MIN - SAC (McDaniels for Monk)

[bpcox05]

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MIN GETS: Malik Monk
MIN GIVES: Jaden McDaniels
WHY FOR MIN? The Wolves desperately need another ball handler that can break down the defense, score, and playmake for others to help take some of the pressure/attention off Edwards. Monk is not the best defender at guard, but MIN has Conley, DiVincenzo, NAW, and Edwards around him to help cover this deficiency. This trade also sheds $5.6 mil off their payroll this year and saves them money in the long term since Monk is on a cheaper long term deal compared to McDaniels.

PG - Monk / Conley / Dillingham
SG - DiVincenzo / NAW
SF - Edwards / Shannon / Ingles
PF - Randle / Minott / Miller
C - Gobert / Reid / Garza

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SAC Gets: Jaden McDaniels
SAC Gives: Malik Monk
Why for SAC? With Carter back from his shoulder surgery, the Kings have a bit of a log jam at guard. My preference would be to move Monk as I love the idea of going with a defensive heavy guard rotation of Fox, Ellis, and Carter. Not to mention that our NetRating is significantly better when Fox shares the floor with Ellis (+12.9) or Carter (+25.6 but small sample size) vs. when he shares the floor with Monk (+3.7). In exchange, we get some much needed help in the frontcourt and address one of our biggest weaknesses (a big, long, athletic forward who can defend, help protect the rim, and space the floor). McDaniels hasn't been shooting particularly well this year, but we'd be betting long term he can space the floor at a decent clip to keep the paint clear for Fox, DeRozan, and Sabonis. Also, with Fox, Ellis, Carter, Murray, and McDaniels eating a lot of the minutes in the rotation, I think we have a really good shot at being a top 10 defensive team (especially if we can swing Huerter for a better defensive backup C). Lastly, I could see DeRozan being moved to the bench maybe next season allowing us to start 3 excellent defenders between Fox and Sabonis (Ellis or Carter, Murray, and McDaniels), but it would be ideal for at least one of those guys developing enough to be a solid secondary scorer/playmaker to help keep the offense flowing.

PG - Fox / Carter / McLaughlin
SG - Ellis / Huerter / Jones
SF - DeRozan / McDaniels / McDermott
PF - Murray / Lyles / Crowder
C - Sabonis / Len

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[jayjaysee]

I really like this trade for both sides.

I think Minnesota is more hesitant. Especially since they invested in Dillingham.

Sac.. I think a Huerter/Green follow up keeps them under the tax. It’s interesting to me.

I think Sac should be moving on from Demar. But I understand the feeling that the team might lean towards keeping the new FA.

[bpcox05]

I really like this trade for both sides.

I think Minnesota is more hesitant. Especially since they invested in Dillingham.

Sac.. I think a Huerter/Green follow up keeps them under the tax. It’s interesting to me.

I think Sac should be moving on from Demar. But I understand the feeling that the team might lean towards keeping the new FA.

That's fair, but Conley is going to be 38 at the start of next season with only 1 year left on his deal. I could see that "mantle" being passed to Dillingham as Conley inches closer to his retirement. Also, NAW is a UFA this offseason so there is always the chance they lose him as well (giving Dillingham and Shannon more opportunity to carve out a role).

And who is "Green" in your Huerter follow-up deal?

[Sactown33]

If you’re looking for proper value, it’s probably fine. If you’re looking for a trade that has any practical chance of happening, this isn’t it. The Kings wouldn’t dare trade Monk unless they’re moving on from Fox as well, and even then, they’d likely keep him as the starting point guard as he has great chemistry with Domas. Giving him that increased role could up his trade value even more, similar to Cam Johnson this year, so if they do decide to blow it up later, they’ll get much more back for Monk.

[babyjax13]

I think Minnesota needs McDaniels as forward depth more than they need Monk. A three team deal where Minnesota sends Randle to a third team and receives Monk makes more sense to me.

