2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 4

[greg4012]

The next leap in Herro's game will come from his handle, and ability to bring the ball up the floor. Right now the solution for defenses when he gets going is to pick him up full court, and apply a ton of pressure to him all the way down the floor. This has gotten weird for Miami late in games, and Herro sometimes has issues beating the press, and handling the ball comfortably that far out.

What is nice to see from Herro is that he is an igniter and is starting to frequently have these double digit scoring quarters where he just takes over the game. If Miami can find him a consistent scoring partner especially another guard, he is going to be tough to deal with. Fox and him would make a crazy backcourt.

Herro working off space created by Fox's speed/slashing would be a lot of fun to watch

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Tyler Herro 6th season
PPG 23.8
REB 5.6
AST 5.0
FT 86.4
FG% 46.9
3P% 40.6
TS% 61.7

Steph Curry 6th season (MVP year and 1st championship season)
PPG 23.8
REB 4.3
AST 7.7
FT 91.4
FG% 48.7
3P% 44.3
TS% 63.8


The stats are eerily similar, and it's wild for Tyler. Without a true second scoring option like Klay, he's been facing double teams every game. The potential ahead is limitless.

And yes there won't be another Steph Curry anymore, It's just to highlight Tyler leap this season.

And yet Tyler may or may not make the All Star team. 23.8 ppg was 6th in the NBA in '14-'15 ... right now 23.8 ppg has Tyler tied for 18th in the NBA.

Different time, different game. And of course, you have to do it all season.

Hopefully I’m wrong but it’s looking like we won’t have an all star this year but I guess I don’t care because the format this year is trash anyways I might now even watch lol.

With Lamelo leading the guard votes the 4 guard spots are locked in at Lamelo Mitchell Dame and Brunson. Then assuming both of the “wild card” spots or whatever you want to call them go to guards (no guarantee they do) I don’t see how you don’t have garland as an all star averaging 21-3-7 at a 70 win pace right now. Then it’s likely between Trae Cade and Herro (surely Haliburton isn’t in it) and Herros only argument over either of them would be if we have a better record than them at the time of the coaches vote with Trae averaging 23-3-12 and Cade averaging 24-7-10 but then again who knows, there’s almost always snubs so maybe that happens for us. We’re currently 1 game ahead of both with a somewhat rough stretch coming up

I can't remember the last time I watched an all star game. NBA, NFL, MLB, or NHL. They are a total waste of time.

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Is the NBA really going to make us send this team into L.A. tonight?

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[AirP.]

There is no such thing. If either the parents are rich the child is rich. It’s purely based off the wealth of the parents. It doesn’t matter who the guardian is. It can be grandma raising the kids. If either parent is a billionaire the child is a billionaire. The guardian gets to manage that wealth.

Right, it's on a sliding scale based on both parents' earnings. The thing that's wrong legally in these situations is that the custodial parent doesn't have to use any of that money on the children as long as he/she maintains the minimum standards for the children. It's kind of ****ed up that there isn't any kind of sliding scale for the minimum quality for the children being taken care of.

There’s nothing legally wrong with it lol. There are already systems in place to make sure that a child is not being neglected. What you’re talking about is nickel and diming and auditing the custodial parent out of what I can only guess is spite. It is spoken like someone who has the benefits of not having to do much of the heavy lifting as a parent, but still not wanting to carry more of the burden financially to make up for it. So wanting to make the other parent who already does and is responsible for more jump through hoops.

As a custodial parent I think the system is horrible. Are there people who try to get join custodial parent status to lower their child support, absolutely but I've seen by far more non-custodial parents using children as a paycheck. I came from a smaller town ~5000, and went to the USAF, both situations I saw father's lives just destroyed by the custodial parent by not doing much as in maintaining minimum standards for the children. It's not a great life to be a father, spending a good portion of their paycheck to child support and really have little to no say in their lives. Although there are some dead-beat dads out there that don't do anything with their children and the mother does it all but there's mothers out there that do as much as they can to not let the fathers see their children.

What actually needs to happen is the court system needs to more closely monitor situations where the parent requests joint custody in order to avoid or reduce child support, but dumps the kid with some other guardian like a nanny or a female family member whenever the child is supposed to be in their care. In the case of athletes, I can tell you that happens a lot more frequently than whatever it is you’re talking about.

