PG: Knicks vs. Thunder: BELT-TO-ASS GAME

[thebuzzardman]

Brunson and KAT aren't good defenders but they have carried our offense.

OG and Mikal haven't carried our defense like we hoped they would.

OG's a good defender but he's not close to the potential DPOY we hoped he might be for us, and Mikal coasted for the first 20 games of the season and even his best hasn't been dominant defensively. So when they're not providing any offense, it gets pretty ugly. I don't think either has played up to their new contract or trade cost, particularly on the defensive end, where they were expected to reliably provide outsize impact.

I think we're still in good shape. They're going through a rough patch but they have to keep their head up.

The Thunder just have more talent and SGA's a superior player to Brunson. Brunson's lack of size will always pose problems (particularly defensively), whereas SGA basically has no weakness. He's probably the most complete guard the NBA has seen since prime D-Wade. Shoutout to all those who wanted to trade for him years ago when he was just a promising young player.

And yes drop coverage doesn't work against all teams and OKC have the skill set on offense to beat it.

Knicks should explore trading OG in the next year or two

[Gravy]

Still no answer, just deflection. That's what you do, you refuse to answer something because you know it makes your God look bad. Every post by you is a deflection, you will just ask questions rather than answer ones presented to you to hide. It's actually pretty sad, like you're actually afraid on a message board.


Burks was benched last season after we traded for him, until we had too many injuries, then he played in the playoffs and averaged 15ppg on 50% Also hilarious you had no idea who was on the Cavs bench, Niang would never play for us, they have to play zone to hide him on defense, and your lord and savior doesn't play zone.

You tried to covertly compare Caris Lavert and Niang to who we have like its the same thing. And you are throwing out stats you could have made up like the huckster charlatan you are. Now you are completely leaving out the months Burks sucked during the season hoping we forgot about it. Is this how hard you have to go at someone you claim you dont hate? Gish galloping all over the place

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th
2014-15 - 27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th


Answer, were all these benches bad? Or does he just not play his bench? Our interactions are done until you answer that simple question.

Dude you spread more misinformation than a qanon meeting. You brought up the Cavs and when I pointed out they have Caris Levert a former borderline allstar you quickly changed the topic. Will you address that first since You brought them up?

Lets look at other playoff teams benches to find out why we may be ranked last in minutes. You wont give your sources so I have to go through every bench manually. We can start with the Bucks who we play today. Do we have a guy like Bobby Portis on our bench that can do this?

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[Gravy]

You tried to covertly compare Caris Lavert and Niang to who we have like its the same thing. And you are throwing out stats you could have made up like the huckster charlatan you are. Now you are completely leaving out the months Burks sucked during the season hoping we forgot about it. Is this how hard you have to go at someone you claim you dont hate? Gish galloping all over the place

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th
2014-15 - 27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th


Answer, were all these benches bad? Or does he just not play his bench? Our interactions are done until you answer that simple question.

They wont answer bro, Thibs supporters will always just say “the bench is bad”. Acting as if Thibs wasn’t the guy who played Payton heavy minutes and didn’t let IQ see the light of day till late in his 2nd and 3rd seasons.

Another misinformation spreader who obsessively hates Thibs, I'm starting to see a pattern. IQ averaged 19 minutes in his rookie year where in the 11th game of the season IQ played 30 minutes, then 22,27,21 minutes in successive games. Also here you are early in IQ's second year wanting Thibs to play that bum IQ MUCH MUCH LESS! wow

viewtopic.php?p=94542528#p94542528

IQ needs to play much much less, playing like utter butt juice out there
our bench brought us back, play the players that were playing defense and brought us back, aka rose, noel, burks, toppin rj
simpe
play the best players winning on the night
dont give time to the players who are playing like bums

Sounds like you were more objective and rational back then. If you irrationally hate Thibs now and dont want to see him anymore you can just say that instead of making up things that never happened and contradicting yourself.

Who on our bench now is as good as IQ that Thibs wont play?