[TheZachAttack]

I personally would do this 100%. McDaniels is a really good player, especially as we've started to use I'm as a 4 and take advantage of his midrange/floater touch/body control & length around the rim. On defense, he's one of the best POA defenders but he's also one of the best help defenders. It's tough though because we have Gobert and McDaniels has been an inconsistent shooter and so with Gobert, Jaden, and Randle... teams just absolutely load up on Ant and faceguard him even if he doesn't pass half court, hard double, and even hedge at the elbows behind a face guard and don't worry about the short roll or shooters.

The Wolves need ball handers who can get defenses into rotation, kick to 3 point shooters, and score to created more spaced floors and help Ant out. Ant probably has the worst offensive structure around him of any star in the league right now

Monk
Dante
Ant
Randle
Gobert

Naz
Naw
Conley
Rob/Minott/Shannon

This would be a pretty good group. I think then next year:

Monk
Dante
Ant
Naz
Gobert

As far as value, I think it's a fair deal. McDaniels is a really good player and is both one of the best POA defenders and one of the best help/weakside rim defenders in the league. In addition, he's started to play more "4" on offense and his body control/length/touch around the rim along with a pretty solid short midrange jumper with his length allow him to be more impactful offensively. The reason I think this is a fair deal is McDaniels has continued to be inconsistent as a shooter following a slow second half after showing some potential to be high 30s 3 point shooter. I think there's still hope to develop his shot, but on the Wolves roster with Gobert and to a lesser extent Randle the fit isn't great for him on the Wolves. On a team that plays faster, with more spread floors, and with a more offensively talented big compared to Gobert (not even necessarily a great shooter) McDaniels would play a lot better offensively.

with

NAW, Rob, Conley, Minott, and Shannon JR plus the Detroit FRP off the bench gets the Wolves to a lot better roster construction.

[TheZachAttack]

I think Minnesota needs McDaniels as forward depth more than they need Monk. A three team deal where Minnesota sends Randle to a third team and receives Monk makes more sense to me.

I disagree. The Wolves have NAW, Shannon, and Minott who can replace most of Jaden's production. Their biggest need by far is ball handlers who can collapse defenses and create, faster tempo, and more spaced floors.

Monk
Dante
Ant
Randle (Naz)
Gobert

This would make the Wolves a lot more dangerous.

[jayjaysee]

And who is "Green" in your Huerter follow-up deal?

Josh Green.

Just a random add on as I figure a lot would zoom in on how this forces Sac into the tax.. No idea what value goes into it, but seems a base that makes sense.

[jayjaysee]

I think Minnesota needs McDaniels as forward depth more than they need Monk. A three team deal where Minnesota sends Randle to a third team and receives Monk makes more sense to me.

Yeah, I think Minn would be better off trading Randle and a first for Monk honestly.

No idea if Monk is worth the Det first and Randle or worth more than that, or who the third team is that makes that deal make sense... Just the end result is a much better team.

[TheZachAttack]

I think Minnesota needs McDaniels as forward depth more than they need Monk. A three team deal where Minnesota sends Randle to a third team and receives Monk makes more sense to me.

Yeah, I think Minn would be better off trading Randle and a first Monk honestly.

No idea if Monk is worth the Det first and Randle or worth more than that, or who the third team is that makes that deal make sense... Just the end result is a much better team.

I mean, I would trade Randle and the Detroit 1st as a Wolves fan for Monk as well. I thought that the Kings wouldn't want to pair Randle and Sabonis though.

[Texas Chuck]

I maintain way too much gets made of Fox/Monk bffhood. I mean Fox is already at least exploring in his mind an exit and that's with Monk here. But players don't make their decision to leave because you trade a guy they like. Dirk played another 15 years after the little Mavs let Nash go and that was his safely blanket in ways Monk could never be for Fox.

Fox is a grown ass man. He can handle a guy being traded I assure you.

