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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#341 » by fleet » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:05 pm

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I would love Ben Johnson or McCarthy with Rivera as DC. Now we are cooking.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#343 » by fleet » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:12 pm

Maybe Jerry Jones has Ben Johnson on a string.
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Post#344 » by nitetrain8603 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:13 pm

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I just don’t understand what Jerry is really working at here. You deny a team permission to talk to him but instead he seems content to let the clock run out on the window to negotiate with him exclusively. Why do that?


Chances are, he wants to keep him but he either wants more money than Jerry thinks he can get on the open market or he wants more control than Jerry is willing to concede. I think it's the latter as I heard rumors that Mike wants to bring in some of his own people for the coaching staff.

My guess is they talked about it, couldn't come to an agreement, and now we are here. I think both were earnest in trying to keep the relationship going which is a first for Jerry. He just wants too much control.

With that stated, I fully expect folks to leverage Dallas for more money. I can't see Ben Johnson putting up with Jerry, however.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#345 » by nitetrain8603 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:14 pm

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I would love Ben Johnson or McCarthy with Rivera as DC. Now we are cooking.


As would I. Or Carroll, tbh
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#346 » by jnrjr79 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:37 pm

fleet wrote:Maybe Jerry Jones has Ben Johnson on a string.


I'm waiting for a report that they're trying other trade for Tomlin.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#347 » by Betta Bulleavit » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:45 pm

So, with McCarthy being available now, does it change anyone’s order on their HC of choice?
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#348 » by jnrjr79 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:10 pm

Betta Bulleavit wrote:So, with McCarthy being available now, does it change anyone’s order on their HC of choice?


He's not particularly high on my list, but I would take him over some of the many other candidates that have been interviewed, I guess.

It's always hard to say because IMO it's easier for fans to have an opinion on people who have been a head coach before than to really have good opinions on coordinators.

For instance, I am confident Ben Johnson is an excellent OC/playcaller, but I have no idea how he would do with the leadership aspects of being a HC. But I'd still gamble on him over McCarthy, if given the choice.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#349 » by Betta Bulleavit » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:14 pm

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Betta Bulleavit wrote:So, with McCarthy being available now, does it change anyone’s order on their HC of choice?


He's not particularly high on my list, but I would take him over some of the many other candidates that have been interviewed, I guess.

It's always hard to say because IMO it's easier for fans to have an opinion on people who have been a head coach before than to really have good opinions on coordinators.

For instance, I am confident Ben Johnson is an excellent OC/playcaller, but I have no idea how he would do with the leadership aspects of being a HC. But I'd still gamble on him over McCarthy, if given the choice.

Agreed. Up until now, my top 3 in order were:

Johnson
Carroll
Kingsbury

That has now changed to:
Johnson
Carroll
McCarthy
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#350 » by fleet » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:16 pm

Betta Bulleavit wrote:So, with McCarthy being available now, does it change anyone’s order on their HC of choice?

Ben Johnson is the only coordinator I would hire. And he is my first choice. I would then probably go Kingsbury McCarthy Flores Carroll.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#351 » by Jcool0 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:18 pm

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Betta Bulleavit wrote:So, with McCarthy being available now, does it change anyone’s order on their HC of choice?


He's not particularly high on my list, but I would take him over some of the many other candidates that have been interviewed, I guess.

It's always hard to say because IMO it's easier for fans to have an opinion on people who have been a head coach before than to really have good opinions on coordinators.

For instance, I am confident Ben Johnson is an excellent OC/playcaller, but I have no idea how he would do with the leadership aspects of being a HC. But I'd still gamble on him over McCarthy, if given the choice.

Agreed. Up until now, my top 3 in order were:

Johnson
Carroll
Kingsbury

That has now changed to:
Johnson
Carroll
McCarthy


Kingsbury is an awful head coach he didn't have a winning record with Patrick Mahomes throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. Carroll is washed up and 73.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#352 » by Betta Bulleavit » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:26 pm

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He's not particularly high on my list, but I would take him over some of the many other candidates that have been interviewed, I guess.

It's always hard to say because IMO it's easier for fans to have an opinion on people who have been a head coach before than to really have good opinions on coordinators.

For instance, I am confident Ben Johnson is an excellent OC/playcaller, but I have no idea how he would do with the leadership aspects of being a HC. But I'd still gamble on him over McCarthy, if given the choice.

Agreed. Up until now, my top 3 in order were:

Johnson
Carroll
Kingsbury

That has now changed to:
Johnson
Carroll
McCarthy


Kingsbury is an awful head coach he didn't have a winning record with Patrick Mahomes throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. Carroll is washed up and 73.

I say Kingsbury mainly because of his connection to Caleb and potentially knowing how to get the most out of a Caleb led offense.

Just because a coach is in his 70s doesn’t mean that he’s washed. I’ve heard a couple of Pete Carroll interviews since he parted ways with Seattle and you can tell that his coaching chops are still there. Seattle didn’t move on from him because he was finished. They moved on because they simply thought it was time for a new voice. Two different things.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#353 » by fleet » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:26 pm

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He's not particularly high on my list, but I would take him over some of the many other candidates that have been interviewed, I guess.

