PG: Knicks vs. Bucks: ROAD KILL CAUGHT IN MSG

[Clyde_Style]

No no no and no.

This is wishful thinking after a win.

We have a very thin bench and a coach who just plays his "guys." Very bad combination.

Second round team at best.

OKC = DEEP
Houston = DEEP
Celtics = DEEP
CAVS = DEEP

These are the top 4 teams in the league. A key player can get injured on the roster and they have someone to step up and contribute. We dont have that.

Lose 1 or 2 starters and it unravels very fast because Thibs has not built up the talent on the bench the FO gave him to nurture. There is only one guy there who can probably step in cold and fill their role competently and reliably and that's Kolek. But Hukporti and Dadiet are not learning on the job and won't be ready when someone goes down. Waiting on Mitch is not the answer.

Thibs isn't playing rookies in their first year right away. Might not even play them at all in the regular rotation. The fact that we haven't had a healthy bench all year should have made room for a rookie or two to get some burn but, Thibs.

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Precious was the projected bench until Mitch gets back. They have all missed time. Significant time. We have had all four healthy for a total of 5 games this year. We won all 5 of those games I believe.

Yesterday we ran an 8 man rotation. Payne/Deuce/Precious played 32 minutes in the first half and scored 20 pts. That's what we need from the bench. The starters were all fresh for the second half as a result. We cruised to victory. This is the bench production we need to keep from breaking down or losing steam in the 4th qtr.

If/when Mitch gets back we will be deeper. Thibs will have too many options to run players into the ground but, whether or not he uses them will be the question. The team, needs to stay healthy and even then, we do not have the continuity or chemistry that CLE/BOS/OKC has. It will be a tough run to win a chip but, it's not entirely out of the question. We just need to keep developing the chemistry up amd down the roster and to avoid serious injuries.

You just scripted the perfect sequence of events which never manifests that way under Thibs management. The Knicks are grinding themselves into a hole they won't get out of. Not priming the rookie talent. Last year's playoffs was all grit and short-handed heroics. That is not the scenario we should want, but it is exactly what it is shaping up to become. It will lead to an early exit. Under Thibs guidance we will never be a true contender.

[Wildcat]

Lose 1 or 2 starters and it unravels very fast because Thibs has not built up the talent on the bench the FO gave him to nurture. There is only one guy there who can probably step in cold and fill their role competently and reliably and that's Kolek. But Hukporti and Dadiet are not learning on the job and won't be ready when someone goes down. Waiting on Mitch is not the answer.

Thibs isn't playing rookies in their first year right away. Might not even play them at all in the regular rotation. The fact that we haven't had a healthy bench all year should have made room for a rookie or two to get some burn but, Thibs.

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Precious was the projected bench until Mitch gets back. They have all missed time. Significant time. We have had all four healthy for a total of 5 games this year. We won all 5 of those games I believe.

Yesterday we ran an 8 man rotation. Payne/Deuce/Precious played 32 minutes in the first half and scored 20 pts. That's what we need from the bench. The starters were all fresh for the second half as a result. We cruised to victory. This is the bench production we need to keep from breaking down or losing steam in the 4th qtr.

If/when Mitch gets back we will be deeper. Thibs will have too many options to run players into the ground but, whether or not he uses them will be the question. The team, needs to stay healthy and even then, we do not have the continuity or chemistry that CLE/BOS/OKC has. It will be a tough run to win a chip but, it's not entirely out of the question. We just need to keep developing the chemistry up amd down the roster and to avoid serious injuries.

You just scripted the perfect sequence of events which never manifests that way under Thibs management. The Knicks are grinding themselves into a hole they won't get out of. Not priming the rookie talent. Last year's playoffs was all grit and short-handed heroics. That is not the scenario we should want, but it is exactly what it is shaping up to become. It will lead to an early exit. Under Thibs guidance we will never be a true contender.

I'm pro-trial by fire. I think it's a mistake not developing bench cohesion the same way he's trying with the starters.

