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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#201 » by snowman » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:07 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:Don't get me wrong, I just posted what I think is going to happen. I believe the Celtics need to add a significant bench piece if they are going to win the championship. The Celtics 3 main bench players are Pritchard, Hauser and Horford. Teams have now began to focus on Pritchard. Pritchard is fining it much harder to get open since teams are focusing on him. Hauser plain and simple has had a down year and Big Al is finally showing some signs of aging. Jrue Holiday and Porzingis so far have had down years in my opinion.

I really believe Brad Stevens needs to add a boost to the bench before the trade deadline. If not then Brad Stevens has to hope that all the players having down years can regain their peak form or the Celtics will be leaving the playoffs early.

I'm always happy with a new shiny bench guy but other than maybe Horford being older, I'd say their bench is better than last year. PP obviously has taken a leap, and Hauser, despite a rough start to the year, wasn't nearly as proven a playoff guy as he is now. Plus he's started to come around quite a bit, at least in terms of shooting. Main thing is to get their healthy so they actually have their bench guys on the bench, not in the starting lineup.

So give me a new better bench guy but it's just really thin out there. Personally I doubt Garrison Matthews does anything better than Hauser or PP. Maybe the SA Champagnie is a better defender than what they have but he's prob not being dealt. Just land Theis (whos' shot well in a limited sample lately) to fill in whatever they wanted Tillman for, who's been a no show this year.

Teams have figured Pritchard out. Pritchard is having a much harder time finding space. Hauser averages 0.93 non three point shots per game and has taken a grand total of 2 free throws the whole year. Hauser is the very definition of a one trick pony and that's fine because he does it well but it makes it very easy to guard. In my opinion OKC exposed the Celtics bench. Big Al, who I love as a player is showing signs of decline. Players consistently attack and take Big Al off the the dribble now.

PP, Hauser and Big Al all they do now is shoot three pointers. Hauser 86% of his shots, Pritchard 76% of his shots and Bi Al 73% of his shots are three pointers. That's 77% of those three shots are three pointers. I think good teams are figuring this out and I believe that OKC exposed the Celtics bench limitations. I think the Celtics need something more and different.

Just my opinion.


I'm tore on this. In one aspect I agree that Pritchard, Hauser and Horford are pretty predictable. However, you most always see them on the floor with Tatum, Brown, White or Holiday, which while being at the three-point line, which is the game plan, opens the middle for drive and kicks while still being able to be a defensive presence on the other end of the floor. I think our top 8 are the top of the league. I DO NOT want to see Walsh, Queta or Baylor moved in any deal. I think all have a chance for a big impact future for the Celtics next season. Kornet is becoming one of the better big men off the bench for his dollar range, which we need to keep.

With that said, I feel Springer and Tillman should be moved for more project players in separate moves of course if possible. Neither are really giving anything to the team at this point and I'm sure there are different players that could bring something to the court in their place in the same of less dollar range. Being the 13th and 14 men on the roster, surely, we can do better. I don't feel the Tillman is a big, just a wall that other players can't push through very easy but is non-existent on the offensive end of the floor. Springer needs to be replaced with an explosive wing to fill to fill 10 minutes a game and garbage time. I'm sure Brad can use Springer's 4 mil contract to get a project under 3 mil to do this. Even our G-league options would bring something different in those slots, but no need to move them up at this time.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#202 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:08 pm

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165bows wrote:I'm always happy with a new shiny bench guy but other than maybe Horford being older, I'd say their bench is better than last year. PP obviously has taken a leap, and Hauser, despite a rough start to the year, wasn't nearly as proven a playoff guy as he is now. Plus he's started to come around quite a bit, at least in terms of shooting. Main thing is to get their healthy so they actually have their bench guys on the bench, not in the starting lineup.

So give me a new better bench guy but it's just really thin out there. Personally I doubt Garrison Matthews does anything better than Hauser or PP. Maybe the SA Champagnie is a better defender than what they have but he's prob not being dealt. Just land Theis (whos' shot well in a limited sample lately) to fill in whatever they wanted Tillman for, who's been a no show this year.

I don't think the Cs are looking to fill whatever Tillman brings to the table.

Luke and Q have been adequate.

Theis coming back for a 3rd time is not likely.

Yeah they are totally adequate but they aren’t versatile that’s the whole point. Also why we saw Tillman get off the bench in the finals where those two really didn’t.

It’s about adding a different type of player which they did by adding Tillman. But if he isn’t cutting it then that bench role of another mobile big is wide open.

I think they need to add a wing that can actually take it to the basket and finish and not just stand outside the three point line and chuck threes. The Celtics already have enough of those players. Versatility!

