Which "Masai's Big Three" has a higher ceiling?

[Indeed]

That ceiling for both sides is a first round exit so it doesn’t really matter about their ceiling cause it’s ass. Which trio has the higher floor is the question we should be asking and it’s clearly FVV/Siakam & OG due to IQ and especially RJ being non existent on defence.

I don't think we will see our current core makes the playoffs.

I don’t either but that’s because I don’t think they’re an actual core 3 lol.

The guy we get in the draft will 100% replace one of them on the pecking order. It’s a stop gap core.

And replacing just one of them is enough? And they fit?
We are bottom on both end, will need two elite on offense with capable defense.

As for our previous core, I don't think the ceiling was a first round exist if construct better, and Barnes was a poor fit who has so little skill with no shooting to be a starter by default with the previous core.

[The Duke]

Masai’s future big three, with better/early planning should have been:

Barnes + Wemby + draft pick

[HumbleRen]

I don't think we will see our current core makes the playoffs.

I don’t either but that’s because I don’t think they’re an actual core 3 lol.

The guy we get in the draft will 100% replace one of them on the pecking order. It’s a stop gap core.

And replacing just one of them is enough? And they fit?
We are bottom on both end, will need two elite on offense with capable defense.

As for our previous core, I don't think the ceiling was a first round exist if construct better, and Barnes was a poor fit who has so little skill with no shooting to be a starter by default with the previous core.

I mean it doesn’t really matter what you think on it because their ceiling was a first round exit. In fact the only 2 games they actually won in the playoffs was when FVV wasn’t even available to play. They achieved nothing as the 3 best players.


As for the next core 3? I mean that’s a wait and see moment. That’s the point of a rebuild? Like if we land a top 3-4 pick, would you write off the rookie in their first year? No, you would have to give it time lol.

[Indeed]

I don’t either but that’s because I don’t think they’re an actual core 3 lol.

The guy we get in the draft will 100% replace one of them on the pecking order. It’s a stop gap core.

And replacing just one of them is enough? And they fit?
We are bottom on both end, will need two elite on offense with capable defense.

As for our previous core, I don't think the ceiling was a first round exist if construct better, and Barnes was a poor fit who has so little skill with no shooting to be a starter by default with the previous core.

I mean it doesn’t really matter what you think on it because their ceiling was a first round exit. In fact the only 2 games they actually won in the playoffs was when FVV wasn’t even available to play. They achieved nothing as the 3 best players.


As for the next core 3? I mean that’s a wait and see moment. That’s the point of a rebuild? Like if we land a top 3-4 pick, would you write off the rookie in their first year? No, you would have to give it time lol.

I think it is unfair just to claim what they can do with a bad roster. Siakam and OG now being a core to their respectable teams and got further into the playoffs, that to me also proved they can be a better team in a better supporting class.

[HumbleRen]

And replacing just one of them is enough? And they fit?
We are bottom on both end, will need two elite on offense with capable defense.

As for our previous core, I don't think the ceiling was a first round exist if construct better, and Barnes was a poor fit who has so little skill with no shooting to be a starter by default with the previous core.

I mean it doesn’t really matter what you think on it because their ceiling was a first round exit. In fact the only 2 games they actually won in the playoffs was when FVV wasn’t even available to play. They achieved nothing as the 3 best players.


As for the next core 3? I mean that’s a wait and see moment. That’s the point of a rebuild? Like if we land a top 3-4 pick, would you write off the rookie in their first year? No, you would have to give it time lol.

I think it is unfair just to claim what they can do with a bad roster. Siakam and OG now being a core to their respectable teams and got further into the playoffs, that to me also proved they can be a better team in a better supporting class.

I mean they’re slotted back in their rightful roles.

OG is a 4th option. Siakam is back in a 2nd option role.

OG has 2 all nba caliber players beside him and another fringe all star player in Mikal.

They’re not building around them, they’re fitting in on an already established team.

That was never going to happen here.

[Rapsalot]

Not sure we can tell. OG is just starting prime now next 3 years. FVV, PS were in prime. None of the current 3 are in prime. IQ certainly has not even played 82 games as 100% lead guard.

If we are trying to project I would say first group because of Def. IQ and RJ have not shown anything more than neutral on D.
In Playoffs you have to defend and I think individually and team Scottie is behind OG and IQ and RJ last of group. Now if SB, RJ and IQ are having hot night from 3 ok they win as I think they are all better than all but OG.


