NFL Wildcard Game - Packers at Eagles - 1/12/25 - 3:30 - FOX

[Dennis Reynolds]

What I find perplexing about the Love discourse, is while he didn't play great today, and he's had some stinkers this year, overall, he was solid this season. 5th in QBR and 9th in EPA/play isn't anything to be ashamed of. We're used to greatness at QB that anything less just feels like a major fall from grace, when reality is, it's not as bad as it seems.

He also ranked 19th according to PFF who watch him get away with throwing multiple should be interceptions per game and are not rewarding him for barely completing passes to guys with 20 yards of separation. Unfortunately if you pay attention you realize that is who he is. Either he gets the ball to the guy who couldn't be more open or he just chucks up a prayer that somehow gets answered 85% of the time. He doesn't throw receivers open, he throws defenders open and gets rewarded for it most of the season until it all comes crashing down at the worst possible time.

Even in this game he should have been intercepted on his 1st throw of the game and the game would have been over within 3 minutes but he lucked out, got bailed out there and so many times after that and still came up small with every new chance he got.

His QBR for this game was 37 in case you were wondering which is somewhere between below average and bad and not only he didn't make a single good play, he almost single handedly won the game for the Eagles, so much for that stat.

[JayMKE]

We're kinda stuck in it now, did the Pack really have a choice about Love's extension? I never liked the idea of drafting a QB in the 1st round to sit on the bench for years especially one that was more of a project, if Love isn't the guy we want to invest the next decade into then a lot of heads need to roll in this org.

[HKPackFan]

Love has some of that... Favre "he'll make 4-5 throws a game that could be picked off..." But without the high reward of favre's overall play. Favre also broke fingers with the strength of his throws so dbs had a tough time catching those when they dont practice that every day. Love throws some zingers but doesnt have that brute force.


I still think Love is a top 15 qb. Maybe in that 10-15 range.

He's not an mvp or a superstar, but hopefully the team can get the some of the crappy plays out of him and more of the good stuff.

I'm not under the impression we have a 3rd in a row hall of fame qb on our hands, but if he can be a top 10 qb over the course of his career, that's a solid situation.

[RiotPunch]

Love can definitely be a good enough QB to win an Owl. Growth is not always linear, and he regressed in many ways from the back end of last year. The idea of bringing back Davante (within reason) is intriguing to expedite Love's development, as well as the guys in that receiver room.

[HKPackFan]

Love can definitely be a good enough QB to win an Owl. Growth is not always linear, and he regressed in many ways from the back end of last year. The idea of bringing back Davante (within reason) is intriguing to expedite Love's development, as well as the guys in that receiver room.

A good defense, good running game, good reliable TE and 1-2 sure handed WRs. In that mold of a ravens style superbowl team (not meaning hall of fame D, just in that style) , all Love has to do is manage the game, take occasional shots downfield, make the right throws.

I think its possible. Need to cut out the young wild favre throws and play smarter ball.

Isn't MLF going for a strong running team, not necessarily at lights out pass all day team.

[MickeyDavis]

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[MVP2110]

We're kinda stuck in it now, did the Pack really have a choice about Love's extension? I never liked the idea of drafting a QB in the 1st round to sit on the bench for years especially one that was more of a project, if Love isn't the guy we want to invest the next decade into then a lot of heads need to roll in this org.

The thing is if they dont draft Love they are probably without a franchise QB right now and would have been forced to stick with an aging Rodgers. The following draft had zero good QBs in it. In 2023 Stroud went #2 so it would have taken a massive jump up, nobody good was taken after that, and early signs in the 2024 draft are similar in that Daniels went 2, Maye went 3, maybe Bo Nix at 12? But Id hardly say Bo Nix is a more sure fire QB then Love is. Love was really our only shot to get a potential franchise guy and we took it.

[MVP2110]

What I find perplexing about the Love discourse, is while he didn't play great today, and he's had some stinkers this year, overall, he was solid this season. 5th in QBR and 9th in EPA/play isn't anything to be ashamed of. We're used to greatness at QB that anything less just feels like a major fall from grace, when reality is, it's not as bad as it seems.