Teams are not afraid at all of Horford, Pritchard or Hauser driving to the hoop.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#203 » by 165bows » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:09 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:Don't get me wrong, I just posted what I think is going to happen. I believe the Celtics need to add a significant bench piece if they are going to win the championship. The Celtics 3 main bench players are Pritchard, Hauser and Horford. Teams have now began to focus on Pritchard. Pritchard is fining it much harder to get open since teams are focusing on him. Hauser plain and simple has had a down year and Big Al is finally showing some signs of aging. Jrue Holiday and Porzingis so far have had down years in my opinion.

I really believe Brad Stevens needs to add a boost to the bench before the trade deadline. If not then Brad Stevens has to hope that all the players having down years can regain their peak form or the Celtics will be leaving the playoffs early.

I'm always happy with a new shiny bench guy but other than maybe Horford being older, I'd say their bench is better than last year. PP obviously has taken a leap, and Hauser, despite a rough start to the year, wasn't nearly as proven a playoff guy as he is now. Plus he's started to come around quite a bit, at least in terms of shooting. Main thing is to get their healthy so they actually have their bench guys on the bench, not in the starting lineup.

So give me a new better bench guy but it's just really thin out there. Personally I doubt Garrison Matthews does anything better than Hauser or PP. Maybe the SA Champagnie is a better defender than what they have but he's prob not being dealt. Just land Theis (whos' shot well in a limited sample lately) to fill in whatever they wanted Tillman for, who's been a no show this year.

Teams have figured Pritchard out. Pritchard is having a much harder time finding space. Hauser averages 0.93 non three point shots per game and has taken a grand total of 2 free throws the whole year. Hauser is the very definition of a one trick pony and that's fine because he does it well but it makes it very easy to guard. In my opinion OKC exposed the Celtics bench. Big Al, who I love as a player is showing signs of decline. Players consistently attack and take Big Al off the the dribble now.

PP, Hauser and Big Al all they do now is shoot three pointers. Hauser 86% of his shots, Pritchard 76% of his shots and Bi Al 73% of his shots are three pointers. That's 77% of those three shots are three pointers. I think good teams are figuring this out and I believe that OKC exposed the Celtics bench limitations. I think the Celtics need something more and different.

Just my opinion.

That was my big complaint after the 22 loss, they weren’t nearly versatile enough on offense. If KP and the rest of the starters come around I think they are largely ok on that end, they just haven’t really all played well together yet. Playoffs come and there will always be a bunch of the starters on the court.
So I’d like to add someone but I don’t think they are going to get a 7th-ish man type guy I’m just skeptical he’s out there. Great if so but I don’t know where that guy could come from unless the Lonnie optimism is real of course.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#204 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:12 pm

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165bows wrote:I'm always happy with a new shiny bench guy but other than maybe Horford being older, I'd say their bench is better than last year. PP obviously has taken a leap, and Hauser, despite a rough start to the year, wasn't nearly as proven a playoff guy as he is now. Plus he's started to come around quite a bit, at least in terms of shooting. Main thing is to get their healthy so they actually have their bench guys on the bench, not in the starting lineup.

So give me a new better bench guy but it's just really thin out there. Personally I doubt Garrison Matthews does anything better than Hauser or PP. Maybe the SA Champagnie is a better defender than what they have but he's prob not being dealt. Just land Theis (whos' shot well in a limited sample lately) to fill in whatever they wanted Tillman for, who's been a no show this year.

Teams have figured Pritchard out. Pritchard is having a much harder time finding space. Hauser averages 0.93 non three point shots per game and has taken a grand total of 2 free throws the whole year. Hauser is the very definition of a one trick pony and that's fine because he does it well but it makes it very easy to guard. In my opinion OKC exposed the Celtics bench. Big Al, who I love as a player is showing signs of decline. Players consistently attack and take Big Al off the the dribble now.

PP, Hauser and Big Al all they do now is shoot three pointers. Hauser 86% of his shots, Pritchard 76% of his shots and Bi Al 73% of his shots are three pointers. That's 77% of those three shots are three pointers. I think good teams are figuring this out and I believe that OKC exposed the Celtics bench limitations. I think the Celtics need something more and different.

Just my opinion.

That was my big complaint after the 22 loss, they weren’t nearly versatile enough on offense. If KP and the rest of the starters come around I think they are largely ok on that end, they just haven’t really all played well together yet. Playoffs come and there will always be a bunch of the starters on the court.
So I’d like to add someone but I don’t think they are going to get a 7th-ish man type guy I’m just skeptical he’s out there. Great if so but I don’t know where that guy could come from unless the Lonnie optimism is real of course.

Finding a guy is a different story.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#205 » by Hal14 » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:27 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:Don't get me wrong, I just posted what I think is going to happen. I believe the Celtics need to add a significant bench piece if they are going to win the championship. The Celtics 3 main bench players are Pritchard, Hauser and Horford. Teams have now began to focus on Pritchard. Pritchard is fining it much harder to get open since teams are focusing on him. Hauser plain and simple has had a down year and Big Al is finally showing some signs of aging. Jrue Holiday and Porzingis so far have had down years in my opinion.