Sadly I think one of the current three needs to go for Money and being 2 way elite. If we get lucky this year pick anyone of top three and then trade one of current 3 for assets. I know fans will not like if we get C Flagg and it leads to RJ having to go but we are paying SB and IQ too much to not let RJ go and sign CF to Max down the road.
This is why I wanted each of SB and IQ to take 5 mi less a year to build team.
If we can extend Ochai I think you also have to decide on Gradey or Ja’Kobe longer term. Frankly we have far too many SGs and not enough depth at C, SF and PG assuming DM goes or is traded.

[LoveMyRaps]

SGA, Flagg & Scottie have the highest ceiling.

We got two years to become at least a 45 win team, if we want to convince SGA to join us in 2027.

[wegotthabeet]

SGA, Flagg & Scottie have the highest ceiling.

We got two years to become at least a 45 win team, if we want to convince SGA to join us in 2027.

Obviously this is pure fantasy, but OKC is going to become a tax team as soon as Chet & Williams re-sign and I’m not sure those two have a higher upside than a hypothetical Flagg & Barnes combo.

If there’s ever a superstar free agent that Toronto could have a minute chance of signing it’s Shai.

[Indeed]

I mean it doesn’t really matter what you think on it because their ceiling was a first round exit. In fact the only 2 games they actually won in the playoffs was when FVV wasn’t even available to play. They achieved nothing as the 3 best players.


As for the next core 3? I mean that’s a wait and see moment. That’s the point of a rebuild? Like if we land a top 3-4 pick, would you write off the rookie in their first year? No, you would have to give it time lol.

I think it is unfair just to claim what they can do with a bad roster. Siakam and OG now being a core to their respectable teams and got further into the playoffs, that to me also proved they can be a better team in a better supporting class.

I mean they’re slotted back in their rightful roles.

OG is a 4th option. Siakam is back in a 2nd option role.

OG has 2 all nba caliber players beside him and another fringe all star player in Mikal.

They’re not building around them, they’re fitting in on an already established team.

That was never going to happen here.

Not sure how this turn into "building around them", when they are clearly the core.
Meanwhile, wasn't OG bought in earlier than 2 other of their starters? So he is fitting in when he bought into the starting lineup first?
As for Siakam, wasn't Hali injured and Siakam was trying to carry the Pacers?

All I know is, those are part of the other core, and they simply do better than in Toronto and teams are willing to pay for that, their record also reflected on it.

If you claimed our record can only got to first round exit (fact), then they are now carrying their respective teams to the playoffs being part of their core (fact). There is nothing I can argue on your fact, neither there is anything you can argue on my fact.

[Vampirate]

Pretty much

Barnes = Siakam
IQ>FVV
OG>>>RJ

OG is easily the one that swings it in favor of the old core.

RJ just isn't good enough to truly be part of a core 3, but neither was FVV, and maybe not IQ

[HumbleRen]

I think it is unfair just to claim what they can do with a bad roster. Siakam and OG now being a core to their respectable teams and got further into the playoffs, that to me also proved they can be a better team in a better supporting class.

I mean they’re slotted back in their rightful roles.

OG is a 4th option. Siakam is back in a 2nd option role.

OG has 2 all nba caliber players beside him and another fringe all star player in Mikal.

They’re not building around them, they’re fitting in on an already established team.

That was never going to happen here.

Not sure how this turn into "building around them", when they are clearly the core.
Meanwhile, wasn't OG bought in earlier than 2 other of their starters? So he is fitting in when he bought into the starting lineup first?
As for Siakam, wasn't Hali injured and Siakam was trying to carry the Pacers?

All I know is, those are part of the other core, and they simply do better than in Toronto and teams are willing to pay for that, their record also reflected on it.

If you claimed our record can only got to first round exit (fact), then they are now carrying their respective teams to the playoffs being part of their core (fact). There is nothing I can argue on your fact, neither there is anything you can argue on my fact.

Carrying? Siakam is the 2nd best player on a team with someone who just made an all nba team lmao. OG is the 4th option averaging 15 bruh. These guys are not carrying anything, they joined established teams already.

Maybe search up the definition of what carrying is.

Perhaps take some literacy classes because you're moving the goalpost yet again. Individually can they be apart of a core who makes it past the 1st round? Of course they can. That's not what the question is though, the debate is if FVV, OG and Siakam can carry a team pass the first round as the clear cut 3 best players. They clearly can't.

[Indeed]

I mean they’re slotted back in their rightful roles.

OG is a 4th option. Siakam is back in a 2nd option role.

OG has 2 all nba caliber players beside him and another fringe all star player in Mikal.

They’re not building around them, they’re fitting in on an already established team.