[schaffy]

I'd pass for the Wolves. Whatever they may be attempting to fix on offense they turn around and make the same hole on their defense. NAW's defense is really good but you'd prefer to not have him go long stretches of guarding bigger wings.

They've already got (when healthy) 5 rotation players as PGs or wings - Conly, Dillingham, Ant, DDV, NAW. They dont have a lot of playable forwards and bigger wings -- its Gobert, Randle, Naz, and McDaniels. Minot's improving but he wouldn't be ready to handle the wing minutes freed up by moving McDaniel's, nor am I inclined to want Ant to play them.

Also, 37 year old Conley isnt gong to be able to help cover for Monk on defense. They already are hiding him out there. Because while's hes crafty and smart he's also 37 and 6'. Honestly, the guy most able to help cover for him is getting shipped out in the deal...

[bpcox05]

If you’re looking for proper value, it’s probably fine. If you’re looking for a trade that has any practical chance of happening, this isn’t it. The Kings wouldn’t dare trade Monk unless they’re moving on from Fox as well, and even then, they’d likely keep him as the starting point guard as he has great chemistry with Domas. Giving him that increased role could up his trade value even more, similar to Cam Johnson this year, so if they do decide to blow it up later, they’ll get much more back for Monk.

I don't think that's accurate at all.

During this very offseason, Fox was making comments about Monk's FA. Here's one of those quotes...

"Obviously I think [Monk] was extremely big for us. People who watched us play know he should be Sixth Man of the Year." Fox continued, "At the end of the day, this is a business. I feel like what he gave to us in the two years that he has been here, I feel like he showed his value and what he can do for a team. I'm happy for him regardless of if he's with us or he isn't, and he knows that. At the end of the day, this is a business, and you can only play basketball for so long... Money talks."

Does that sound like a guy that would be up in arms if the Kings decided to move Monk? Not to me. It sounds like a guy who is thinking about the situation rationally and knows that the NBA is a business.

And at the end of the day, Fox just wants what is best for Monk. This trade sets him up to be a starting lead guard/PG on a team with a lot of talent who was just 1 game back from the #1 seed last year, and he gets to play with one of the rising stars (Edwards) who can comfortably slot in next to him at SG or SF long term (vs. Fox and Monk are probably both best at PG). I'm sure Monk would have a lot of fun playing with Edwards considering they both have excellent athleticism, love to get up and dunk over their competition, and have that fire-y personality that wants to get after it and talk some trash.

[bpcox05]

I think Minnesota needs McDaniels as forward depth more than they need Monk. A three team deal where Minnesota sends Randle to a third team and receives Monk makes more sense to me.

Yeah, I think Minn would be better off trading Randle and a first Monk honestly.

No idea if Monk is worth the Det first and Randle or worth more than that, or who the third team is that makes that deal make sense... Just the end result is a much better team.

I mean, I would trade Randle and the Detroit 1st as a Wolves fan for Monk as well. I thought that the Kings wouldn't want to pair Randle and Sabonis though.

Yeah, SAC would not be interested in that trade at all.

[jayjaysee]

Yeah, I think Minn would be better off trading Randle and a first Monk honestly.

No idea if Monk is worth the Det first and Randle or worth more than that, or who the third team is that makes that deal make sense... Just the end result is a much better team.

I mean, I would trade Randle and the Detroit 1st as a Wolves fan for Monk as well. I thought that the Kings wouldn't want to pair Randle and Sabonis though.

Yeah, SAC would not be interested in that trade at all.

Definitely missing the third team though..

[TheZachAttack]

I mean, I would trade Randle and the Detroit 1st as a Wolves fan for Monk as well. I thought that the Kings wouldn't want to pair Randle and Sabonis though.

Yeah, SAC would not be interested in that trade at all.

Definitely missing the third team though..