I really believe Brad Stevens needs to add a boost to the bench before the trade deadline. If not then Brad Stevens has to hope that all the players having down years can regain their peak form or the Celtics will be leaving the playoffs early.

I'm always happy with a new shiny bench guy but other than maybe Horford being older, I'd say their bench is better than last year. PP obviously has taken a leap, and Hauser, despite a rough start to the year, wasn't nearly as proven a playoff guy as he is now. Plus he's started to come around quite a bit, at least in terms of shooting. Main thing is to get their healthy so they actually have their bench guys on the bench, not in the starting lineup.

So give me a new better bench guy but it's just really thin out there. Personally I doubt Garrison Matthews does anything better than Hauser or PP. Maybe the SA Champagnie is a better defender than what they have but he's prob not being dealt. Just land Theis (whos' shot well in a limited sample lately) to fill in whatever they wanted Tillman for, who's been a no show this year.

Teams have figured Pritchard out. Pritchard is having a much harder time finding space. Hauser averages 0.93 non three point shots per game and has taken a grand total of 2 free throws the whole year. Hauser is the very definition of a one trick pony and that's fine because he does it well but it makes it very easy to guard. In my opinion OKC exposed the Celtics bench. Big Al, who I love as a player is showing signs of decline. Players consistently attack and take Big Al off the the dribble now.

PP, Hauser and Big Al all they do now is shoot three pointers. Hauser 86% of his shots, Pritchard 76% of his shots and Bi Al 73% of his shots are three pointers. That's 77% of those three shots are three pointers. I think good teams are figuring this out and I believe that OKC exposed the Celtics bench limitations. I think the Celtics need something more and different.

Just my opinion.

We won the championship last year (easily) with a Pritchard/Hauser/Horford bench. They mostly just took 3's last year too.

But Joe does a good job of mixing in some of the starters in with them too, so that it's a diverse lineup and not just all guys on the floor who are just shooters.

Also, Pritchard has taken a leap this season - he's scoring more off the bounce now and is even more lethal from 3 where he is on pace to finish with one of the highest 3PM totals in a single season in NBA history - while coming off the bench.

Horford's PPG is actually higher than last season. His TS% is down a bit, but I'm not worried - he's always a guy who knows how to coast a bit here and there during the reg season so he can really bring it for the playoffs. Hauser is improving his ability to attack off the dribble. He's of course been slowed a bit by the back injury but that doesn't appear too serious so I'm not worried.

Anyone we trade for is not going to get mins over any of the top 8 guys. And you only play 8 guys in the playoffs. So while Brad may add a depth piece before the deadline, anyone we add is unlikely to be a playoff rotation guy.

And as for the OKC game, it's just 1 game. I wouldn't read too deeply into it. I doubt Brad is making roster moves just based on 1 game in early January where we lost in OKC (we lost in OKC last year too and still won the title). And if we made more of our open 3's in the OKC game, we probably would've won.

Any ideas on who this player is we could realistically trade for who would get playing time on this roster and would bring to the table what you are saying that our team is lacking in?
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#206 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:48 pm

Hal14 wrote:Hauser is improving his ability to attack off the dribble.

Definition of seeing what you want to see. Last 5 games Hauser has taken 28 shots, all of them three pointers. Hauser has taken 0.93 two point attempts per game. 2 free throw attempts all season. Hauser doesn't go anywhere near the paint.

This Celtics team is not the same as last year's team. Their three point attempts per game are way up, becoming a one dimensional team.
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Post#207 » by fallguy » Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:59 pm

Pretty concerned PP will get smothered in the playoffs.
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Re: Free Agent, Trade & Conversion Thread, 2024-25 

Post#208 » by tfribs45 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:15 pm

bring back Mahcussss Smahhhhht , here come the haters in 3 2 1 lol
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Post#209 » by Dogen » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:58 pm

Attention Capologists!

If the Celtics traded Springer + future consideration for Javonte Green, is there enough left in the coffers to sign Walker or Brissett to a vet minimum?
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Post#210 » by redslastlaugh » Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:08 pm

Reports are NOP is a few million over the tax and they’re trying to shed money to get under the tax line. Springer is $4 and Javonte is $2 so I doubt NOP would be interested in adding $2 million unless they move Ingram or Zion first and get themselves under the tax by more than $2 million.

Otherwise, I think the Celts would be able to add a 15th player later with playoff eligibility, whether Lonnie WLker or Oshae or Drew Peterson… that would still be doable

Dogen wrote:Attention Capologists!