What? No, that would be way more expensive (you'd need way more workers, there's not enough as it is) and be more invasive into people's lives even more than they are now (I've delt with family services, a lot of them are not good at their jobs). Let me give you an example, I needed to show that I had insurance for my child since I changed companies (which a lot of parents probably do in their lives), it took around 6 months for family services to update my information, why? Luckily the person in family services I had been going to their office every 3-4 weeks (to try to fix this) decided to do me a solid and called in a favor for me to have another family service person "rush" my situation and in 2 minutes it was done.

No, I don't think it happens even close to what I'm talking about, just my time in the USAF has shown me that and I was only at a couple of bases and came from a smaller town. There's not that many professional athletes total in the United States compared to the numbers I'd expect to see. The worst of it, I don't know how or if it can be fixed but I do know throwing more money at the problem probably won't fix it.

Sorry, this went way off topic, move it to the off-topic area if you want (continue down there if you want to).

[Enso]

Is the NBA really going to make us send this team into L.A. tonight?

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Yeah i don’t get it lol they’re expecting heavy winds again today

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[Seabass777]

At this point with this market - Id' say there's a 95% chance Jimmy finishes the season here.

We won't take on beal, and no other team is very interested in Jimmy.

I think Jimmy is smart enough and rational enough to realize he played himself into a corner, and his way to minimize the damage in image and salary is to be a good soldier from now on and play well for the rest of the season.

Some in the locker room might not like it, some fans might not like it, some in the front office might not like it - But we're stuck with him and he's stuck with us for the time being. If he can get his act together it might work well enough, at least until the end of the season when he can opt out (he might not do that IMO, but that's a different story we'll cross that bridge when we get there).

No way Jimmy ever plays for us again. He poisoned the well. The players based on their comments after the Blazers game, have moved on from him, and are finally in a good head space, and playing well.

The damage is done, you don’t want to fk up the locker room with more drama, and toxicity, it’s bad for the front office, the coaches, and the players, no one wants to go to war with a quitter. It’s one thing for a player to have beef with the front office, but for a player to quit on his teammates as well??

Oof. I don’t know how the nuisances will play out as far as him sitting out, and suspensions go from here are on out, but I do know one thing if Jimmy suits up for us again, it’s gonna get even more ugly lol.

[BBallFreak]

I posted this on the trade board:

So, Jimmy has made it known that he wants one team and one team only - Phoenix. And they want him, too. Badly, according to reports. Only problem is, Phoenix has to offload Beal (because they're not trading Booker or Durant) to make it happen. We all know that Beal has an NTC and a 15% kicker. Even without that, he's a hard sell for other teams. So Phoenix is very unlikely. And Miami needs to communicate that to his agent if they haven't already.

Jimmy could just stay in Miami this year and opt out, but the only team with enough cap space to sign him to the kind of deal he wants - Brooklyn - is said to have no interest in him (and that's putting it kindly).

Jimmy may have to opt in and hope that Phoenix can find a way to offload Beal in the offseason and force his way there, then. I don't see that being any easier at that point. The same NTC/15% kicker are going to exist.

That leaves Jimmy with his best option, which is widening his trade circle and agreeing to opt in with his new team, or resigning himself to playing joylessly in Miami for the next year and a half. It's my belief that he will widen the circle, but who takes the chance on him and who is he willing to accept?

Memphis and Milwaukee both looked poised to make a run at him, but he told them not to. Do they reapproach? If not them, who? What does he fetch on the open market given his malcontentedness? Does he play nice in Miami?

What are your thoughts?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Herro
Highsmith
Jimmy
KD
Bam

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[Shewasfly]

Right, it's on a sliding scale based on both parents' earnings. The thing that's wrong legally in these situations is that the custodial parent doesn't have to use any of that money on the children as long as he/she maintains the minimum standards for the children. It's kind of ****ed up that there isn't any kind of sliding scale for the minimum quality for the children being taken care of.

There’s nothing legally wrong with it lol. There are already systems in place to make sure that a child is not being neglected. What you’re talking about is nickel and diming and auditing the custodial parent out of what I can only guess is spite. It is spoken like someone who has the benefits of not having to do much of the heavy lifting as a parent, but still not wanting to carry more of the burden financially to make up for it. So wanting to make the other parent who already does and is responsible for more jump through hoops.