[TheGreenArrow]

Lose 1 or 2 starters and it unravels very fast because Thibs has not built up the talent on the bench the FO gave him to nurture. There is only one guy there who can probably step in cold and fill their role competently and reliably and that's Kolek. But Hukporti and Dadiet are not learning on the job and won't be ready when someone goes down. Waiting on Mitch is not the answer.

Thibs isn't playing rookies in their first year right away. Might not even play them at all in the regular rotation. The fact that we haven't had a healthy bench all year should have made room for a rookie or two to get some burn but, Thibs.

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Precious was the projected bench until Mitch gets back. They have all missed time. Significant time. We have had all four healthy for a total of 5 games this year. We won all 5 of those games I believe.

Yesterday we ran an 8 man rotation. Payne/Deuce/Precious played 32 minutes in the first half and scored 20 pts. That's what we need from the bench. The starters were all fresh for the second half as a result. We cruised to victory. This is the bench production we need to keep from breaking down or losing steam in the 4th qtr.

If/when Mitch gets back we will be deeper. Thibs will have too many options to run players into the ground but, whether or not he uses them will be the question. The team, needs to stay healthy and even then, we do not have the continuity or chemistry that CLE/BOS/OKC has. It will be a tough run to win a chip but, it's not entirely out of the question. We just need to keep developing the chemistry up amd down the roster and to avoid serious injuries.

You just scripted the perfect sequence of events which never manifests that way under Thibs management. The Knicks are grinding themselves into a hole they won't get out of. Not priming the rookie talent. Last year's playoffs was all grit and short-handed heroics. That is not the scenario we should want, but it is exactly what it is shaping up to become. It will lead to an early exit. Under Thibs guidance we will never be a true contender.

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[FrozenEnvelope]

It's a shame so many here disrespect and take Brunson for granted. Wish I could drop all of you in the middle of those wild fires!

[Jalen Bluntson]

Lose 1 or 2 starters and it unravels very fast because Thibs has not built up the talent on the bench the FO gave him to nurture. There is only one guy there who can probably step in cold and fill their role competently and reliably and that's Kolek. But Hukporti and Dadiet are not learning on the job and won't be ready when someone goes down. Waiting on Mitch is not the answer.

Thibs isn't playing rookies in their first year right away. Might not even play them at all in the regular rotation. The fact that we haven't had a healthy bench all year should have made room for a rookie or two to get some burn but, Thibs.

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Precious was the projected bench until Mitch gets back. They have all missed time. Significant time. We have had all four healthy for a total of 5 games this year. We won all 5 of those games I believe.

Yesterday we ran an 8 man rotation. Payne/Deuce/Precious played 32 minutes in the first half and scored 20 pts. That's what we need from the bench. The starters were all fresh for the second half as a result. We cruised to victory. This is the bench production we need to keep from breaking down or losing steam in the 4th qtr.

If/when Mitch gets back we will be deeper. Thibs will have too many options to run players into the ground but, whether or not he uses them will be the question. The team, needs to stay healthy and even then, we do not have the continuity or chemistry that CLE/BOS/OKC has. It will be a tough run to win a chip but, it's not entirely out of the question. We just need to keep developing the chemistry up amd down the roster and to avoid serious injuries.

You just scripted the perfect sequence of events which never manifests that way under Thibs management. The Knicks are grinding themselves into a hole they won't get out of. Not priming the rookie talent. Last year's playoffs was all grit and short-handed heroics. That is not the scenario we should want, but it is exactly what it is shaping up to become. It will lead to an early exit. Under Thibs guidance we will never be a true contender.

Well...we will have the depth soon enough. Tonight will be the sixth game we have had 4/5 of our bench healthy all year. Let that sink in. Thibs should have had the rookies help but, we managed to survive mostly in tact so far in spite of his lunacy. I'm trying to look forward.

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Precious should ALL be seeing 16-20 mpg on avg. Whoever is hot gets more minutes. They need to get 20mpg each to really help keep the starting 5 fresh for the end of games and the year. When Mitch comes back he will have an entire bench lineup to use. My opinion we need at least 80+mpg from the bench and around 40ppg. We can beat anyone with that production.