If the Celtics traded Springer + future consideration for Javonte Green, is there enough left in the coffers to sign Walker or Brissett to a vet minimum?
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Post#211 » by Dogen » Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:47 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Reports are NOP is a few million over the tax and they’re trying to shed money to get under the tax line. Springer is $4 and Javonte is $2 so I doubt NOP would be interested in adding $2 million unless they move Ingram or Zion first and get themselves under the tax by more than $2 million.

Otherwise, I think the Celts would be able to add a 15th player later with playoff eligibility, whether Lonnie WLker or Oshae or Drew Peterson… that would still be doable

Dogen wrote:Attention Capologists!

If the Celtics traded Springer + future consideration for Javonte Green, is there enough left in the coffers to sign Walker or Brissett to a vet minimum?


Good point. With the way the Pels season is going, there may be bigger moves to make before they do any tweaking near the end of the roster. Maybe there will be something there by the deadline.
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Post#212 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:30 pm

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Post#213 » by lon3lytoaster » Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:37 pm

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I’ve never heard of Jared Springer bringing good vibes. Everyone loves Javonte.

Maybe that’s why we suck this year.
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Post#214 » by redslastlaugh » Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:08 pm

Michael Pina of the Ringer on the Off the Pike podcast suggested the Celts trade Scheierman for an expiring player who can play emergency depth minutes (Hauser protection) this season since Scheierman is not really ready to play.

He specifically suggested the following trade idea

CELTS trade Baylor Scheierman
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HAWKS trade Garrison Matthews

I don’t know that I like that idea, lol. But Pina posited the Cs, in addition to Matthews’ ready-to-play shooting, they might want off the future years on Scheierman’s contract.
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Post#215 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:45 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Michael Pina of the Ringer on the Off the Pike podcast suggested the Celts trade Scheierman for an expiring player who can play emergency depth minutes (Hauser protection) this season since Scheierman is not really ready to play.

He specifically suggested the following trade idea

CELTS trade Baylor Scheierman
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HAWKS trade Garrison Matthews

I don’t know that I like that idea, lol. But Pina posited the Cs, in addition to Matthews’ ready-to-play shooting, they might want off the future years on Scheierman’s contract.

You shouldn’t want Garrison Mathews on the team. Near-85% career 3-pt attempt rate.

Why would they want off Schei’s contract? That’s still cheapish labor for future bench if he pans out. I don’t think they should give up on him this early.
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Post#216 » by Hal14 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:20 pm

lon3lytoaster wrote:I’ve never heard of Jared Springer bringing good vibes. Everyone loves Javonte.

Maybe that’s why we suck this year.

It's Jaden Springer - not Jared. And he was on the team last year, when we won the championship.
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Post#217 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:38 pm

Dogen wrote:Attention Capologists!

If the Celtics traded Springer + future consideration for Javonte Green, is there enough left in the coffers to sign Walker or Brissett to a vet minimum?

Cs can sign Walker to be the 15th man.

But the tax bill will rise.

So it's not about what's left in the coffers, it's about are the owners willing to pay the additional tax by adding a 15th man.
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Post#218 » by zoyathedestroya » Tue Jan 14, 2025 11:44 pm

Can improve the skill level of the bench, sure, but it’s clear to everyone who Joe would use for his playoff rotation. Any new guy would have to learn everything from scratch unless it’s Brissett or Svi. Plus it’s not the bench who’s not been pulling their weight in Celtics month-long “slump”. Get KP in tiptop shape and let’s do some real damage post-ASB. I share the concerns about PP holding up against tougher competition, but unless we’re trading for Delon Wright (jk), we’re not getting anyone better than a 6th man leading candidate with the available tradable salary we have. Just play him less in the postseason. White and Jrue can cover 36-38 mpg each.

Anyone we get would be injury insurance imo.
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Post#219 » by lon3lytoaster » Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:35 am

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lon3lytoaster wrote:I’ve never heard of Jared Springer bringing good vibes. Everyone loves Javonte.

Maybe that’s why we suck this year.

It's Jaden Springer - not Jared. And he was on the team last year, when we won the championship.


No one cares autismo that was the joke

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Post#220 » by djFan71 » Wed Jan 15, 2025 12:55 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:Can improve the skill level of the bench, sure, but it’s clear to everyone who Joe would use for his playoff rotation. Any new guy would have to learn everything from scratch unless it’s Brissett or Svi. Plus it’s not the bench who’s not been pulling their weight in Celtics month-long “slump”. Get KP in tiptop shape and let’s do some real damage post-ASB. I share the concerns about PP holding up against tougher competition, but unless we’re trading for Delon Wright (jk), we’re not getting anyone better than a 6th man leading candidate with the available tradable salary we have. Just play him less in the postseason. White and Jrue can cover 36-38 mpg each.

Anyone we get would be injury insurance imo.

I agree. That's the wright take on things.

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