He also ranked 19th according to PFF who watch him get away with throwing multiple should be interceptions per game and are not rewarding him for barely completing passes to guys with 20 yards of separation. Unfortunately if you pay attention you realize that is who he is. Either he gets the ball to the guy who couldn't be more open or he just chucks up a prayer that somehow gets answered 85% of the time. He doesn't throw receivers open, he throws defenders open and gets rewarded for it most of the season until it all comes crashing down at the worst possible time.

Even in this game he should have been intercepted on his 1st throw of the game and the game would have been over within 3 minutes but he lucked out, got bailed out there and so many times after that and still came up small with every new chance he got.

His QBR for this game was 37 in case you were wondering which is somewhere between below average and bad and not only he didn't make a single good play, he almost single handedly won the game for the Eagles, so much for that stat.

Not sure where you got your numbers from, but Love was 13th among passing grade for QBs this year(min 50% of snaps played) per PFF

Love was 7th in adjusted EPA/Play

Love was 5th in QBR

Love was 12th in Passer Rating

The Packers passing offense as a whole was 3rd in passing DVOA

Just to give accurate numbers

[Profound23]

One thing that cracks me up, AJ Brown never seen actually reading a book on the sidelines. He just pulled a Lebron imo.

[vegaspacker]

Is Tyreek Hill a potential option?

He's older, more injury prone, but still a boss.

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[MickeyDavis]

Hill has a dead cap hit of over $56 million if traded or released. I don't think Miami eats that. His actual cap hit next season is $28 million. After next season he'd have to be released with a dead cap of $15.5 million as opposed to a 2026 cap hit of $51.8 million. Davante intrigues me because he's likely to be released. He's dead cap of $11.2 million and cap of $38.3 million if the Jets keep him. If Rodgers moves on to another team maybe Adams joins him there but otherwise I'd love to have him for a year or two.

[tski1972]

There's plenty of balls that Love has thrown with zip. Will he break a WR finger like Favre? No, but he does have some pretty awesome throws on his resume. His issues continue to remain at the base level and sinking up his hips and footwork. If the feet aren't set, he throws ducks.

He doesn’t need to throw rocket balls like Favre. But he needs more on those longer throws.

We’ll have to see how he progresses in season three.

It’ll be his fifth season, just because he’s only started for two doesn’t mean they haven’t tried to fix these problems prior to him starting. At this point he is what he is.

[JayMKE]

We're kinda stuck in it now, did the Pack really have a choice about Love's extension? I never liked the idea of drafting a QB in the 1st round to sit on the bench for years especially one that was more of a project, if Love isn't the guy we want to invest the next decade into then a lot of heads need to roll in this org.

The thing is if they dont draft Love they are probably without a franchise QB right now and would have been forced to stick with an aging Rodgers. The following draft had zero good QBs in it. In 2023 Stroud went #2 so it would have taken a massive jump up, nobody good was taken after that, and early signs in the 2024 draft are similar in that Daniels went 2, Maye went 3, maybe Bo Nix at 12? But Id hardly say Bo Nix is a more sure fire QB then Love is. Love was really our only shot to get a potential franchise guy and we took it.

One of those cross that bridge when it comes things, either that or they should have started Love sooner. I just hate the idea of developing a guy for 3 years on the bench and found it kinda cargo cultist the way they tried to recreate the situation with Favre/Rodgers like that is not the ideal way to transition QBs.

Obviously the Pack has to stick with Love now but he has to be better. The decision making and accuracy was just bad this year. He’s chucking it up like Favre but he isn’t throwing guys open or have that kind of arm. Maybe it was lingering injuries but his legs disappeared this year, he was less mobile than 40 year old Rodgers coming off an Achilles tear this season. He doesn’t have the arm to throw off his back foot like he does. With the way Love played against Philly I think Malik Willis might have gave the team a better chance of winning. Maybe we’re just spoiled after a lifetime of franchise multiple time MVP QBs, that ride couldn’t last forever and it’s tough follow for the next guys. Hopefully they give us a reason to be excited about the team next year other than internal progression.