As a custodial parent I think the system is horrible. Are there people who try to get join custodial parent status to lower their child support, absolutely but I've seen by far more non-custodial parents using children as a paycheck. I came from a smaller town ~5000, and went to the USAF, both situations I saw father's lives just destroyed by the custodial parent by not doing much as in maintaining minimum standards for the children. It's not a great life to be a father, spending a good portion of their paycheck to child support and really have little to no say in their lives. Although there are some dead-beat dads out there that don't do anything with their children and the mother does it all but there's mothers out there that do as much as they can to not let the fathers see their children.

What actually needs to happen is the court system needs to more closely monitor situations where the parent requests joint custody in order to avoid or reduce child support, but dumps the kid with some other guardian like a nanny or a female family member whenever the child is supposed to be in their care. In the case of athletes, I can tell you that happens a lot more frequently than whatever it is you’re talking about.

What? No, that would be way more expensive (you'd need way more workers, there's not enough as it is) and be more invasive into people's lives even more than they are now (I've delt with family services, a lot of them are not good at their jobs). Let me give you an example, I needed to show that I had insurance for my child since I changed companies (which a lot of parents probably do in their lives), it took around 6 months for family services to update my information, why? Luckily the person in family services I had been going to their office every 3-4 weeks (to try to fix this) decided to do me a solid and called in a favor for me to have another family service person "rush" my situation and in 2 minutes it was done.

No, I don't think it happens even close to what I'm talking about, just my time in the USAF has shown me that and I was only at a couple of bases and came from a smaller town. There's not that many professional athletes total in the United States compared to the numbers I'd expect to see. The worst of it, I don't know how or if it can be fixed but I do know throwing more money at the problem probably won't fix it.

Sorry, this went way off topic, move it to the off-topic area if you want (continue down there if you want to).

The average child support payment is like $500 lol. I look at some of these single mothers and pity them and especially their kids. Because if $500 was all that was being used on a kid, social services would be even more backlogged. Idk if you’re married or a parent, but that isn’t even a quarter of the costs, and you can ask actual involved fathers and they’d say the same . Like I said, this is all spoken like spiteful non-custodial parents who want to nickel and dime and audit the custodial parent despite their, relatively speaking, lack of responsibility for the child. The types who swear they are being kept away from their kid but don’t know who their kids teachers are, their allergies, stay in a bachelor pad and live their life like it’s just them while the custodial parent adjusts her whole life every day to accommodate being a parent.

So no, I don’t think I have more to say on the topic. The evidence speaks for itself I think. And don’t think I’m changing your mind and you certainly wouldn’t change mine, so we can move on.

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Yup. Seeing this, along with the way JJJ has been playing recently, along with Bam and Herro, gives you a lot of hope. Without Jimmy, it feels young and fresh. Move him for good role players on two year deals and a pick, and move on with the guys who want to be here and are showing why they deserve to be here.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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What’s the hold up then?

[BBallFreak]

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What’s the hold up then?

What we're getting back would be my guess. The Suns have one tradable pick.

If he goes to the Bucks, that means they have to find a taker for Conaughton and we're getting Middleton and Portis. Not much of a haul for us.

If it's Chicago, and that would make no sense with LaVine there, then it's Vuc and Ball. That works better, but why would the Bulls do that?

[Hoops3355]

The next leap in Herro's game will come from his handle, and ability to bring the ball up the floor. Right now the solution for defenses when he gets going is to pick him up full court, and apply a ton of pressure to him all the way down the floor. This has gotten weird for Miami late in games, and Herro sometimes has issues beating the press, and handling the ball comfortably that far out.

What is nice to see from Herro is that he is an igniter and is starting to frequently have these double digit scoring quarters where he just takes over the game. If Miami can find him a consistent scoring partner especially another guard, he is going to be tough to deal with. Fox and him would make a crazy backcourt.

Herro working off space created by Fox's speed/slashing would be a lot of fun to watch

In Riles We Trust - 2026

Fox definitely is the best fit. Just need that new coach bounce to wear off and them to go back to the norm. His contract starts at 59.5mish from what I was reading. We'd be a 163.9 (not sure what Robinson and Highsmiths existence looks like but their holds are gonna be 12.6 and 29.8 respectively so they're renouncing both of those for certain

2026 Napkin Math sponsored by ChatGPT featuring Fox as the place holder

- 7 players under contract (*Fox*, Pelle, Jovic, JJJ, Ware, Herro, Bam)
- Salary Cap - 170.1m
- Committed Salaries - 163.9m
- Space with 1 Max - 6.193

Available Options - Full MLE 12m and Bi-Annual 4m

Think this is a nasty setup plus who knows what the fringe guys look like. Keshad definitely gonna be a on LT contract. Still think we end up going after a PF or C with the MLE (Nick Richards type guy would be nice) and then bringing Robinson on the cheap and we probably have Dru Smith doing a Benjamin Button.

