Fix it: Nurkic for Nick Richards & Cody Martin

[jayjaysee]

I think once you try to get a first from any other team for this duo, you realize the price needs to be lower..

But as an outsider wanting to try and make a deal work.. if Dallas isn’t doing anything else with their first this year and wants to duck the tax?

Maxi, Exum, 2025 first for Martin, Charlotte 2nd
Nurk, 3 seconds for Richards and Maxi
Richards, Martin, Charlotte 2nd for Nurk, Exum, Dallas first, 3 seconds

You put top 14 protection on the first and give CLT back the 2nd and the Philly 2nd if Dallas misses the playoffs? Meh.

[jayjaysee]

But I would think the compromise is just Okogie and two 2nds for Richards.. two 2031 2nds?

[K_chile22]

Suns are already so overextended I don't think it's wise to use more assets to turn your bad starting center into another bad starting center of a different font. Just wait. They don't have any decently sized tradable salary after doing something like this, less assets and not really any better

[DirtyDez]

The Suns would include their 31’ 1st before trading Dunn but wouldn’t include either for any iteration of a Nurk/Richards deal. If Charlotte doesn’t feel like they need to rid themselves of Grant Williams it doesn’t sound like a good match.

[MasterIchiro]

The Suns would include their 31’ 1st before trading Dunn but wouldn’t include either for any iteration of a Nurk/Richards deal. If Charlotte doesn’t feel like they need to rid themselves of Grant Williams it doesn’t sound like a good match.

I think it would be Grant Williams if anything. Hornets have Miles at PF and invested pick 6 in Salaün as PF behind Grant. If Salaün develops, there is no point to Grant Williams. He's out for the season with a torn ACL, and may not be close to 100% next year, with Salaün maybe improving and earning more minutes.

If the base of the deal is Nurkic plus 2 Nuggets 2nds for Richards plus one other player, that player is not Martin, Micić nor Green. At least Green is on the floor now and will play at 100% next season. Plus he's still young and can improve, although I'm not a big believer.

I like the deal more if Hornets can flip Nurkic for Huerter.

[HornetJail]

I personally couldn't care less which combo of Richards/Micic/Martin/Grant/Green go out, I just want to be fairly compensated for eating Nurkic and saving the Suns some precious tax money.

Phoenix and Denver's 2031 2nds aren't cutting it for me, and the multiple swaps on their existing 2026, 2028, and 2030 1sts make them completely worthless unless we are a contender or all the involved teams are bad.

That leaves the 2031 1st which I know they're not gonna want to trade, but I'd push for it and REALLY try to pretend Nick Richards is serviceable.

[jayjaysee]

I personally couldn't care less which combo of Richards/Micic/Martin/Grant/Green go out, I just want to be fairly compensated for eating Nurkic and saving the Suns some precious tax money.

Phoenix and Denver's 2031 2nds aren't cutting it for me, and the multiple swaps on their existing 2026, 2028, and 2030 1sts make them completely worthless unless we are a contender or all the involved teams are bad.

That leaves the 2031 1st which I know they're not gonna want to trade, but I'd push for it and REALLY try to pretend Nick Richards is serviceable.

I know Dallas fans won’t side with me and it’s probably another rough idea..

Gafford and Powell to Phoenix
Nurk, Exum, Dallas first and “those distant 2nds from Phoenix” to CLT
Richards, Martin, Oso and “one of CLT’s early 2nds”to Dallas

Something around that? Give or take second?

Dallas keeps decent center depth, but gets under the tax. Martin hopefully adds some quality minutes behind Klay/Naji

[hcsilla]

I personally couldn't care less which combo of Richards/Micic/Martin/Grant/Green go out, I just want to be fairly compensated for eating Nurkic and saving the Suns some precious tax money.

Phoenix and Denver's 2031 2nds aren't cutting it for me, and the multiple swaps on their existing 2026, 2028, and 2030 1sts make them completely worthless unless we are a contender or all the involved teams are bad.

