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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1141 » by LakerLegend » Sun Jan 12, 2025 9:35 am

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CobraCommander wrote:I think he is really good but let’s not over react- I want the wiz to land him but this ain’t wemby

He took the record from this guy who put up 41 as a rookie and then lit the league up -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Hanlan


Good player but it’s a long way from Duke to The NBA ask Kam, Rj and Zion


He’s a can’t miss prospect. He has no weaknesses. I have never seen a child (he was a child up until a month ago) get to the rim whenever he wants at will.


Isn't range his weakness?
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Post#1142 » by pipfan » Sun Jan 12, 2025 9:42 am

From what I've seen he looks like a great prospect. Of course, no Wemby or anything like that, but I think he has a good ceiling (All NBA, non-MVP type) and a very high floor (good starter at worst). To compare him to Zion, lower ceiling but higher floor. A very good #1 pick to get who could anchor a franchise and be very marketable for a decade
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Post#1143 » by akhan786 » Sun Jan 12, 2025 1:10 pm

He looked like Kawhi yesterday. That’s not Wemby or generational. But sign me up regardless if I have the #1 pick.
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Post#1144 » by Jcool0 » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:06 pm

pipfan wrote:From what I've seen he looks like a great prospect. Of course, no Wemby or anything like that, but I think he has a good ceiling (All NBA, non-MVP type) and a very high floor (good starter at worst). To compare him to Zion, lower ceiling but higher floor. A very good #1 pick to get who could anchor a franchise and be very marketable for a decade


You think a guy who just scored 42 points after turning 18 less then a month ago doesn't have MVP upside?
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1145 » by Jcool0 » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:16 pm

LakerLegend wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:I think he is really good but let’s not over react- I want the wiz to land him but this ain’t wemby

He took the record from this guy who put up 41 as a rookie and then lit the league up -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Hanlan


Good player but it’s a long way from Duke to The NBA ask Kam, Rj and Zion


He’s a can’t miss prospect. He has no weaknesses. I have never seen a child (he was a child up until a month ago) get to the rim whenever he wants at will.


Isn't range his weakness?


46% from 3 over his last 8 games on 3.5 attempts.
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1146 » by pipfan » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:18 pm

Jcool0 wrote:
pipfan wrote:From what I've seen he looks like a great prospect. Of course, no Wemby or anything like that, but I think he has a good ceiling (All NBA, non-MVP type) and a very high floor (good starter at worst). To compare him to Zion, lower ceiling but higher floor. A very good #1 pick to get who could anchor a franchise and be very marketable for a decade


You think a guy who just scored 42 points after turning 18 less then a month ago doesn't have MVP upside?

No, I don't see that kind of player, but who knows. Tatum would be a VERY good outcome for whoever drafts him, and Tatum won't win an MVP
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1147 » by CobraCommander » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:44 pm

Jcool0 wrote:
LakerLegend wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:
He’s a can’t miss prospect. He has no weaknesses. I have never seen a child (he was a child up until a month ago) get to the rim whenever he wants at will.


Isn't range his weakness?


46% from 3 over his last 8 games on 3.5 attempts.

Zion RJ and Kam were can’t miss- I showed you the guy that had the record before Flagg… there are no can’t miss guys

The NBA is a whole nother animal! Everyone of these guys is good- Flagg looks great but I am cautiously optimistic
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Post#1148 » by tmorgan » Sun Jan 12, 2025 5:11 pm

pipfan wrote:
Jcool0 wrote:
pipfan wrote:From what I've seen he looks like a great prospect. Of course, no Wemby or anything like that, but I think he has a good ceiling (All NBA, non-MVP type) and a very high floor (good starter at worst). To compare him to Zion, lower ceiling but higher floor. A very good #1 pick to get who could anchor a franchise and be very marketable for a decade


You think a guy who just scored 42 points after turning 18 less then a month ago doesn't have MVP upside?

No, I don't see that kind of player, but who knows. Tatum would be a VERY good outcome for whoever drafts him, and Tatum won't win an MVP


Except there’s no chance he turns into a player that’s similar to Tatum.

Flagg is a better athlete with better defensive instincts. If his offense doesn’t develop well, he’ll be a much lesser scorer than Tatum but likely a better facilitator. If his offense does pop, he’ll be his equal offensively. In either case, he’ll be a better, more physical defender.

All respect to Tatum, a great player, but Flagg is a better prospect. His range of outcomes (fully developed) compared to JT are slightly worse to considerably better — obviously the former is more likely, but still. In a non-Wemby world, that gives him a shot at a future MVP.
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Post#1149 » by FrodoBaggins » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:20 am

Cooper's Synergy Sports Tracking play-type stats (no passing):

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I like the post-up numbers. Siakam-like potential from the pivot.