This is AN EXAMPLE NO PITCHFORKS YOU BUMS

C: Ware - Free Agent - KLove Type
PF: Bam - Keshad Johnson
SF : Jovic - JJJ - Pelle
SG: Herro - Robinson - Dev Guy
PG: Fox* + Dru Smith* + Dev Guy

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I posted this on the trade board:

So, Jimmy has made it known that he wants one team and one team only - Phoenix. And they want him, too. Badly, according to reports. Only problem is, Phoenix has to offload Beal (because they're not trading Booker or Durant) to make it happen. We all know that Beal has an NTC and a 15% kicker. Even without that, he's a hard sell for other teams. So Phoenix is very unlikely. And Miami needs to communicate that to his agent if they haven't already.

Jimmy could just stay in Miami this year and opt out, but the only team with enough cap space to sign him to the kind of deal he wants - Brooklyn - is said to have no interest in him (and that's putting it kindly).

Jimmy may have to opt in and hope that Phoenix can find a way to offload Beal in the offseason and force his way there, then. I don't see that being any easier at that point. The same NTC/15% kicker are going to exist.

That leaves Jimmy with his best option, which is widening his trade circle and agreeing to opt in with his new team, or resigning himself to playing joylessly in Miami for the next year and a half. It's my belief that he will widen the circle, but who takes the chance on him and who is he willing to accept?

Memphis and Milwaukee both looked poised to make a run at him, but he told them not to. Do they reapproach? If not them, who? What does he fetch on the open market given his malcontentedness? Does he play nice in Miami?

What are your thoughts?

If Jimmy is going to budge from his Phoenix only position, we'll find out in the next 3 weeks. It makes no sense for him to stick to it through the trade deadline only to change his mind after the season. I suspect that he will agree to accept a trade elsewhere ... assuming the Heat can find any takers at all at this point.

[greg4012]

Kel'el Ware is averaging 12 mpg right now, but as was the expectation, his role and opportunity should grow as the season progresses so long as he proves ready for it. That seems to be happening, as he has played over 15 minutes in 6 of the last 7 games after having only crossed that threshold once in his first 15 games where he got minutes.

Here are Ware's per 36 numbers so far:
17.4 points
8.8 rebounds
1.4 assists
1.6 turnovers
1.4 steals
2.6 blocks
3.3 fouls


We all can see the high level play finishing, paint deterrence, and difference he provides on the court. But for a young big, what he's not doing is equally as or more important for earning more minutes. He's not turning the ball over or fouling at too high a rate. IMO those are key metrics to monitor for him to continue earning more minutes bc young bigs (and young players in general) tend to get out of whack when they're pressing to do too much or not sure what they're doing and it results in a lot of bonehead plays that costs their team possessions. Ware continues to impress me by being somewhat ahead of schedule on his progression here.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Kel'el Ware is averaging 12 mpg right now, but as was the expectation, his role and opportunity should grow as the season progresses so long as he proves ready for it. That seems to be happening, as he has played over 15 minutes in 6 of the last 7 games after having only crossed that threshold once in his first 15 games where he got minutes.

Here are Ware's per 36 numbers so far:
17.4 points
8.8 rebounds
1.4 assists
1.6 turnovers
1.4 steals
2.6 blocks
3.3 fouls


We all can see the high level play finishing, paint deterrence, and difference he provides on the court. But for a young big, what he's not doing is equally as or more important for earning more minutes. He's not turning the ball over or fouling at a high rate. IMO those are key metrics to monitor for him to continue earning more minutes bc young bigs (and young players in general) tend to get out of whack when they're pressing to do too much or not sure what they're doing and it results in a lot of bonehead plays that costs their team possessions. Ware continues to impress me by being somewhat ahead of schedule on his progression here.

Hopefully that progression leads to minutes with Bam and eventually starting with Bam. Smallball has been King and rightfully so, we’ve had tons of success with it but I’m curious to see change post Jimmy and I think they can play very well off each other

[3ammy3uck3ts]

It’s likely we’re trying to fleece the fuxk out of everyone in trade negotiations, if so I wonder if that changes the closer we get to the deadline