[3toheadmelo]

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th
2014-15 - 27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th


Answer, were all these benches bad? Or does he just not play his bench? Our interactions are done until you answer that simple question.

They wont answer bro, Thibs supporters will always just say “the bench is bad”. Acting as if Thibs wasn’t the guy who played Payton heavy minutes and didn’t let IQ see the light of day till late in his 2nd and 3rd seasons.

Another misinformation spreader who obsessively hates Thibs, I'm starting to see a pattern. IQ averaged 19 minutes in his rookie year where in the 11th game of the season IQ played 30 minutes, then 22,27,21 minutes in successive games. Also here you are early in IQ's second year wanting Thibs to play that bum IQ MUCH MUCH LESS! wow

viewtopic.php?p=94542528#p94542528

IQ needs to play much much less, playing like utter butt juice out there
our bench brought us back, play the players that were playing defense and brought us back, aka rose, noel, burks, toppin rj
simpe
play the best players winning on the night
dont give time to the players who are playing like bums

Sounds like you were more objective and rational back then. If you irrationally hate Thibs now and dont want to see him anymore you can just say that instead of making up things that never happened and contradicting yourself.

Who on our bench now is as good as IQ that Thibs wont play?

Graves pulling out receipts

[Gravy]

They wont answer bro, Thibs supporters will always just say “the bench is bad”. Acting as if Thibs wasn’t the guy who played Payton heavy minutes and didn’t let IQ see the light of day till late in his 2nd and 3rd seasons.

Another misinformation spreader who obsessively hates Thibs, I'm starting to see a pattern. IQ averaged 19 minutes in his rookie year where in the 11th game of the season IQ played 30 minutes, then 22,27,21 minutes in successive games. Also here you are early in IQ's second year wanting Thibs to play that bum IQ MUCH MUCH LESS! wow

viewtopic.php?p=94542528#p94542528

IQ needs to play much much less, playing like utter butt juice out there
our bench brought us back, play the players that were playing defense and brought us back, aka rose, noel, burks, toppin rj
simpe
play the best players winning on the night
dont give time to the players who are playing like bums

Sounds like you were more objective and rational back then. If you irrationally hate Thibs now and dont want to see him anymore you can just say that instead of making up things that never happened and contradicting yourself.

Who on our bench now is as good as IQ that Thibs wont play?

Graves pulling out receipts

They tryna hoodwink, bamboozle and lead me astray!

[JayTWill]

Hold on. See the Cavs have these two guys coming off the bench and you have the audacity to compare them to Jericho Sims and Cam Payne Maybe Clyde_Style up there will easily fall for your scammer tricks. I'm flagging all your posts as Sh$tposts

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Still no answer, just deflection. That's what you do, you refuse to answer something because you know it makes your God look bad. Every post by you is a deflection, you will just ask questions rather than answer ones presented to you to hide. It's actually pretty sad, like you're actually afraid on a message board.


Burks was benched last season after we traded for him, until we had too many injuries, then he played in the playoffs and averaged 15ppg on 50% Also hilarious you had no idea who was on the Cavs bench, Niang would never play for us, they have to play zone to hide him on defense, and your lord and savior doesn't play zone.

You tried to covertly compare Caris Lavert and Niang to who we have like its the same thing. And you are throwing out stats you could have made up like the huckster charlatan you are. Now you are completely leaving out the months Burks sucked during the season hoping we forgot about it. Is this how hard you have to go at someone you claim you dont hate? Gish galloping all over the place

Burks was terrible last season and I hated the idea that we traded Grimes and picks for him and Bojan especially after seeing Kemba and Fournier fail here. The team was terrible with the Detroit guys on the court but they needed some added depth and offense from the bench so I tried to be more understanding of the move.

I initially thought that there was no way Thibs would sign off on these types of players again but 2 games after the trade with Mitch, iHart, OG and Randle out Thibs played Deuce 5 minutes, benched him in the 2nd half gave Burks the back up minutes behind Brunson and played DDV the entire 2nd half until he got injured and they lost on that Brunson foul against the Rockets.