That was never going to happen here.

Not sure how this turn into "building around them", when they are clearly the core.
Meanwhile, wasn't OG bought in earlier than 2 other of their starters? So he is fitting in when he bought into the starting lineup first?
As for Siakam, wasn't Hali injured and Siakam was trying to carry the Pacers?

All I know is, those are part of the other core, and they simply do better than in Toronto and teams are willing to pay for that, their record also reflected on it.

If you claimed our record can only got to first round exit (fact), then they are now carrying their respective teams to the playoffs being part of their core (fact). There is nothing I can argue on your fact, neither there is anything you can argue on my fact.

Carrying? Siakam is the 2nd best player on a team with someone who just made an all nba team lmao. OG is the 4th option averaging 15 bruh. These guys are not carrying anything, they joined established teams already.

Maybe search up the definition of what carrying is.

Perhaps take some literacy classes because you're moving the goalpost yet again. Individually can they be apart of a core who makes it past the 1st round? Of course they can. That's not what the question is though, the debate is if FVV, OG and Siakam can carry a team pass the first round as the clear cut 3 best players. They clearly can't.

Search up on the Pacers board to see who was carrying for the Pacers last playoffs, I did that and Hali just wasn't himself, it was Siakam.
OG is the 4th option? I thought he is the 3rd option, particularly against the Pacers, which is the same role he was as the Raptors.

Maybe you should do your research and point out why you have Siakam being #2 and OG being #4.

[HumbleRen]

Not sure how this turn into "building around them", when they are clearly the core.
Meanwhile, wasn't OG bought in earlier than 2 other of their starters? So he is fitting in when he bought into the starting lineup first?
As for Siakam, wasn't Hali injured and Siakam was trying to carry the Pacers?

All I know is, those are part of the other core, and they simply do better than in Toronto and teams are willing to pay for that, their record also reflected on it.

If you claimed our record can only got to first round exit (fact), then they are now carrying their respective teams to the playoffs being part of their core (fact). There is nothing I can argue on your fact, neither there is anything you can argue on my fact.

Carrying? Siakam is the 2nd best player on a team with someone who just made an all nba team lmao. OG is the 4th option averaging 15 bruh. These guys are not carrying anything, they joined established teams already.

Maybe search up the definition of what carrying is.

Perhaps take some literacy classes because you're moving the goalpost yet again. Individually can they be apart of a core who makes it past the 1st round? Of course they can. That's not what the question is though, the debate is if FVV, OG and Siakam can carry a team pass the first round as the clear cut 3 best players. They clearly can't.

Search up on the Pacers board to see who was carrying for the Pacers last playoffs, I did that and Hali just wasn't himself, it was Siakam.
OG is the 4th option? I thought he is the 3rd option, particularly against the Pacers, which is the same role he was as the Raptors.

Maybe you should do your research and point out why you have Siakam being #2 and OG being #4.

19/5/8 on 62% TS.
21/7/4 on 57% TS

Hali is putting up basically the same amount of points as him with 2X the assists on significantly better efficiency. This was the playoffs, that’s not Siakam carrying lmao.

OG put up 15/6/1 in the playoffs.
Donte - 18/4/2
Brunson - 32/8/3
Hart - 14.5/11/4.5
Alec Burks - 15/3/1

That’s not OG “carrying” that’s him playing his part.

That’s not me saying they’re bums, or that they aren’t important to their respective teams, they absolutely are but that’s completely different than thinking a team that pays 3 max contracts to OG, Siakam and FVV can be anything of worthwhile.

[CPT]

This may look like a difficult question, but it really isn’t. It’s just that the answer is depressing.

The Big 3 with RJ in it is worse. Because RJ is in it. And he’s bad.

Scottie + IQ + this year’s pick have a better chance, but will they fit together? Will that timeline make any sense?

[Vampirate]

This may look like a difficult question, but it really isn’t. It’s just that the answer is depressing.

The Big 3 with RJ in it is worse. Because RJ is in it. And he’s bad.

Scottie + IQ + this year’s pick have a better chance, but will they fit together? Will that timeline make any sense?

The answer is really dependant on the the prospect we get is worth building around or not, and how fast the prospect can get better.

Essentially the prospect has to be better than Barnes, which might take a couple of years, unless the prospect is like Paolo where they can score straight away.

Could be a Siakm/Barnes situation again, however the age gap is closer now.

[Indeed]

Carrying? Siakam is the 2nd best player on a team with someone who just made an all nba team lmao. OG is the 4th option averaging 15 bruh. These guys are not carrying anything, they joined established teams already.