It's always hard to say because IMO it's easier for fans to have an opinion on people who have been a head coach before than to really have good opinions on coordinators.

For instance, I am confident Ben Johnson is an excellent OC/playcaller, but I have no idea how he would do with the leadership aspects of being a HC. But I'd still gamble on him over McCarthy, if given the choice.

Agreed. Up until now, my top 3 in order were:

Johnson
Carroll
Kingsbury

That has now changed to:
Johnson
Carroll
McCarthy


Kingsbury is an awful head coach he didn't have a winning record with Patrick Mahomes throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. Carroll is washed up and 73.


Bill Belichick’s record without Brady is like 83-104. I don’t believe Kingsbury had Brady either. Mahomes has said that Kingsbury helped him become the player he is today. I’m sure Jayden Daniels will say the same.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#354 » by Jcool0 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:31 pm

Betta Bulleavit wrote:
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Betta Bulleavit wrote:Agreed. Up until now, my top 3 in order were:

Johnson
Carroll
Kingsbury

That has now changed to:
Johnson
Carroll
McCarthy


Kingsbury is an awful head coach he didn't have a winning record with Patrick Mahomes throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. Carroll is washed up and 73.

I say Kingsbury mainly because of his connection to Caleb and potentially knowing how to get the most out of a Caleb led offense.

Just because a coach is in his 70s doesn’t mean that he’s washed. I’ve heard a couple of Pete Carroll interviews since he parted ways with Seattle and you can tell that his coaching chops are still there. Seattle didn’t move on from him because he was finished. They moved on because they simply thought it was time for a new voice. Two different things.


Carroll made the playoffs once in his last 3 seasons and was 3-6 in hist last 9 playoff games. His last top 10 defense was in 2016. And the last OC he hired was Shane Waldron.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#355 » by cocktailswith_2short » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:32 pm

Mccarthy sucks .
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#356 » by patryk7754 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:36 pm

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Kingsbury is an awful head coach he didn't have a winning record with Patrick Mahomes throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. Carroll is washed up and 73.

I say Kingsbury mainly because of his connection to Caleb and potentially knowing how to get the most out of a Caleb led offense.

Just because a coach is in his 70s doesn’t mean that he’s washed. I’ve heard a couple of Pete Carroll interviews since he parted ways with Seattle and you can tell that his coaching chops are still there. Seattle didn’t move on from him because he was finished. They moved on because they simply thought it was time for a new voice. Two different things.


Carroll made the playoffs once in his last 3 seasons and was 3-6 in hist last 9 playoff games. His last top 10 defense was in 2016. And the last OC he hired was Shane Waldron.

Carrol shouldn't be judged because his last OC was bad. He's had numerous assistants either become head coaches or get a lot of interest to be a HC, on both offense and defense. And the coaches he had behind Waldron were great and went on to be really good Ocs and HCs.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#357 » by jnrjr79 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:36 pm

fleet wrote:
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Betta Bulleavit wrote:Agreed. Up until now, my top 3 in order were:

Johnson
Carroll
Kingsbury

That has now changed to:
Johnson
Carroll
McCarthy


Kingsbury is an awful head coach he didn't have a winning record with Patrick Mahomes throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. Carroll is washed up and 73.


Bill Belichick’s record without Brady is like 83-104. I don’t believe Kingsbury had Brady either. Mahomes has said that Kingsbury helped him become the player he is today. I’m sure Jayden Daniels will say the same.


This is good argument for KK, but my concern is that he seems to succeed when he's in a coordinator/consultant role and did not succeed as a head coach. There are a lot of guys who are cut out for coordinator jobs that just don't have the skills to be a HC. And KK himself has said he's happier in the coordinator role (though is open to another HC job under the right circumstances).
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#358 » by Jcool0 » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:37 pm

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Betta Bulleavit wrote:Agreed. Up until now, my top 3 in order were:

Johnson
Carroll
Kingsbury

That has now changed to:
Johnson
Carroll
McCarthy


Kingsbury is an awful head coach he didn't have a winning record with Patrick Mahomes throwing for 5000 yards and 40 TDs. Carroll is washed up and 73.


Bill Belichick’s record without Brady is like 83-104. I don’t believe Kingsbury had Brady either. Mahomes has said that Kingsbury helped him become the player he is today. I’m sure Jayden Daniels will say the same.


Not sure what Belichick has to do with with but okay. He was also 28-37 in AZ. He isnt a good head coach.
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Re: Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft 

Post#359 » by biggestbullsfan » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:38 pm

fleet wrote:Maybe Jerry Jones has Ben Johnson on a string.


This is the only reason I can think of. Everyone wants in on Ben. I feel like we are falling behind smh.
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Post#360 » by biggestbullsfan » Mon Jan 13, 2025 6:45 pm

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