Thibs has always had these Kemba/Burks, Fournier/Bogey type guys on his teams. He has always wanted his backup scoring guard to carry his offense from CJ Watson to John Lucas III to Nate Robinson to Aaron Brooks to DJ Augustine in Chicago to Burks and Rose to IQ to Burks again last year in New York.

In Chicago they signed Reddick to an offer sheet that Orlando matched and the Bulls ended up with just Kyle Korver. Then they went from Korver to Dunleavy to Belinelli to McDermott. In New York they signed Fournier and then DDV a few seasons later. I doubt it was a coincidence New York ended up with Burks, more of a natural scoring guard and former Thibs player and another shooter in Bogey.

This year with Brunson, Deuce and Kolek just drafted they prioritized adding another small guard in Payne to provide on-ball offense from the bench while they also signed another shooter in Shamet. Thibs' fingerprints are on the roster construction as well which makes it even more odd when he doesn't play those guys he likely advocated to bring in.

[Iron Mantis]

Leon isn't a guy that's gonna let a friend ruin his legacy. Thibs will be gone in this offseason when we lose in the 2nd round.

Just hope we don't suffer any major injuries between then. If not we will have some more highs and lows this season when we inevitably lose in the 2nd round

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Heads are about to roll Guanyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just didn't understand the logic of drafting a 19 year old in Dadiet when there were guys still available in the draft who could play immediately who are not teenagers. There are a bunch of 21 and 22 year olds contributing on playoff teams. Some of these guys we actually drafted ourselves and traded down or for future picks.

Ryan Dunn was drafted by the Suns with the 28th pick. 22 years old, and he is their starting SF.

Ajay Mitchell ended up on the Thunder, but he was actually drafted by the Knicks with the 38th pick. Now he is one of their top rotation players. 22 years old

Oso Ighodaro ended up on the Suns, but he was actually drafted by the Knicks with the 40th pick. Now he is their back-up center, having taken Nurkic's spot. 22 years old.

Jaylen Wells was drafted with the 39th pick. 21 years old and he is their starting shooting guard.

If we are in win now mode, we don't have time to waste developing a kid like Dadiet.

Hukporti and Kolek are ready to play now, but aren't getting the chance.

You can thank Thibs for that. He doesn't want rookies in the rotation, NBA ready or not. And he has zero interest in developing draft picks like all the other NBA teams do.

[ctorres]

You can thank Thibs for that. He doesn't want rookies in the rotation, NBA ready or not. And he has zero interest in developing draft picks like all the other NBA teams do.

He developed Quickley, Toppin, Grimes, and McBride

but they weren't 19 year old teenagers like Dadiet

Quickley was 21 in his rookie year

Toppin was 22

Grimes was 21

McBride was 21


Dadiet is way too young

He is 2 or 3 years away from being an actual rookie in Thibs' eyes

[thebuzzardman]

You can thank Thibs for that. He doesn't want rookies in the rotation, NBA ready or not. And he has zero interest in developing draft picks like all the other NBA teams do.

He developed Quickley, Toppin, Grimes, and McBride

but they weren't 19 year old teenagers like Dadiet

Quickley was 21 in his rookie year

Toppin was 22

Grimes was 21

McBride was 21


Dadiet is way too young

He is 2 or 3 years away from being an actual rookie in Thibs' eyes

That's why he was a stupid pick for a team in a 4 year chip window.

Waste of a roster spot, waste of a pick

[thebuzzardman]

Dadiet is Knox or Keels with a french name

[Gravy]

Still no answer, just deflection. That's what you do, you refuse to answer something because you know it makes your God look bad. Every post by you is a deflection, you will just ask questions rather than answer ones presented to you to hide. It's actually pretty sad, like you're actually afraid on a message board.