We will see what Thibs does going forward. If he insists on 8 man rotations those three bench players need around 30 mpg and they have to hold the fort or better while the starters are getting proper rest. However that has to happen. If he can't find 80mpg and 40ppg for the bench something has to happen to fix that scenario. We shall see.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Thibs isn't playing rookies in their first year right away. Might not even play them at all in the regular rotation. The fact that we haven't had a healthy bench all year should have made room for a rookie or two to get some burn but, Thibs.

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Precious was the projected bench until Mitch gets back. They have all missed time. Significant time. We have had all four healthy for a total of 5 games this year. We won all 5 of those games I believe.

Yesterday we ran an 8 man rotation. Payne/Deuce/Precious played 32 minutes in the first half and scored 20 pts. That's what we need from the bench. The starters were all fresh for the second half as a result. We cruised to victory. This is the bench production we need to keep from breaking down or losing steam in the 4th qtr.

If/when Mitch gets back we will be deeper. Thibs will have too many options to run players into the ground but, whether or not he uses them will be the question. The team, needs to stay healthy and even then, we do not have the continuity or chemistry that CLE/BOS/OKC has. It will be a tough run to win a chip but, it's not entirely out of the question. We just need to keep developing the chemistry up amd down the roster and to avoid serious injuries.

You just scripted the perfect sequence of events which never manifests that way under Thibs management. The Knicks are grinding themselves into a hole they won't get out of. Not priming the rookie talent. Last year's playoffs was all grit and short-handed heroics. That is not the scenario we should want, but it is exactly what it is shaping up to become. It will lead to an early exit. Under Thibs guidance we will never be a true contender.

I'm pro-trial by fire. I think it's a mistake not developing bench cohesion the same way he's trying with the starters.

Thibs just isn't going to trust rookies. We haven't had much else on the bench at any point this season. It was unheard of for 3/5 of our primary bench players healthy at the same time most of the year.

I agree we should have given them way more opportunity but, Thibs. I'm over it. Maybe they would have been better, maybe they would have sucked ass cracks and ball sacks. We now have 4/5 of our vet bench healthy. There is no excuse moving forward so long as we stay healthy. Saving the best for last with Mitch. Fingers crossed. If we see a lot of the rookies from here on our, something went wrong. Either that or we are having plenty of blowout wins!

[RHODEY]

his shooting is worse than JR's... you cant count on that during the playoffs... you arent allowed to fail there...

the playoffs are a russian roulette

His shooting in December is worse than JR's? I highly doubt that.

his shooting in general... rollercoaster

one month versus 2 games....not worried at all.

[seren]

I watched the first half and had to leave the house. How did Payne end up playing only 14 minutes? He had an excellent first half. How about McBride? He had to sub in for Brunson but only ended up with 20 minutes? Thibs seems to be taking things to the next level just to find excuses not to play the bench. 36 point blowout yet you had starters play 40 minutes more than the opponent? Amazing

[Jalen Bluntson]

I watched the first half and had to leave the house. How did Payne end up playing only 14 minutes? He had an excellent first half. How about McBride? He had to sub in for Brunson but only ended up with 20 minutes? Thibs seems to be taking things to the next level just to find excuses not to play the bench. 36 point blowout yet you had starters play 40 minutes more than the opponent? Amazing

In Thibs defense, he's a moron but, yeah.

[thebuzzardman]

It's a shame so many here disrespect and take Brunson for granted. Wish I could drop all of you in the middle of those wild fires!

RealGM Knicks Extra Crispy.

Luckily, more positive posters like me will stay Original Recipe.

[thebuzzardman]

Here's a handy guide for how the Knicks are officiated.

Any Knick, but particularly Brunson and KAT, get fouled it is "Incidental Contact" play on
Any opponent, particularly a "star", and any contact at all is called a personal foul on the Knick defender.
And all that is X10 when it's Giannis
Oh, and traveling isn't called on Giannis, like LeBron got two or three opportunities a game to travel.

[prophet_of_rage]

JB must lead the L in going to the locker room to scare Knicks fans of a potentially serious injury, then coming back out to play

That's how he gets rest. Watch the roommates podcast. They actually let out a lot of little secrets.