[coolhandluke121]

Another big difference between Favre and Love is that Favre actually took what the defense gave him and made a lot of short throws, running the West Coast offense as designed and patiently setting up the deep ball instead of compulsively chucking it deep all the time.

[Matches Malone]

There's plenty of balls that Love has thrown with zip. Will he break a WR finger like Favre? No, but he does have some pretty awesome throws on his resume. His issues continue to remain at the base level and sinking up his hips and footwork. If the feet aren't set, he throws ducks.

He doesn’t need to throw rocket balls like Favre. But he needs more on those longer throws.

We’ll have to see how he progresses in season three.

It’ll be his fifth season, just because he’s only started for two doesn’t mean they haven’t tried to fix these problems prior to him starting. At this point he is what he is.

You can't really replicate live reps though. How a defense adjusts to you and gameplans for you week-to-week. For all intents and purposes, this is basically his second year. Not saying they didn't work on him while he was taking scout team snaps, but there's levels to this and some QB's can't skip steps while they progress.

And by the looks of how much they ran out of shotgun this year, I would not be surprised if we learned Jordans injuries from earlier in the year were more limiting than we were led to believe. He excelled under snap and with the play action last year. They basically went away from that when Love came was in but ran it normally with Malik.

[Mags FTW]

Higgins is about to turn 26. I would prefer offering him a bag instead of guys over 30 like Hill and Adams.

Or give up a non-1st in a trade to a non-playoff team that needs help building. JSN has taken the #1 from Metcalf and they need picks to help build. He would be worth exploring. Colts have Pierce, Downs, and Mitchell and would probably listen to offers for Pittman.

[tski1972]

Higgins is about to turn 26. I would prefer offering him a bag instead of guys over 30 like Hill and Adams.

Or give up a non-1st in a trade to a non-playoff team that needs help building. JSN has taken the #1 from Metcalf and they need picks to help build. He would be worth exploring. Colts have Pierce, Downs, and Mitchell and would probably listen to offers for Pittman.

I’d be concerned about Higgins health, guys missed 5 games each of the last two years.

[MVP2110]

According to PFF, Philly only blitzed one time yesterday and yet they were constantly getting pressure on Love and shutting down the run game. Losing Jenkins hurt and a brutal performance by Tom and the rotating LG replacements.

[Dennis Reynolds]

Make your points without being a dick about it. MD

[MVP2110]

He also ranked 19th according to PFF who watch him get away with throwing multiple should be interceptions per game and are not rewarding him for barely completing passes to guys with 20 yards of separation. Unfortunately if you pay attention you realize that is who he is. Either he gets the ball to the guy who couldn't be more open or he just chucks up a prayer that somehow gets answered 85% of the time. He doesn't throw receivers open, he throws defenders open and gets rewarded for it most of the season until it all comes crashing down at the worst possible time.

Even in this game he should have been intercepted on his 1st throw of the game and the game would have been over within 3 minutes but he lucked out, got bailed out there and so many times after that and still came up small with every new chance he got.

His QBR for this game was 37 in case you were wondering which is somewhere between below average and bad and not only he didn't make a single good play, he almost single handedly won the game for the Eagles, so much for that stat.

Not sure where you got your numbers from, but Love was 13th among passing grade for QBs this year(min 50% of snaps played) per PFF

Love was 7th in adjusted EPA/Play

Love was 5th in QBR

Love was 12th in Passer Rating

The Packers passing offense as a whole was 3rd in passing DVOA

Just to give accurate numbers

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/jordan-love/40306#gradesWidget

Here is my source, clear enough for you? Also funny how you posted the passing grade and not the overall grade just to make Love look better even if by a tiny bit. I guess this is what happens when Bukowski is your main source of info and knowledge, straight up propaganda.

I mean we were directly talking about Love throwing the football so yes I mentioned his passing grade. He didn't run much this year(partly due to injury early in the season) so his 25th ranked grade in rushing doesn't really adjust my thought process on him.

It's not hard to look up exact specifics on numbers and judge based on those. I do value PFF but it's just one piece of the pie, I listed several other metrics that ranked Love between good & very good this season.