Burks was benched last season after we traded for him, until we had too many injuries, then he played in the playoffs and averaged 15ppg on 50% Also hilarious you had no idea who was on the Cavs bench, Niang would never play for us, they have to play zone to hide him on defense, and your lord and savior doesn't play zone.

You tried to covertly compare Caris Lavert and Niang to who we have like its the same thing. And you are throwing out stats you could have made up like the huckster charlatan you are. Now you are completely leaving out the months Burks sucked during the season hoping we forgot about it. Is this how hard you have to go at someone you claim you dont hate? Gish galloping all over the place

Burks was terrible last season and I hated the idea that we traded Grimes and picks for him and Bojan especially after seeing Kemba and Fournier fail here. The team was terrible with the Detroit guys on the court but they needed some added depth and offense from the bench so I tried to be more understanding of the move.

I initially thought that there was no way Thibs would sign off on these types of players again but 2 games after the trade with Mitch, iHart, OG and Randle out Thibs played Deuce 5 minutes, benched him in the 2nd half gave Burks the back up minutes behind Brunson and played DDV the entire 2nd half until he got injured and they lost on that Brunson foul against the Rockets.

Thibs has always had these Kemba/Burks, Fournier/Bogey type guys on his teams. He has always wanted his backup scoring guard to carry his offense from CJ Watson to John Lucas III to Nate Robinson to Aaron Brooks to DJ Augustine in Chicago to Burks and Rose to IQ to Burks again last year in New York.

In Chicago they signed Reddick to an offer sheet that Orlando matched and the Bulls ended up with just Kyle Korver. Then they went from Korver to Dunleavy to Belinelli to McDermott. In New York they signed Fournier and then DDV a few seasons later. I doubt it was a coincidence New York ended up with Burks, more of a natural scoring guard and former Thibs player and another shooter in Bogey.

This year with Brunson, Deuce and Kolek just drafted they prioritized adding another small guard in Payne to provide on-ball offense from the bench while they also signed another shooter in Shamet. Thibs' fingerprints are on the roster construction as well which makes it even more odd when he doesn't play those guys he likely advocated to bring in.

I think these are just the best guys we were able to get for cheap under the apron after all the big moves we made; I dont really know how that cba stuff works. If the FO could have IQ, DDV, Ihart back on the bench with this current squad they would but that is impossible financially

[Iron Mantis]

You can thank Thibs for that. He doesn't want rookies in the rotation, NBA ready or not. And he has zero interest in developing draft picks like all the other NBA teams do.

He developed Quickley, Toppin, Grimes, and McBride

but they weren't 19 year old teenagers like Dadiet

Quickley was 21 in his rookie year

Toppin was 22

Grimes was 21

McBride was 21


Dadiet is way too young

He is 2 or 3 years away from being an actual rookie in Thibs' eyes

True. And "developing" them must have been a nightmare for him.

Thibs hasn't given a rookie immediate consideration in almost 5 years.

Quickley and Toppin were drafted in 2020 and were immediately put in the rotation. It paid dividends. We quickly had young depth developing. I can't think of any rookies he has immediately put in the Knicks rotation since then.

In 2021-2022 Grimes got sporadic garbage time minutes and wasn't set in the rotation until the 33rd game of the season after D.Rose went down and Thibs was forced to play him or run an 8-man rotation.

In 2021-2022 McBride didn't get a spot in the rotation until the 62nd game of a lost season, while Thibs was still running Burks at PG. If D.Rose stayed healthy, Grimes and McBride wouldn't have cracked the rotation that year


Since then we've either traded our picks during the season, traded picks/rookies on draft night, punted the draft altogether, or buried the picks in Westchester.

That's how Thibs wants it. He wants vets, not rookies whose development requires patience and actual coaching.

[The KnicksFix]

They wont answer bro, Thibs supporters will always just say “the bench is bad”. Acting as if Thibs wasn’t the guy who played Payton heavy minutes and didn’t let IQ see the light of day till late in his 2nd and 3rd seasons.

