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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Bucks: ROAD KILL CAUGHT IN MSG 

Post#121 » by The KnicksFix » Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:57 am

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So let me understand in the last few years when thibs had a bench of IQ, divo, deuce, hart, ihart he didn’t use them? See how stupid this sounds? When thibs has good enough players and depth he plays his bench.


Four of those 5 were also starters much of their time (IQ when JB was injured).


And yet they weren’t they all played significant minutes off the bench in fact IQ should have won 6th man award. Again your narrative is wrong, if thibs had quality players off the bench he’d use them, in fact knicks bench has often been there strength. However what Leon and co decided was they gave up depth to create a more talented starting 5 leaving less talent on the bench. Not thibs fault. Again it’s stupid to say if thibs had bench depth he wouldn’t utilize it


IQ did not see significant minutes until the end of his second year, thibs legit had him playing behind elf Payton. Divo did not see the light of day until grimes was injured last year. Ihart did not see the light of day or the minutes until Mitch was injured. He was playing behind both Mitch and sims. Deuce was only one of those 4 who was given the chance because he had to absolutely shine in the G league for an entire season before even being given a shot.

The point we are all trying to make is, we are very thin. We can’t risk injury to ANY of the current starting 5. But with the amounts he chooses to play them, we are headed down that road because of a refusal to let the bench grow with development.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Bucks: ROAD KILL CAUGHT IN MSG 

Post#122 » by RHODEY » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:03 am

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Besart19 wrote:Mikal must be traded folks... we have to deal with that... then wait and see for one of Achiuwa or Mitch


Yeswe should trade the last 2 games for his December averages.


his shooting is worse than JR's... you cant count on that during the playoffs... you arent allowed to fail there...

the playoffs are a russian roulette

His shooting in December is worse than JR's? I highly doubt that.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Bucks: ROAD KILL CAUGHT IN MSG 

Post#123 » by Luv those Knicks » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:16 am

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Luv those Knicks wrote:I'll say one thing that's different this year.

Past years, we knew we weren't top tier. Even when we were a playoff team, we know we weren't one of the top 4 teams in the league. It wasn't even a conversation.

OK, when we got OG and went on that 18-3 run or whatever it was and I-Hart was playing well . . . maybe we thought we were top 4 before the injuries.

This year, say what you will, but fans are mad that we're not top 4. That doesn't happen unless we're close. Top tier is within our grasp. People are finding flaws. They found flaws in 93 when we won 60 games but lost to the unbeataBULLS. They found flaws when we made it to the finals in 1994. We've never been the best, well, not since Walt Frazier was running the show. But this is as close as we've been in a long time. Maybe we're closer now than we were in those peak Ewing years, 93 and 94 or 99 when the East was kind of weak and the best teams we had to get past were the Heat and Pacers.


No no no and no.

This is wishful thinking after a win.

We have a very thin bench and a coach who just plays his "guys." Very bad combination.

Second round team at best.

OKC = DEEP
Houston = DEEP
Celtics = DEEP
CAVS = DEEP

These are the top 4 teams in the league. A key player can get injured on the roster and they have someone to step up and contribute. We dont have that.


I don't entirely disagree with you, but I think playoffs allow for adjustments and when we get Mitch back, we'll have a bit more. WIll Thibs be good in the playoffs? I don't know. Will they play better defense in the playoffs? I hope so. Yes, we're more prone to injury being thinner and yes, we're so far 0-5 against the 4 teams you mentioned.

I still think we're closer to the title than we've been in a really long time, maybe closer than we were during the peak Ewing years and I think a lot of the complaints are because we're one move or one player away - and not even a star, but a role player away. A Josh Hart type of trade away from running with the top dogs.

No more draft picks to trade hurts. Being up against the Apron hurts. I still think they have a chance and they're closer than most fans give them credit for, but that doesn't take away from your post, because those are concerns.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Bucks: ROAD KILL CAUGHT IN MSG 

Post#124 » by WaltFrazier » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:21 am

Missed the game, watched the 12 minutes highlight recap which doesn't show enough. Wally Szerbiak said in postgame OG is a good match for Giannis. Did OG guard him most of the time?

Great to see Payne hitting 3s again that's been missing. Also looked like Deuce was better?

Heard Clyde say a couple times Mikal not even looking at the basket. Long term that's not good
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Bucks: ROAD KILL CAUGHT IN MSG 

Post#125 » by Besart19 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:11 am

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Yeswe should trade the last 2 games for his December averages.


his shooting is worse than JR's... you cant count on that during the playoffs... you arent allowed to fail there...

the playoffs are a russian roulette

His shooting in December is worse than JR's? I highly doubt that.


his shooting in general... rollercoaster
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Bucks: ROAD KILL CAUGHT IN MSG 

Post#127 » by spree2kawhi » Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:35 am

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his shooting is worse than JR's... you cant count on that during the playoffs... you arent allowed to fail there...

the playoffs are a russian roulette

His shooting in December is worse than JR's? I highly doubt that.


his shooting in general... rollercoaster

Seriously, this is just laughable.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Bucks: ROAD KILL CAUGHT IN MSG 

Post#128 » by GettinitDone » Mon Jan 13, 2025 12:29 pm

JB must lead the L in going to the locker room to scare Knicks fans of a potentially serious injury, then coming back out to play
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Post#129 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:00 pm

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GettinitDone wrote:Watched the highlights..

