games. Always played hard. I've liked his game for awhile-for what he does. Plus it'll be fireworks when we play the Dubs as he and Draymond don't like each other at all lol.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I actually don't mind GWill as he's reminds me of Draymond..and you need guys like that on your team who have fire and are tough dudes. I'm probably in the minority but I'd love to keep him if we make the Booker trade in the summer.

You're right about Williams being a decent consideration to keep. He's definitely similar to Draymond in certain aspects. I kind of see him as a bigger version of Royce actually. But the Budget version of Draymond might he even better and more on point.

And speaking of injured players. I'd also strongly consider Fultz on a small reasonable deal to see if he might be salvageable and return value in a rebuilding situation OR if we move Tyus or Monte in a trade to pick up a late 1st ( OKC or maybe Orlando)??? or even multiple 2nds that we can apply to more moves like a 2nd center upgrade trade or whatever.

Yeah, I'm fine with taking a shot on Fultz or in the summer-Lonzo. Both guys play defense well and are pass first guys. Neither has the best jumper, which is an issue but is less so if we have Jalen Green/Whitmore at wing. Plus Durant of course.

GWill is good add. I remember him on those Boston teams and he was the only one who didn't quit in games. Always played hard. I've liked his game for awhile-for what he does. Plus it'll be fireworks when we play the Dubs as he and Draymond don't like each other at all lol.

Love it! Ball in the summer would be EPIC!!! And a young backcourt of Ball and J Green would be electric and dominant. Ironically if handled correctly, we could do a surprisingly rapid retool with more youth, explosive athleticism, lockdown defense and cap flexibility and loaded with picks to be very similar to this year's Pistons possibly sneaking into the playoffs within 2-3 years at the most!

But that's as long as Ishbia doesn't immediately offload whatever premium picks/ assets we'd get back in a KD/ Booker trade for more aging vets and semi washed declining superstars that would become his shiny new big name projects.

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[bwgood77]

I wonder if Beal would want to go to Denver. I still don't really see a trade working where he goes somewhere and we work up with Butler, but say teams did agree, of course then Beal would have to waive his NTC for the trade (he will not waive the NTC in his contract meaning it will continue to exist if he did approve a trade) but the main reason the NTC is a big deal to Beal is that he is very much a family man and does not want to up and move him and his wife on the whims of a team deciding to trade him. He wants to do right for his family and isn't the type to want to move around a lot, which is why he stayed with Washington so long. He decided to do it for Phoenix because KD and Book called him up and the organization said they really wanted him here and was going to make it home.

He's not the type to really get disgruntled either I don't think, by being benched or whatever. He is a professional. But the NBA isn't the most important thing to him.

Spoiler:

Beal had Denver on his list of the 4 teams that he'd be willing to waive his trade clause for.
https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/report_reveals_three_teams_bradley_beal_would_waive_his_no_trade_clause_for/s1_127_41529908

Report reveals three teams Bradley Beal would waive his no-trade clause for

Originally posted on Larry Brown Sports
By Darryn Albert | Last updated Jan 6, 2025 5:53 PM ET

Suns writer John Gambadoro reported Monday that there are three teams the Phoenix star Beal would waive his no-trade clause for. They are the Los Angeles Lakers, the Miami Heat, and the Denver Nuggets.

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The real question would be the framework of that trade with Denver and Miami! Dunn and Oso better not be involved if it were to happen.

Let's hope not cause if those are his teams, he's staying put. Miami doesn't want him and Ish wouldn't trade inner division to LAL or to conf rival Denver.

Sigh, less than a month now. Come on, Feb 7th.

I think Gambo knows more stuff than he used to, but no one knows exactly who Beal would waive his no trade clause for because they haven't approached him. He would need to know a lot more about the exact situation he would going to, etc.

I didn't read the article, but if those were 3 he would have while he was with Washington, that makes sense then.

But my guess is if he does waive it, it won't be until the offseason.

[Benjammin]

It seems some people are under the illusion that trading Beal will be easy. It will be very difficult and expensive to dump one of the worst contracts in the association.

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[bwgood77]

Nobody is going to love the Nurkic money, so the best way to make something work (short of stupidly tossing in their 1st) is to take on bad money in return. To me, thats Williams. Hes already slightly overpaid as is but the value is depressed a lot by the long term injury. Probably still have to give up a 2nd or two but thats the plausible way to make it work with Nurk IMO. Otherwise you just make it easy and use Okogie as filler if you want Richards.

I think Mark Williams or Richards would be fine. They are pretty equal. I think Williams might be slightly better, and he's 4 years younger, but may be more injury prone. Their #s and even mpg the last few years are very similar.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[KLEON]

Does it has to be J.O involved in trade rumors, he's our best defender and high energy player

[Saberestar]

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[TeamTragic]

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Deleted. What was the tweet?

[DirtyDez]

Nick Richards is just a younger version of Plumlee no?