I think that's what makes it hard because I think most "bad" teams who are taking on Randle would want a future asset in addition to make it "worth it". Then you're having to expand the trade quite a bit and they would probably have to like players like Shannon/Minott/Leonard Miller a lot... guys who are talented but blocked a little bit on the Wolves. I'd be open to it if it allowed us to keep McDaniels.

[bpcox05]

Yeah, SAC would not be interested in that trade at all.

Definitely missing the third team though..

I think that's what makes it hard because I think most "bad" teams who are taking on Randle would want a future asset in addition to make it "worth it". Then you're having to expand the trade quite a bit and they would probably have to like players like Shannon/Minott/Leonard Miller a lot... guys who are talented but blocked a little bit on the Wolves. I'd be open to it if it allowed us to keep McDaniels.

Agreed. I don't really see a 3rd team that would make sense with this framework. That 3rd team would need to prefer Randle & a 1st over Monk AND be able to send a player to SAC that fills a need.

[TheZachAttack]

Definitely missing the third team though..

I think that's what makes it hard because I think most "bad" teams who are taking on Randle would want a future asset in addition to make it "worth it". Then you're having to expand the trade quite a bit and they would probably have to like players like Shannon/Minott/Leonard Miller a lot... guys who are talented but blocked a little bit on the Wolves. I'd be open to it if it allowed us to keep McDaniels.

Agreed. I don't really see a 3rd team that would make sense with this framework. That 3rd team would need to prefer Randle & a 1st over Monk AND be able to send a player to SAC that fills a need.

Exactly and to the extent a team did want Randle. I would rather just go to that team and make a deal with Randle/Detroit FRP/our prospects or something like this for that player. And what are the odds for the Kings that the other player is better than a 24 year old Jaden McDaniels?

[winforlose]

I'd pass for the Wolves. Whatever they may be attempting to fix on offense they turn around and make the same hole on their defense. NAW's defense is really good but you'd prefer to not have him go long stretches of guarding bigger wings.

They've already got (when healthy) 5 rotation players as PGs or wings - Conly, Dillingham, Ant, DDV, NAW. They dont have a lot of playable forwards and bigger wings -- its Gobert, Randle, Naz, and McDaniels. Minot's improving but he wouldn't be ready to handle the wing minutes freed up by moving McDaniel's, nor am I inclined to want Ant to play them.

Also, 37 year old Conley isnt gong to be able to help cover for Monk on defense. They already are hiding him out there. Because while's hes crafty and smart he's also 37 and 6'. Honestly, the guy most able to help cover for him is getting shipped out in the deal...

I agree with most of this, but we don’t have 5 PG worthy players. Jaden is expensive and inconsistent offensively, but we just saw in the Griz game on Saturday how to use Haden correctly. He got 4 easy dunks just by being in motion. He also grabbed 8 boards just by being near the basket instead of chasing guards. Jaden can guard the POA, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he should for all 30+ minutes he plays. He can be an effect roamer being assigned a non shooter and using his length and athleticism to alter/block shots inside. You don’t move Jaden at 24 only to watch him become an all star on another team who uses him better. Instead you move Randle and next year Rudy, and you build the team Ant wants.

[winforlose]

Yeah, SAC would not be interested in that trade at all.

Definitely missing the third team though..

I think that's what makes it hard because I think most "bad" teams who are taking on Randle would want a future asset in addition to make it "worth it". Then you're having to expand the trade quite a bit and they would probably have to like players like Shannon/Minott/Leonard Miller a lot... guys who are talented but blocked a little bit on the Wolves. I'd be open to it if it allowed us to keep McDaniels.

Randle has a player option. This means he is either expiring this year, or next year. Either way that has value. An expiring this year means he could be used to help move a Lavine or Butler in a 3 team deal. An expiring next year does the same thing just with different names. Also Randle has solid numbers across the board this season. Just because he doesn’t fit in MN doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be better with the Spurs or Bulls or Pacers, or Heat to name a few. Even the 76ers could really use him if they could figure out the money side of a deal.