Still not a fan of the offense... one pass and the guy who "decides" to score basically go iso and the other 4 guys just watch, still too much dribbling... it's not a team offense but a "your turn, my turn" offense at a very high level that duped us into thinking it's a team offense. Usually only the passer and 1-2 other guys who wants to get the ball move, the other 2-3 teammates stand and watch.

I think this offense is going to continually get exposed by the real contenders: Thunder, Celtics, Cavs.

Enough being ecstatic after wins against the mid or bottom feeding teams. I want us to beat the top teams, 0-5 vs Thunder, Rockets, Celtics, Cavs (top 2 teams of each conference).

The expectations are now elevated and people still get upset if you write something like this.

We are supposed to be contending for a title and people will call you a hater for writing something like this.

Let’s be happy about winning, yes, but let’s also look at the bigger picture.


Absolutely, but to their credit I think the Knicks fans are getting more mature and they've learned we're only legitimate title contenders when we beat the top teams, and so far in the season we haven't.

We are more intelligent than we think we are, and we get shoved down a product advertised to be top quality but it's anything but down our throats, we're starting to reject until we're served the right product.

Imo, last year's team with the right levels of energy and vibes set the standard, but the energy and vibes are lost with departure of iHart and Divo... imo a team with 8 level talent but with the right levels of energy and vibes are always going to beat and more exciting for fans to watch and root for >>>> a team with 9+ level talent but with so so/ mediocre levels of energy and vibes. IHart and Divo are imo 2 of the best in the L at raising team's energy and vibes with their attitude, fight, and plays.

They're ultimate glue guys, we're missing the vibes raiser, we need to get 1-2 via trades.


Apparently we are supposed to be the best team in the league after less than three months. Maybe the fans that need to mature are the ones who think that. CLE/OKC/BOS have been together for years. Things take time. We are top 5 in the entire league. Not good enough? :lol:
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Bucks: ROAD KILL CAUGHT IN MSG 

Post#130 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:19 pm

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Luv those Knicks wrote:I'll say one thing that's different this year.

Past years, we knew we weren't top tier. Even when we were a playoff team, we know we weren't one of the top 4 teams in the league. It wasn't even a conversation.

OK, when we got OG and went on that 18-3 run or whatever it was and I-Hart was playing well . . . maybe we thought we were top 4 before the injuries.

This year, say what you will, but fans are mad that we're not top 4. That doesn't happen unless we're close. Top tier is within our grasp. People are finding flaws. They found flaws in 93 when we won 60 games but lost to the unbeataBULLS. They found flaws when we made it to the finals in 1994. We've never been the best, well, not since Walt Frazier was running the show. But this is as close as we've been in a long time. Maybe we're closer now than we were in those peak Ewing years, 93 and 94 or 99 when the East was kind of weak and the best teams we had to get past were the Heat and Pacers.


No no no and no.

This is wishful thinking after a win.

We have a very thin bench and a coach who just plays his "guys." Very bad combination.

Second round team at best.

OKC = DEEP
Houston = DEEP
Celtics = DEEP
CAVS = DEEP

These are the top 4 teams in the league. A key player can get injured on the roster and they have someone to step up and contribute. We dont have that.


Lose 1 or 2 starters and it unravels very fast because Thibs has not built up the talent on the bench the FO gave him to nurture. There is only one guy there who can probably step in cold and fill their role competently and reliably and that's Kolek. But Hukporti and Dadiet are not learning on the job and won't be ready when someone goes down. Waiting on Mitch is not the answer.


Thibs isn't playing rookies in their first year right away. Might not even play them at all in the regular rotation. The fact that we haven't had a healthy bench all year should have made room for a rookie or two to get some burn but, Thibs.

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Precious was the projected bench until Mitch gets back. They have all missed time. Significant time. We have had all four healthy for a total of 5 games this year. We won all 5 of those games I believe.

Yesterday we ran an 8 man rotation. Payne/Deuce/Precious played 32 minutes in the first half and scored 20 pts. That's what we need from the bench. The starters were all fresh for the second half as a result. We cruised to victory. This is the bench production we need to keep from breaking down or losing steam in the 4th qtr.