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[Wildcat]

You just scripted the perfect sequence of events which never manifests that way under Thibs management. The Knicks are grinding themselves into a hole they won't get out of. Not priming the rookie talent. Last year's playoffs was all grit and short-handed heroics. That is not the scenario we should want, but it is exactly what it is shaping up to become. It will lead to an early exit. Under Thibs guidance we will never be a true contender.

I'm pro-trial by fire. I think it's a mistake not developing bench cohesion the same way he's trying with the starters.

Thibs just isn't going to trust rookies. We haven't had much else on the bench at any point this season. It was unheard of for 3/5 of our primary bench players healthy at the same time most of the year.

I agree we should have given them way more opportunity but, Thibs. I'm over it. Maybe they would have been better, maybe they would have sucked ass cracks and ball sacks. We now have 4/5 of our vet bench healthy. There is no excuse moving forward so long as we stay healthy. Saving the best for last with Mitch. Fingers crossed. If we see a lot of the rookies from here on our, something went wrong. Either that or we are having plenty of blowout wins!

At a certain point you're not going to be able to afford these vets, though. No certainty Payne or Precious are here next season. Like, after watching Shamet, I can't see why he's getting time over one of the rookies. Something with Ryan.

[Wildcat]

I watched the first half and had to leave the house. How did Payne end up playing only 14 minutes? He had an excellent first half. How about McBride? He had to sub in for Brunson but only ended up with 20 minutes? Thibs seems to be taking things to the next level just to find excuses not to play the bench. 36 point blowout yet you had starters play 40 minutes more than the opponent? Amazing

This, indeed, frustrated me. I don't know why Thibs played the starters the entire 3rd quarter (more or less) and when JB got hurt, instead of Payne coming in, it was Deuce, who we know full well can't run the offense.

But then, before all that went down, Thibs kept the hot hand (Payne) in with the starters at the end of the 2nd quarter, which was a welcome surprise.

This is genuinely confusing to me. It's like bipolar coaching.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I'm pro-trial by fire. I think it's a mistake not developing bench cohesion the same way he's trying with the starters.

Thibs just isn't going to trust rookies. We haven't had much else on the bench at any point this season. It was unheard of for 3/5 of our primary bench players healthy at the same time most of the year.

I agree we should have given them way more opportunity but, Thibs. I'm over it. Maybe they would have been better, maybe they would have sucked ass cracks and ball sacks. We now have 4/5 of our vet bench healthy. There is no excuse moving forward so long as we stay healthy. Saving the best for last with Mitch. Fingers crossed. If we see a lot of the rookies from here on our, something went wrong. Either that or we are having plenty of blowout wins!

At a certain point you're not going to be able to afford these vets, though. No certainty Payne or Precious are here next season. Like, after watching Shamet, I can't see why he's getting time over one of the rookies. Something with Ryan.

At a certain point we may have to fire the HC. I am not defending his actions but, at no point have I've seen any of these rookies deserve a full time role either. You want it? Take it. Thibs isn't just giving it away. They have deserved more of a chance than they were given though. Sadly, that means nothing around here.

[Gravy]

It's a shame so many here disrespect and take Brunson for granted. Wish I could drop all of you in the middle of those wild fires!

They want him benched for Kolek who is better!

[Wildcat]

Thibs just isn't going to trust rookies. We haven't had much else on the bench at any point this season. It was unheard of for 3/5 of our primary bench players healthy at the same time most of the year.

I agree we should have given them way more opportunity but, Thibs. I'm over it. Maybe they would have been better, maybe they would have sucked ass cracks and ball sacks. We now have 4/5 of our vet bench healthy. There is no excuse moving forward so long as we stay healthy. Saving the best for last with Mitch. Fingers crossed. If we see a lot of the rookies from here on our, something went wrong. Either that or we are having plenty of blowout wins!

At a certain point you're not going to be able to afford these vets, though. No certainty Payne or Precious are here next season. Like, after watching Shamet, I can't see why he's getting time over one of the rookies. Something with Ryan.