Another misinformation spreader who obsessively hates Thibs, I'm starting to see a pattern. IQ averaged 19 minutes in his rookie year where in the 11th game of the season IQ played 30 minutes, then 22,27,21 minutes in successive games. Also here you are early in IQ's second year wanting Thibs to play that bum IQ MUCH MUCH LESS! wow

viewtopic.php?p=94542528#p94542528

IQ needs to play much much less, playing like utter butt juice out there
our bench brought us back, play the players that were playing defense and brought us back, aka rose, noel, burks, toppin rj
simpe
play the best players winning on the night
dont give time to the players who are playing like bums

Sounds like you were more objective and rational back then. If you irrationally hate Thibs now and dont want to see him anymore you can just say that instead of making up things that never happened and contradicting yourself.

Who on our bench now is as good as IQ that Thibs wont play?

Graves pulling out receipts

It’s funny, he can pull the receipts but can’t answer the question No Dope asked him 5x in post after post
You speaking for other men now Melo? Or you gonna go back to the sh** post thread and complain we dont have Randle?

[The KnicksFix]

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th
2014-15 - 27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th


Answer, were all these benches bad? Or does he just not play his bench? Our interactions are done until you answer that simple question.

They wont answer bro, Thibs supporters will always just say “the bench is bad”. Acting as if Thibs wasn’t the guy who played Payton heavy minutes and didn’t let IQ see the light of day till late in his 2nd and 3rd seasons.

Another misinformation spreader who obsessively hates Thibs, I'm starting to see a pattern. IQ averaged 19 minutes in his rookie year where in the 11th game of the season IQ played 30 minutes, then 22,27,21 minutes in successive games. Also here you are early in IQ's second year wanting Thibs to play that bum IQ MUCH MUCH LESS! wow

viewtopic.php?p=94542528#p94542528

IQ needs to play much much less, playing like utter butt juice out there
our bench brought us back, play the players that were playing defense and brought us back, aka rose, noel, burks, toppin rj
simpe
play the best players winning on the night
dont give time to the players who are playing like bums

Sounds like you were more objective and rational back then. If you irrationally hate Thibs now and dont want to see him anymore you can just say that instead of making up things that never happened and contradicting yourself.

Who on our bench now is as good as IQ that Thibs wont play?

Who on our bench is as good as IQ was in his rookie year? Is that a serious question?
As if we didn’t draft a PG in kolek who was the only player to average 15 ppg and 7 assists in DIV-1 last year, and LEAD THE NATION IN TOTAL ASSISTS?
Lmao stop it bro
You can quote me all you want, but kolek RIGHT NOW is a better player than IQ was in his rookie year

Matter fact, answer no dope’s question while you at it

[The KnicksFix]

Another misinformation spreader who obsessively hates Thibs, I'm starting to see a pattern. IQ averaged 19 minutes in his rookie year where in the 11th game of the season IQ played 30 minutes, then 22,27,21 minutes in successive games. Also here you are early in IQ's second year wanting Thibs to play that bum IQ MUCH MUCH LESS! wow

viewtopic.php?p=94542528#p94542528


Sounds like you were more objective and rational back then. If you irrationally hate Thibs now and dont want to see him anymore you can just say that instead of making up things that never happened and contradicting yourself.

Who on our bench now is as good as IQ that Thibs wont play?

Graves pulling out receipts

They tryna hoodwink, bamboozle and lead me astray!

Stop it, the post you pulled was not from IQ’s rookie year
KOLEK RIGHT NOW is much more polished than IQ was in his rookie year and deserves time off the bench to grow because we will need him in the playoffs
You keep ducking questions other posters giving you, yet you can deflect and not answer no dope’s question

If its any misinformation spreaders, its posters like you, where time and time again its been shown when and why thibs was fired after wearing out his welcome, yet you will still post “but we dOnT hAvE a BeNcH”, then complain when those same rookies are randomly inserted into big roles come playoff time and are shell shocked because they weren’t given a chance to actually grow.