If/when Mitch gets back we will be deeper. Thibs will have too many options to run players into the ground but, whether or not he uses them will be the question. The team, needs to stay healthy and even then, we do not have the continuity or chemistry that CLE/BOS/OKC has. It will be a tough run to win a chip but, it's not entirely out of the question. We just need to keep developing the chemistry up amd down the roster and to avoid serious injuries.
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Post#131 » by WaltFrazier » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:23 pm

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Post#132 » by WaltFrazier » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:26 pm

No one over 40 minutes I see. Huk even got 5, everyone but Sims. Was Jericho out injured, he's not in the boxscore at all?
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Post#133 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:28 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:Missed the game, watched the 12 minutes highlight recap which doesn't show enough. Wally Szerbiak said in postgame OG is a good match for Giannis. Did OG guard him most of the time?

Great to see Payne hitting 3s again that's been missing. Also looked like Deuce was better?

Heard Clyde say a couple times Mikal not even looking at the basket. Long term that's not good


When a player contributes without looking to score that's fine. We didn't even need him to score. Brunson was cooking their defense the entire game. KAT was getting his in rhythm. The bench was scoring as well. It was good balance on offense and Mikal/OG played good defense.

Tl;Dr? Mikal was fine.
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Post#134 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:31 pm

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Post#135 » by Fury » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:34 pm

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Hes_On_Fire wrote:The expectations are now elevated and people still get upset if you write something like this.

We are supposed to be contending for a title and people will call you a hater for writing something like this.

Let’s be happy about winning, yes, but let’s also look at the bigger picture.


Absolutely, but to their credit I think the Knicks fans are getting more mature and they've learned we're only legitimate title contenders when we beat the top teams, and so far in the season we haven't.

We are more intelligent than we think we are, and we get shoved down a product advertised to be top quality but it's anything but down our throats, we're starting to reject until we're served the right product.

Imo, last year's team with the right levels of energy and vibes set the standard, but the energy and vibes are lost with departure of iHart and Divo... imo a team with 8 level talent but with the right levels of energy and vibes are always going to beat and more exciting for fans to watch and root for >>>> a team with 9+ level talent but with so so/ mediocre levels of energy and vibes. IHart and Divo are imo 2 of the best in the L at raising team's energy and vibes with their attitude, fight, and plays.

They're ultimate glue guys, we're missing the vibes raiser, we need to get 1-2 via trades.


Apparently we are supposed to be the best team in the league after less than three months. Maybe the fans that need to mature are the ones who think that. CLE/OKC/BOS have been together for years. Things take time. We are top 5 in the entire league. Not good enough? :lol:


The year Boston first made it to the Finals, weren't they like .500 through January?
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Post#136 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:40 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:No one over 40 minutes I see. Huk even got 5, everyone but Sims. Was Jericho out injured, he's not in the boxscore at all?


We were up 28 pts in the fourth and he started to empty the bench around 6 minutes left. No one cares about Sims. :lol:
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Bucks: ROAD KILL CAUGHT IN MSG 

Post#137 » by Jalen Bluntson » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:49 pm

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Absolutely, but to their credit I think the Knicks fans are getting more mature and they've learned we're only legitimate title contenders when we beat the top teams, and so far in the season we haven't.

We are more intelligent than we think we are, and we get shoved down a product advertised to be top quality but it's anything but down our throats, we're starting to reject until we're served the right product.

Imo, last year's team with the right levels of energy and vibes set the standard, but the energy and vibes are lost with departure of iHart and Divo... imo a team with 8 level talent but with the right levels of energy and vibes are always going to beat and more exciting for fans to watch and root for >>>> a team with 9+ level talent but with so so/ mediocre levels of energy and vibes. IHart and Divo are imo 2 of the best in the L at raising team's energy and vibes with their attitude, fight, and plays.

They're ultimate glue guys, we're missing the vibes raiser, we need to get 1-2 via trades.


Apparently we are supposed to be the best team in the league after less than three months. Maybe the fans that need to mature are the ones who think that. CLE/OKC/BOS have been together for years. Things take time. We are top 5 in the entire league. Not good enough? :lol:


The year Boston first made it to the Finals, weren't they like .500 through January?


Beats the shyt out of me.

I know we were 23-17 at this point last year. We went on a 9 game win streak after losing to ORL 1/15. Julius and OG played their last game together on 1/27. The Knicks won 3 more without them and finished that run at 32-17.

We are currently 26-14. We are getting our bench back healthy. Mitch is on the horizon. We are the 3 seed and we just trashed the 4 seed for the second time this year. We beat up the 5 seed 3 times this year. Now we need to get better and beat the top 4 teams. I'm happy with the progress.
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Re: PG: Knicks vs. Bucks: ROAD KILL CAUGHT IN MSG 

Post#138 » by Guano » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:51 pm

tbh, what guaranteed this win was sham popping up in the last pg thread. he came around to relish in the collected misery then the next game they get a win.
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Post#139 » by Fury » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:53 pm

Guano wrote:tbh, what guaranteed this win was sham popping up in the last pg thread. he came around to relish in the collected misery then the next game they get a win.


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Post#140 » by Guano » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:59 pm

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Guano wrote:tbh, what guaranteed this win was sham popping up in the last pg thread. he came around to relish in the collected misery then the next game they get a win.


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