Maybe search up the definition of what carrying is.

Perhaps take some literacy classes because you're moving the goalpost yet again. Individually can they be apart of a core who makes it past the 1st round? Of course they can. That's not what the question is though, the debate is if FVV, OG and Siakam can carry a team pass the first round as the clear cut 3 best players. They clearly can't.

Search up on the Pacers board to see who was carrying for the Pacers last playoffs, I did that and Hali just wasn't himself, it was Siakam.
OG is the 4th option? I thought he is the 3rd option, particularly against the Pacers, which is the same role he was as the Raptors.

Maybe you should do your research and point out why you have Siakam being #2 and OG being #4.

19/5/8 on 62% TS.
21/7/4 on 57% TS

Hali is putting up basically the same amount of points as him with 2X the assists on significantly better efficiency. This was the playoffs, that’s not Siakam carrying lmao.

OG put up 15/6/1 in the playoffs.
Donte - 18/4/2
Brunson - 32/8/3
Hart - 14.5/11/4.5
Alec Burks - 15/3/1

That’s not OG “carrying” that’s him playing his part.

That’s not me saying they’re bums, or that they aren’t important to their respective teams, they absolutely are but that’s completely different than thinking a team that pays 3 max contracts to OG, Siakam and FVV can be anything of worthwhile.

Thanks for proving my point that OG is the #3 option (Burk is not a starter), usage rate also suggested being the 3rd among starter of the Knicks in the playoffs.

As for Pacers, Siakam has the highest usage rate (25.2% in the playoffs, and the 3rd highest by 0.3% less compare to regular season) among starters in the playoffs. Please don't try to claim efficiency or TS%, because Turner and Nembhard has higher TS% as their starter, which doesn't seem they are the 1st and 2nd option, lol.

By the way, I watched those games on League Pass, it was a while back and I don't have good memory, but they were doing their part like they were in Toronto. Did you watch them play during the playoffs last year?

[Indeed]

This may look like a difficult question, but it really isn’t. It’s just that the answer is depressing.

The Big 3 with RJ in it is worse. Because RJ is in it. And he’s bad.

Scottie + IQ + this year’s pick have a better chance, but will they fit together? Will that timeline make any sense?

The answer is really dependant on the the prospect we get is worth building around or not, and how fast the prospect can get better.

Essentially the prospect has to be better than Barnes, which might take a couple of years, unless the prospect is like Paolo where they can score straight away.

Could be a Siakm/Barnes situation again, however the age gap is closer now.

The stats can be found on the missed games of Barrett if you believe it has to do with him.

And the truth is that we changed our system, where our defensive system was previously more passive, now we are going through screens for development. We also has no defensive players on the starting lineup, which every expect how bad our defense would be, yet, people complain and point at players. Why it was alright and got close game with the same player, then someone said him being the problem? Go figure.

[HumbleRen]

Search up on the Pacers board to see who was carrying for the Pacers last playoffs, I did that and Hali just wasn't himself, it was Siakam.
OG is the 4th option? I thought he is the 3rd option, particularly against the Pacers, which is the same role he was as the Raptors.

Maybe you should do your research and point out why you have Siakam being #2 and OG being #4.

19/5/8 on 62% TS.
21/7/4 on 57% TS

Hali is putting up basically the same amount of points as him with 2X the assists on significantly better efficiency. This was the playoffs, that’s not Siakam carrying lmao.

OG put up 15/6/1 in the playoffs.
Donte - 18/4/2
Brunson - 32/8/3
Hart - 14.5/11/4.5
Alec Burks - 15/3/1

That’s not OG “carrying” that’s him playing his part.

That’s not me saying they’re bums, or that they aren’t important to their respective teams, they absolutely are but that’s completely different than thinking a team that pays 3 max contracts to OG, Siakam and FVV can be anything of worthwhile.

Thanks for proving my point that OG is the #3 option (Burk is not a starter), usage rate also suggested being the 3rd among starter of the Knicks in the playoffs.

As for Pacers, Siakam has the highest usage rate (25.2% in the playoffs, and the 3rd highest by 0.3% less compare to regular season) among starters in the playoffs. Please don't try to claim efficiency or TS%, because Turner and Nembhard has higher TS% as their starter, which doesn't seem they are the 1st and 2nd option, lol.

By the way, I watched those games on League Pass, it was a while back and I don't have good memory, but they were doing their part like they were in Toronto. Did you watch them play during the playoffs last year?

Yeah you clearly don’t understand basketball lol. Nvm.