But go ahead, keep duckin the smoke and duckin’ no dope’s questions

By the way, his posts were pulled from stat muse, he wasn’t cherry pickin’, a simple google search would have pulled the same stats that he used, but continue deflecting when other posters provide actual stats and proof

[JayTWill]

You can thank Thibs for that. He doesn't want rookies in the rotation, NBA ready or not. And he has zero interest in developing draft picks like all the other NBA teams do.

He developed Quickley, Toppin, Grimes, and McBride

but they weren't 19 year old teenagers like Dadiet

Quickley was 21 in his rookie year

Toppin was 22

Grimes was 21

McBride was 21


Dadiet is way too young

He is 2 or 3 years away from being an actual rookie in Thibs' eyes

When Thibs arrived wasn't the team full of young players? What other options did he have to play in year 1 with IQ and Toppin? Their vet signings fell apart in year 2 didn't they? Maybe I am misremembering things.

Part of me still feels like Deuce may have dodged a bullet with all the injuries last year and the Detroit trade bombing. Seeing Precious getting all those minutes in February but being out of the rotation by the end of the year despite not having Randle back and Bogey struggling was a bit unexpected. The Thibs circle of trust is never quite as big as I imagine it to be.

[JayTWill]

You tried to covertly compare Caris Lavert and Niang to who we have like its the same thing. And you are throwing out stats you could have made up like the huckster charlatan you are. Now you are completely leaving out the months Burks sucked during the season hoping we forgot about it. Is this how hard you have to go at someone you claim you dont hate? Gish galloping all over the place

Burks was terrible last season and I hated the idea that we traded Grimes and picks for him and Bojan especially after seeing Kemba and Fournier fail here. The team was terrible with the Detroit guys on the court but they needed some added depth and offense from the bench so I tried to be more understanding of the move.

I initially thought that there was no way Thibs would sign off on these types of players again but 2 games after the trade with Mitch, iHart, OG and Randle out Thibs played Deuce 5 minutes, benched him in the 2nd half gave Burks the back up minutes behind Brunson and played DDV the entire 2nd half until he got injured and they lost on that Brunson foul against the Rockets.

Thibs has always had these Kemba/Burks, Fournier/Bogey type guys on his teams. He has always wanted his backup scoring guard to carry his offense from CJ Watson to John Lucas III to Nate Robinson to Aaron Brooks to DJ Augustine in Chicago to Burks and Rose to IQ to Burks again last year in New York.

In Chicago they signed Reddick to an offer sheet that Orlando matched and the Bulls ended up with just Kyle Korver. Then they went from Korver to Dunleavy to Belinelli to McDermott. In New York they signed Fournier and then DDV a few seasons later. I doubt it was a coincidence New York ended up with Burks, more of a natural scoring guard and former Thibs player and another shooter in Bogey.

This year with Brunson, Deuce and Kolek just drafted they prioritized adding another small guard in Payne to provide on-ball offense from the bench while they also signed another shooter in Shamet. Thibs' fingerprints are on the roster construction as well which makes it even more odd when he doesn't play those guys he likely advocated to bring in.

I think these are just the best guys we were able to get for cheap under the apron after all the big moves we made; I dont really know how that cba stuff works. If the FO could have IQ, DDV, Ihart back on the bench with this current squad they would but that is impossible financially

I agree that guys like Payne and Shamet are who they could get for cheap and probably the bottom of the barrel Thibs type guys but they are still the type of guys he wants. I'm sure Thibs has input on the guys being brought in. When it succeeds he deserves some credit but he also deserves some blame when it fails. Burks looks like the typical Thibs retread just like Rose, Gibson, Butler, Deng and even Aaron Brooks were before throughout his career. It worked out incredibly well for half a season here with Rose. It didn't work out so well last season with Burks.

Unfortunately the team will only have access to vet min signings in free agency or possibly the taxpayer mid-level exception that was around $5.2M this year and I believe only Dario Saric received it. As a team above the 1st apron they can't sign anyone bought out making more than non-taxpayer MLE (around $12.9M) and I can't imagine there will be many quality players making less than that being bought out. The buyout signing last year was Shake Milton.