That leaves the 2031 1st which I know they're not gonna want to trade, but I'd push for it and REALLY try to pretend Nick Richards is serviceable.

I know Dallas fans won’t side with me and it’s probably another rough idea..

Gafford and Powell to Phoenix
Nurk, Exum, Dallas first and “those distant 2nds from Phoenix” to CLT
Richards, Martin, Oso and “one of CLT’s early 2nds”to Dallas

Something around that? Give or take second?

Dallas keeps decent center depth, but gets under the tax. Martin hopefully adds some quality minutes behind Klay/Naji

The Suns say no, unless you take out Ighodaro.

[jayjaysee]

I personally couldn't care less which combo of Richards/Micic/Martin/Grant/Green go out, I just want to be fairly compensated for eating Nurkic and saving the Suns some precious tax money.

Phoenix and Denver's 2031 2nds aren't cutting it for me, and the multiple swaps on their existing 2026, 2028, and 2030 1sts make them completely worthless unless we are a contender or all the involved teams are bad.

That leaves the 2031 1st which I know they're not gonna want to trade, but I'd push for it and REALLY try to pretend Nick Richards is serviceable.

I know Dallas fans won’t side with me and it’s probably another rough idea..

Gafford and Powell to Phoenix
Nurk, Exum, Dallas first and “those distant 2nds from Phoenix” to CLT
Richards, Martin, Oso and “one of CLT’s early 2nds”to Dallas

Something around that? Give or take second?

Dallas keeps decent center depth, but gets under the tax. Martin hopefully adds some quality minutes behind Klay/Naji

The Suns say no, unless you take out Ighodaro.

I think maybe that has Dallas walking away? And most Dallas fans probably weren’t with it. The tiny contract/asset helps duck the tax while correcting the value. Maybe 2 seconds to CLT and one to Dallas makes it work? I don’t know there.

Or maybe try to build value off an Allen/Klay swap? Ends up being Klay for Nurk, Allen for Gafford.

If there wasn’t all that Butler noise, I think that base could be interesting for both sides? Assuming you can keep Dallas under the apron as part of it..

[JMAC3]

Call me crazy but Charlotte having Nurkic contract next year makes them super interesting in trades.
The big issue with Phoenix and why it is so hard to trade him is because they are in the 2nd apron so they can't aggregate with it and every deal has to be just perfect to make it work salary wise.

Fast forward to this summer if Charlotte were to trade Josh Green and Nick Richards in this deal. They would have 30 million in cap space plus the Nurkic contract which would be roughly 50 million they could accept in a trade back. Charlotte has extra firsts laying around, they could be aggressive and not have to rely on the team taking Miles Bridges back as the salary in a large deal.

Not sure this is my favorite trade idea, but I could see how this would be manageable from the Hornets viewpoint.

[HornetJail]

Call me crazy but Charlotte having Nurkic contract next year makes them super interesting in trades.
The big issue with Phoenix and why it is so hard to trade him is because they are in the 2nd apron so they can't aggregate with it and every deal has to be just perfect to make it work salary wise.

Fast forward to this summer if Charlotte were to trade Josh Green and Nick Richards in this deal. They would have 30 million in cap space plus the Nurkic contract which would be roughly 50 million they could accept in a trade back. Charlotte has extra firsts laying around, they could be aggressive and not have to rely on the team taking Miles Bridges back as the salary in a large deal.

Not sure this is my favorite trade idea, but I could see how this would be manageable from the Hornets viewpoint.

Having actual cap space makes us interesting in trades too. Far more interesting than making a team eat Nurkic. There's a pretty easy scenario in which we could clear 30M-40M. I don't really expect us to go that route (which is why I'm ok eating nurk with an interesting pick attached), but it's there.

[Pattycakes]

Should have spent less time complaining every call and learning fundamentals, maybe we wouldn’t be here Nurk