PnR ball handler jumps to 0.98 ppp with passes included.
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Post#1150 » by tmorgan » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:35 am

Siakam-like offense with considerably better defense seems like a reasonable projection and a helluva player.
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Post#1151 » by DelAbbot » Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:09 am

Flagg's 3pt form at 18 is ahead of Siakam's 3pt form at 28, and he certainly doesn't shy from contact in the paint like Siakam

Flagg's closer to a Paolo Banchero with less handle and more defense
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Post#1152 » by TheProfessor » Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:12 am

Don't see a generational prospect; but definitely one of the highest floors I have seen from a player. He is kind of like a Evan Mobley, Markelle Fultz level prospect. When you seem them, your like "Yep! This guy is destined to be a top 10-15 player for a long time at minimum"

The only thing that really holds him back, from me saying he would be a consistent MVP player is that he isn't a freak/unicorn. Like Embiid/Jokic/SGA/Giannis/Wemby/AD. I don't see League-altering talent from him.
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1153 » by JustBuzzin » Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:16 am

Put this guy with LaMelo/Miller/Mark in Charlotte he fits like a glove.
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Post#1154 » by Ruma85 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:51 am

JustBuzzin wrote:Put this guy with LaMelo/Miller/Mark in Charlotte he fits like a glove.


It would be a beautiful thing to watch..
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Post#1155 » by SNPA » Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:56 am

Not being a Wemby level prospect should not be a statement. Of course, it’s obvious. Flagg is not going to be a top ten player all time, but he can be a hell of a player and worth a first pick in many drafts. The kid is a stud, maybe he is or isn’t a first option in a championship team…still a stud.
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1156 » by AlexanderRight » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:26 am

Just saw the 36 piece he done dropped. Dat boi can hoop. Whoever gets him got a real talent on his hands.
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1157 » by Rainwater » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:27 am

TheProfessor wrote:Don't see a generational prospect; but definitely one of the highest floors I have seen from a player. He is kind of like a Evan Mobley, Markelle Fultz level prospect. When you seem them, your like "Yep! This guy is destined to be a top 10-15 player for a long time at minimum"

The only thing that really holds him back, from me saying he would be a consistent MVP player is that he isn't a freak/unicorn. Like Embiid/Jokic/SGA/Giannis/Wemby/AD. I don't see League-altering talent from him.


Other than Wemby and maybe AD none of these guys were considered freak unicorns until they got into the league. Hell, Joker was drafted in second round.
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Post#1158 » by Rainwater » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:30 am

SNPA wrote:Not being a Wemby level prospect should not be a statement. Of course, it’s obvious. Flagg is not going to be a top ten player all time, but he can be a hell of a player and worth a first pick in many drafts. The kid is a stud, maybe he is or isn’t a first option in a championship team…still a stud.


Pretty sure he will be a first option. Most times when you drafting first overall, unless it’s poor draft class, you are expecting a star to build around.
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Re: Cooper Flagg 

Post#1159 » by TheProfessor » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:47 am

Rainwater wrote:
TheProfessor wrote:Don't see a generational prospect; but definitely one of the highest floors I have seen from a player. He is kind of like a Evan Mobley, Markelle Fultz level prospect. When you seem them, your like "Yep! This guy is destined to be a top 10-15 player for a long time at minimum"

The only thing that really holds him back, from me saying he would be a consistent MVP player is that he isn't a freak/unicorn. Like Embiid/Jokic/SGA/Giannis/Wemby/AD. I don't see League-altering talent from him.


Other than Wemby and maybe AD none of these guys were considered freak unicorns until they got into the league. Hell, Joker was drafted in second round.


I am not referring to them, as prospects but as players. To win MVP or be in the conversations nowadays, you have to be a freak and alter the league. I don't see anything any physical tools or skillset from Flagg that I am like woah, I have never seen that or reminds of ATG. That's why I don't project him to be a serious MVP threat or even top 5 consistently. He's more like a back top 6-10 guy, in that Franz Wagner/Jaren Jackson/Mobley. '

Also when Embiid was definitely a freak to me at least, no 7ft'er should ever be that big, skilled and light on his feet at the same time. He looked like Hakeem 2.0, the reason he dropped in the draft was because of his injury or else he would have been a generational prospect as well.
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Post#1160 » by Chokic » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:51 am

TheProfessor wrote:Don't see a generational prospect; but definitely one of the highest floors I have seen from a player. He is kind of like a Evan Mobley, Markelle Fultz level prospect. When you seem them, your like "Yep! This guy is destined to be a top 10-15 player for a long time at minimum"

The only thing that really holds him back, from me saying he would be a consistent MVP player is that he isn't a freak/unicorn. Like Embiid/Jokic/SGA/Giannis/Wemby/AD. I don't see League-altering talent from him.




Getting a future top 10 caliber player from the 1st pick is a really good deal for any draft.

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