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UTA/DAL/CHO
DAL sends:
Maxi, Gafford, 25 1st
DAL receive:
Sexton, Richards, 31 pick is 25 draft
UTA sends:
Sexton
UTA recive:
Micic 33rd pick from CHO
CHO sends:
Micic, Richards, 31st pick, 33rd pick
CHO receive:
Maxi, Gafford, DAL 25 1st.
Dallas gets 3rd on ball guard, downgrades backup center, dumps Maxi and downgrades 1st
CHO upgradr backup center, takes on salary upgrades 2 2high 2nds to pick 18-20
UTA dumps Sexton for a high 2nd.
Maxi, Gafford, 25 1st
DAL receive:
Sexton, Richards, 31 pick is 25 draft
UTA sends:
Sexton
UTA recive:
Micic 33rd pick from CHO
CHO sends:
Micic, Richards, 31st pick, 33rd pick
CHO receive:
Maxi, Gafford, DAL 25 1st.
Dallas gets 3rd on ball guard, downgrades backup center, dumps Maxi and downgrades 1st
CHO upgradr backup center, takes on salary upgrades 2 2high 2nds to pick 18-20
UTA dumps Sexton for a high 2nd.
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Charlotte needs to send out more salary, no?
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Godaddycurse wrote:Charlotte needs to send out more salary, no?
If done as 2 separate deals no
Micic for Gafford and Richards for Maxi, bith within 7.5 mils.
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Mavrelous wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:Charlotte needs to send out more salary, no?
If done as 2 separate deals no
Micic for Gafford and Richards for Maxi, bith within 7.5 mils.
richard for maxi is illegal, it would only be 200% of his salary so max incominig salary/matching for richard is 10M
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Godaddycurse wrote:Mavrelous wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:Charlotte needs to send out more salary, no?
If done as 2 separate deals no
Micic for Gafford and Richards for Maxi, bith within 7.5 mils.
richard for maxi is illegal, it would only be 200% of his salary so max incominig salary/matching for richard is 10M
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i mean... i'll gladly take this, but I don't see what purpose this serves Dallas or Utah
(The Richards part is remedied pretty easily by sending out Martin to Utah. the deal as it stands pushes Charlotte into the luxury tax and we all know that's not happening for a team that is going to win 25 games tops)
(The Richards part is remedied pretty easily by sending out Martin to Utah. the deal as it stands pushes Charlotte into the luxury tax and we all know that's not happening for a team that is going to win 25 games tops)
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Mavrelous wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:Mavrelous wrote:If done as 2 separate deals no
Micic for Gafford and Richards for Maxi, bith within 7.5 mils.
richard for maxi is illegal, it would only be 200% of his salary so max incominig salary/matching for richard is 10M
Then welcome to UTA Daquan Jeffris!
on a separate minor note, im also not sure you can do it as 2 separate deals since dallas is sending out both gafford and richards together in 1 deal to be able to accept Sexton.. i could be wrong though. Regardless Charlotte needs to send out about 17M of salary so Daquan and a vet min is enough for that so its inconsequential
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Feel like you can add Martin to Utah and it changes very little for the other teams. Charlotte doesn’t have that much room from the tax, so should be a mid-sized contract.
Dallas looks really good. Utah feels like they’re settling though. I’d add the Philly 2nd if that helps at all.
CLT gets the first they want, and Gafford would be a nice get for them to help the offense flow.
Dallas looks really good. Utah feels like they’re settling though. I’d add the Philly 2nd if that helps at all.
CLT gets the first they want, and Gafford would be a nice get for them to help the offense flow.
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HornetJail wrote:i mean... i'll gladly take this, but I don't see what purpose this serves Dallas or Utah
(The Richards part is remedied pretty easily by sending out Martin to Utah)
Mavs need a proper on ball guard as Kyrie has a back similar to mine and Luka is in similar shape to what I am in.
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If this is the return for Sexton, I'd much rather hang onto him.
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I mean I'd love to upgrade Dinwiddie/Hardy to Sexton. Pretty nervous about downgrading from Gafford/Kleber to Richards with Lively both foul and injury prone and backup PF being an utter wasteland now. Dusting off Dwight Powell yet again.
Still they'd have to do this and just count on Luka to rebound and Marshall to somehow defend guys he hasn't shown he can.
Still they'd have to do this and just count on Luka to rebound and Marshall to somehow defend guys he hasn't shown he can.
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what if the Mavs pick went to you and we got something else? we're getting a crazy sweetheart deal in thisSkyHook wrote:If this is the return for Sexton, I'd much rather hang onto him.
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HornetJail wrote:what if the Mavs pick went to you and we got something else? we're getting a crazy sweetheart deal in thisSkyHook wrote:If this is the return for Sexton, I'd much rather hang onto him.
It's certainly better. With three FRPs already in 2025, I'd be in if it was a 2026 pick instead.
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HornetJail wrote:what if the Mavs pick went to you and we got something else? we're getting a crazy sweetheart deal in thisSkyHook wrote:If this is the return for Sexton, I'd much rather hang onto him.
I think once you do that, CLT doesn’t add their early 2nd and Dallas is walking away.
Even if you make Utah pay Maxi, I don’t know if CLT should pay an early 2nd to upgrade Richards to Gafford given where the team is.
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SkyHook wrote:If this is the return for Sexton, I'd much rather hang onto him.