I don't know if you can expect to bring in more than the Payne, Shamet, Saric, Milton level players in free agency especially when Thibs is being voted the coach players least want to play for the last few years. I don't think he is doing himself any favors with his reputation by the way he is handling minutes and the rotation this year.

If they want to add another IQ level player to their playable depth they will likely have to develop one unless you think someone will trade that level of player for guys you consider to be unplayable late picks from a weak draft, the teams remaining collection of 2nd round picks or their other weak end of rotation players. I don't know. Anything is possible. I never thought the Wolves would voluntarily pair Randle with Edwards, McDaniels and Gobert.

[Gravy]

Graves pulling out receipts

They tryna hoodwink, bamboozle and lead me astray!

Stop it, the post you pulled was not from IQ’s rookie year
KOLEK RIGHT NOW is much more polished than IQ was in his rookie year and deserves time off the bench to grow because we will need him in the playoffs
You keep ducking questions other posters giving you, yet you can deflect and not answer no dope’s question

If its any misinformation spreaders, its posters like you, where time and time again its been shown when and why thibs was fired after wearing out his welcome, yet you will still post “but we dOnT hAvE a BeNcH”, then complain when those same rookies are randomly inserted into big roles come playoff time and are shell shocked because they weren’t given a chance to actually grow.

But go ahead, keep duckin the smoke and duckin’ no dope’s questions

By the way, his posts were pulled from stat muse, he wasn’t cherry pickin’, a simple google search would have pulled the same stats that he used, but continue deflecting when other posters provide actual stats and proof

I pulled up receipts on you lying about IQ never seeing the light of day until late in his 2nd and 3rd year. On top of that you wanted him benched before then because he sucked and Thibs was playing him too much!

Using Div 1 stats to say Kolek right now is better than IQ is nasty work

[Gravy]

Burks was terrible last season and I hated the idea that we traded Grimes and picks for him and Bojan especially after seeing Kemba and Fournier fail here. The team was terrible with the Detroit guys on the court but they needed some added depth and offense from the bench so I tried to be more understanding of the move.

I initially thought that there was no way Thibs would sign off on these types of players again but 2 games after the trade with Mitch, iHart, OG and Randle out Thibs played Deuce 5 minutes, benched him in the 2nd half gave Burks the back up minutes behind Brunson and played DDV the entire 2nd half until he got injured and they lost on that Brunson foul against the Rockets.

Thibs has always had these Kemba/Burks, Fournier/Bogey type guys on his teams. He has always wanted his backup scoring guard to carry his offense from CJ Watson to John Lucas III to Nate Robinson to Aaron Brooks to DJ Augustine in Chicago to Burks and Rose to IQ to Burks again last year in New York.

In Chicago they signed Reddick to an offer sheet that Orlando matched and the Bulls ended up with just Kyle Korver. Then they went from Korver to Dunleavy to Belinelli to McDermott. In New York they signed Fournier and then DDV a few seasons later. I doubt it was a coincidence New York ended up with Burks, more of a natural scoring guard and former Thibs player and another shooter in Bogey.

This year with Brunson, Deuce and Kolek just drafted they prioritized adding another small guard in Payne to provide on-ball offense from the bench while they also signed another shooter in Shamet. Thibs' fingerprints are on the roster construction as well which makes it even more odd when he doesn't play those guys he likely advocated to bring in.

I think these are just the best guys we were able to get for cheap under the apron after all the big moves we made; I dont really know how that cba stuff works. If the FO could have IQ, DDV, Ihart back on the bench with this current squad they would but that is impossible financially

I agree that guys like Payne and Shamet are who they could get for cheap and probably the bottom of the barrel Thibs type guys but they are still the type of guys he wants. I'm sure Thibs has input on the guys being brought in. When it succeeds he deserves some credit but he also deserves some blame when it fails. Burks looks like the typical Thibs retread just like Rose, Gibson, Butler, Deng and even Aaron Brooks were before throughout his career. It worked out incredibly well for half a season here with Rose. It didn't work out so well last season with Burks.