At a certain point we may have to fire the HC. I am not defending his actions but, at no point have I've seen any of these rookies deserve a full time role either. You want it? Take it. Thibs isn't just giving it away. They have deserved more of a chance than they were given though. Sadly, that means nothing around here.

That's the thing. From what we've seen from Ariel for example, I can't imagine he'd be worse than Sims, despite the borderline playability Sims had recently before Precious was back in. And I still don't know what Ryan or Shamet provides that Dadiet can't be taught to do. Like, Payne -- who has been in the league for a few years -- up until recently looked spooked out there, which I assume it's because of that out of nowhere bench a few weeks ago.

[seren]

I watched the first half and had to leave the house. How did Payne end up playing only 14 minutes? He had an excellent first half. How about McBride? He had to sub in for Brunson but only ended up with 20 minutes? Thibs seems to be taking things to the next level just to find excuses not to play the bench. 36 point blowout yet you had starters play 40 minutes more than the opponent? Amazing

This, indeed, frustrated me. I don't know why Thibs played the starters the entire 3rd quarter (more or less) and when JB got hurt, instead of Payne coming in, it was Deuce, who we know full well can't run the offense.

But then, before all that went down, Thibs kept the hot hand (Payne) in with the starters at the end of the 2nd quarter, which was a welcome surprise.

This is genuinely confusing to me. It's like bipolar coaching.

I think he is scared the bench will put up the numbers and prove him wrong so he will have to play them extended minutes in the next games. His ego is that big.

[seren]

At a certain point you're not going to be able to afford these vets, though. No certainty Payne or Precious are here next season. Like, after watching Shamet, I can't see why he's getting time over one of the rookies. Something with Ryan.

At a certain point we may have to fire the HC. I am not defending his actions but, at no point have I've seen any of these rookies deserve a full time role either. You want it? Take it. Thibs isn't just giving it away. They have deserved more of a chance than they were given though. Sadly, that means nothing around here.

That's the thing. From what we've seen from Ariel for example, I can't imagine he'd be worse than Sims, despite the borderline playability Sims had recently before Precious was back in. And I still don't know what Ryan or Shamet provides that Dadiet can't be taught to do. Like, Payne -- who has been in the league for a few years -- up until recently looked spooked out there, which I assume it's because of that out of nowhere bench a few weeks ago.

Honestly I don’t even care about going deeper in the bench. Just get your three guys and play them 20+ minutes each. Shouldn’t be that difficult as Precious can play both PF and C and you can rotate the other two guards to three positions. But even that seems too challenging for Thibs.

[thebuzzardman]

Thibs isn't playing rookies in their first year right away. Might not even play them at all in the regular rotation. The fact that we haven't had a healthy bench all year should have made room for a rookie or two to get some burn but, Thibs.

Payne/Deuce/Shamet/Precious was the projected bench until Mitch gets back. They have all missed time. Significant time. We have had all four healthy for a total of 5 games this year. We won all 5 of those games I believe.

Yesterday we ran an 8 man rotation. Payne/Deuce/Precious played 32 minutes in the first half and scored 20 pts. That's what we need from the bench. The starters were all fresh for the second half as a result. We cruised to victory. This is the bench production we need to keep from breaking down or losing steam in the 4th qtr.

If/when Mitch gets back we will be deeper. Thibs will have too many options to run players into the ground but, whether or not he uses them will be the question. The team, needs to stay healthy and even then, we do not have the continuity or chemistry that CLE/BOS/OKC has. It will be a tough run to win a chip but, it's not entirely out of the question. We just need to keep developing the chemistry up amd down the roster and to avoid serious injuries.

You just scripted the perfect sequence of events which never manifests that way under Thibs management. The Knicks are grinding themselves into a hole they won't get out of. Not priming the rookie talent. Last year's playoffs was all grit and short-handed heroics. That is not the scenario we should want, but it is exactly what it is shaping up to become. It will lead to an early exit. Under Thibs guidance we will never be a true contender.

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Glad my obnoxious Thibs vs Doc Rivers filtered up to their show.