Utah is shamelessly tanking but don't believe they are quite to the point of giving away legit players for complete scraps just yet (although Sexton was one big reason they won that Brooklyn game last night which probably didn't sit well with the pro tankers).
I don't think SRPs really excite Ainge either. Maybe he will change his mind this offseason if they fall to #7-9 with the lottery balls.
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HornetJail wrote:what if the Mavs pick went to you and we got something else? we're getting a crazy sweetheart deal in thisSkyHook wrote:If this is the return for Sexton, I'd much rather hang onto him.
Would CHO trade Mavs 27 top 2 protected for Mavs 26 unprotected?
UTA has 4 1sts in 27, I'd offer super swap with them with the lowest pick they have, that's pretty valuable.
DAL sends:
Maxi, Gafford, 25 1st, unprotected 26 1st
DAL receive:
Sexton, Richards, Cavs 25 1st (30th pick in the draft), Mavs 27 1st, 33 rd pick in 25 draft.
UTA sends:
Sexton, Cavs 1st
UTA recive:
Martin 31rd pick from CHO, super swap in 27.
They downgrade 1 spot in the 25 draft, pretty meaningless, but gain super swap in 27.
CHO sends:
Micic, Richards, 31st pick, 33rd pick, Mavs 27 pick
CHO receive:
Maxi, Gafford, DAL 25 1st, DAL 26 1st unprotected.
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I see Utah as least likely to do this deal. Sexton is the best player in the deal. The best asset is Mavs pick 23.
If the Mavs 1st (23) went to Utah and the Cavs 1st (30) owned by Utah went to the Hornets, I still think the Hornets do this.
Hornets have pick 32 (Pels) plus 34 (Hornets). Dallas could settle for the less favorable of those two.
So the Hornets are turning Richards into Gafford and moving up from 34 to 30 as is.
And Martin/Jeffries might have to go to keep Charlotte away from the tax.
If the Mavs 1st (23) went to Utah and the Cavs 1st (30) owned by Utah went to the Hornets, I still think the Hornets do this.
Hornets have pick 32 (Pels) plus 34 (Hornets). Dallas could settle for the less favorable of those two.
So the Hornets are turning Richards into Gafford and moving up from 34 to 30 as is.
And Martin/Jeffries might have to go to keep Charlotte away from the tax.
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Mavrelous wrote:HornetJail wrote:what if the Mavs pick went to you and we got something else? we're getting a crazy sweetheart deal in thisSkyHook wrote:If this is the return for Sexton, I'd much rather hang onto him.
Would CHO trade Mavs 27 top 2 protected for Mavs 26 unprotected?
UTA has 4 1sts in 27, I'd offer super swap with them with the lowest pick they have, that's pretty valuable.
DAL sends:
Maxi, Gafford, 25 1st, unprotected 26 1st
DAL receive:
Sexton, Richards, Cavs 25 1st (30th pick in the draft), Mavs 27 1st, 33 rd pick in 25 draft.
UTA sends:
Sexton, Cavs 1st
UTA recive:
Martin 31rd pick from CHO, super swap in 27.
They downgrade 1 spot in the 25 draft, pretty meaningless, but gain super swap in 27.
CHO sends:
Micic, Richards, 31st pick, 33rd pick, Mavs 27 pick
CHO receive:
Maxi, Gafford, DAL 25 1st, DAL 26 1st unprotected.
Yeah it's still comfortably a win for Charlotte. Am I missing something with Gafford? Why are they saary dumping him?
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HornetJail wrote:Yeah it's still comfortably a win for Charlotte. Am I missing something with Gafford? Why are they saary dumping him?
They aren't, right? They are trying to use his salary/value to upgrade to Sexton. Dallas problem is matching salary. Klay and Kleber both figure to be negative. Anyone else who makes any money is vital to the team. Gafford is the only small positive matching salary of any size they really have to trade. And the team seems more and more committing to Lively as opposed to the job share so they hope Richards is good enough (and good old faithful Dwight Powell ) behind him.
But its definitely not Dallas salary dumping Gafford.
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fair enough, as long as you see the value in Sexton >> than the value in Gafford.Texas Chuck wrote:HornetJail wrote:Yeah it's still comfortably a win for Charlotte. Am I missing something with Gafford? Why are they saary dumping him?
They aren't, right? They are trying to use his salary/value to upgrade to Sexton. Dallas problem is matching salary. Klay and Kleber both figure to be negative. Anyone else who makes any money is vital to the team. Gafford is the only small positive matching salary of any size they really have to trade. And the team seems more and more committing to Lively as opposed to the job share so they hope Richards is good enough (and good old faithful Dwight Powell ) behind him.
But its definitely not Dallas salary dumping Gafford.
Feels like a shortsighted attempt to salvage this Mavs season while Luka's hurt, at the expense of future seasons. I love the Lively/Gafford C combo, as it makes Dallas one of the rare teams that doesn't see a significant drop off in the front court when their center hits the bench... and would be more than happy to replicate it with Mark/Gafford long term (assuming Mark can stay on the floor, and if not, he can start), so I'm not complaining.
Throw a combo of Richards, Green, Grant, Micic, Martin, Seth, etc on the table, compensate us a bit for eating Kleber (in this trade, early 2nds for late 1st covers it) and I'm gonna accept just about anything in which Gafford is incoming.
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