Unfortunately the team will only have access to vet min signings in free agency or possibly the taxpayer mid-level exception that was around $5.2M this year and I believe only Dario Saric received it. As a team above the 1st apron they can't sign anyone bought out making more than non-taxpayer MLE (around $12.9M) and I can't imagine there will be many quality players making less than that being bought out. The buyout signing last year was Shake Milton.

I don't know if you can expect to bring in more than the Payne, Shamet, Saric, Milton level players in free agency especially when Thibs is being voted the coach players least want to play for the last few years. I don't think he is doing himself any favors with his reputation by the way he is handling minutes and the rotation this year.

If they want to add another IQ level player to their playable depth they will likely have to develop one unless you think someone will trade that level of player for guys you consider to be unplayable late picks from a weak draft, the teams remaining collection of 2nd round picks or their other weak end of rotation players. I don't know. Anything is possible. I never thought the Wolves would voluntarily pair Randle with Edwards, McDaniels and Gobert.

If any of the rookies we have has IQ level talent it would take years to develop them. i dont know if you guys ever watch other NBA teams but their players this raw usually take years in g-league to develop that not a Thibs thing. And most dont make it, we only hear about the ones that do. If you believe the rookies are already great players then I'd have to disagree.

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I think these are just the best guys we were able to get for cheap under the apron after all the big moves we made; I dont really know how that cba stuff works. If the FO could have IQ, DDV, Ihart back on the bench with this current squad they would but that is impossible financially

I agree that guys like Payne and Shamet are who they could get for cheap and probably the bottom of the barrel Thibs type guys but they are still the type of guys he wants. I'm sure Thibs has input on the guys being brought in. When it succeeds he deserves some credit but he also deserves some blame when it fails. Burks looks like the typical Thibs retread just like Rose, Gibson, Butler, Deng and even Aaron Brooks were before throughout his career. It worked out incredibly well for half a season here with Rose. It didn't work out so well last season with Burks.

Unfortunately the team will only have access to vet min signings in free agency or possibly the taxpayer mid-level exception that was around $5.2M this year and I believe only Dario Saric received it. As a team above the 1st apron they can't sign anyone bought out making more than non-taxpayer MLE (around $12.9M) and I can't imagine there will be many quality players making less than that being bought out. The buyout signing last year was Shake Milton.

I don't know if you can expect to bring in more than the Payne, Shamet, Saric, Milton level players in free agency especially when Thibs is being voted the coach players least want to play for the last few years. I don't think he is doing himself any favors with his reputation by the way he is handling minutes and the rotation this year.

If they want to add another IQ level player to their playable depth they will likely have to develop one unless you think someone will trade that level of player for guys you consider to be unplayable late picks from a weak draft, the teams remaining collection of 2nd round picks or their other weak end of rotation players. I don't know. Anything is possible. I never thought the Wolves would voluntarily pair Randle with Edwards, McDaniels and Gobert.

If any of the rookies we have has IQ level talent it would take years to develop them. i dont know if you guys ever watch other NBA teams but their players this raw usually take years in g-league to develop that not a Thibs thing. And most dont make it, we only hear about the ones that do. If you believe the rookies are already great players then I'd have to disagree.

I was saying we don't have the assets to acquire an IQ level player if teams look at the players we have as lowly as you do. No one is giving you a high quality rotational piece for guys that you believe would have to develop in the G-League for years just for them to have the possibility of reaching IQ's level somewhere down the road. We didn't trade IQ for that. Toronto wouldn't trade IQ for that. You are not getting IQ for the vet min either.

So if you don't like the vet min guys we can acquire and don't like the rookies what exactly is your plan other than to play the top guys as much as possible and hope for the best? Hope someone gives you value for the things you don't value at all? Hope the pieces that you don't value start to gain value by sitting on the bench?