2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part II

[Ghost of Kleine]

I've mentioned these considerations from the vet minimum /unsigned pool as players that we should strongly consider, as we're currently more beggars than choosers in our current situation, devoid of any legitimate draft assets or cap space. So then, how do we find solutions for our roster deficiencies under these incredibly restrictive conditions as a 2nd apron team?

We'll the one avenue that we're not at all restricted by is the vet minimum options we might add to our roster as they don't count against our cap. Additionally, for those years that we don't even have a draft pick to utilize, we would do ourselves a disservice by not at the very least exploring some of these young players that still have impressive skillsets and untapped upside. BOTH as potential assets to be showcased as well as potential key contributors based on their untapped upside and individual skill sets. In our current predicament, we owe it to ourselves to explore the possibilities of how these unsigned players could offer a low-risk/high-reward contribution to our team. And very possibly transform into more additional valued trade assets that we could utilize at minimal cost.

Vet minimum free agency unsigned options

1- Mike Muscala.
A 6'11 240 lb power forward/center who is a career 37% 3 PT shooter. I believe that he could flourish as a versatile, gritty floor spacing big in our system and could be a Brook Lopez type project (sans rim protection) under Budenholzer.

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2- Olivier Sarr.
A 7 foot 237 lb Young athletic versatile forward/center (the 25 yr old older brother of recent Wizards lottery pick Alex Sarr who possesses many similar attributes/ talents. Is a crafty passer, good ballhandler, high-end athlete/ rim runner/shot-blocker who also just happens to shoot 37% from three! He's high motor and physical too. He'd be great interchangeably with Ighodaro due to his floor spacing and weakside shot blocking! His per 36 numbers are really impressive: 12 points/ 13 rebounds/ 2.6 blocks. 66TS%.

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3- Markelle Fultz.
A very talented young, athletic, strong 6'5 guard who still possesses immense upside and lead guard potential. That'd be a great value swing for us getting a former lottery pick guard for the vet minimum. And if he shows out, then he might return a solid asset like a first or a couple of 2nds. And he'd be a solid low-cost stopgap until we could get Lonzo Ball somehow hopefully.

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4- Terquavion Smith.
A young, very quick, athletic, high motor 6'4 shooting guard who's a streaky shooter but still a 37% 3 PT shooter for his career. Smith is a really good long-range shooter with deep range and a quick release. He's disruptive on defense getting steals and deflections sometimes but is primarily a gunner similar to Bons Hyland/ or a skinnier Jordan Clarkson microwave scorer.

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5- Ibou Dianko Badji.
A very long 7'1 240 lb center with a 7'8 wingspan and a high motor. Badji although still very young at only 22 years old has incredible defensive upside because he's incredibly long, athletic, and fast/ switchable for his size! He just needs time and reps to adjust and grow to the NBA game/ speed. But his size, length, athleticism, and footspeed/ability to cover ground and recover are elite. H's a very low-risk immense upside rim running shot blocking specialist center. He's also got a very smooth developing mid-range jumper!
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Yep! And he moves really well, plays above the rim/ rotates/ recovers really well to block shots, and hits the three at a 37% clip with could open up the floor for us more too. That's incredible value for a vet min player. And we really have to take more swings on potential and upside because we just don't have the assets or cap space to get any known commodities currently.

This would be a very clever pivot consideration for us to find low cost contributors and potential escalating value trade assets to replenish what we give up in the Richards trade.

[Puff]

I think they should start Allen over Tyus. I know they may have promised they would start him but they could say they have. It's not like it matters.

Then bring Beal in first off the bench for whoeever comes out, then Royce, then Tyus, then Morris or Okogie.....Oso goes in when Plumlee comes out.

So you wanna run Greyson at the point? I don't like that idea. At all. Kinda takes us back to what we were before imo. We need to have an actual guy to play the position.

If we're talking about adding Fultz when he's healthy and playing him there, that's another thing. I've just had enough of playing guys out of their natural position.

No, I want more size and defense (Royce to start would be fine too, but I figure with Dunn, Grayson makes more sense as the 2nd guard). Book is running the point. Tyus is playing a small shooting guard, and he doesn't add much for defense. If you are not going to have Tyus initiating the offense, there is no point in starting him at all. Grayson is better as a guy you want hustling, shooting the 3 and defending.

Tyus dribbles the ball up past halfcourt and throws it to KD or Book and then runs to the corner.


There is very little reason for us to be playing Tyus ahead of like 7 players if he is not going to be running the offense, playing point. His 3pt shooting is good but so are the alternates, and we need most hustle and defense.

I'm saying this as a guy who loves Tyus too. But when Book is making it a point to be the primary distributor and we have him and KD initiating offense, we need more defense/role playing around them, 3&D guys than PGs. I know a couple of people still wish we had Paul but I think we need more size and D.

Finally, someone sees what I see. That describes exactly what I see from Tyus. Yeah, I would like to have CP3 of 21 directing the offense in the 4th quarter but that ship has sailed. We desperately need more size and we have some on our bench. Our major problem is not getting up enough shots. We just do not get many 2nd chance points, and we turn the ball over too much. I like the idea of either Allen or O'Neale to replace Jones in the starting lineup. We also need another center to replace Nurkic and to take Plumlee's minutes. When we get up the same number or more shots than our opponent, I expect our record is pretty damn good.

I know Nurkic had his problems, but he did rebound the ball pretty well on most nights. Whoever we get to replace him better be a damn good rebounder or what is the point. I like Oso but he seems too small. Williams had a field day against Plumlee last night.

If we do trade Allen, we better get someone pretty good. He deserves more minutes. Tyus deserves less minutes.

This team is in the hands of Point Book and KD.

[bwgood77]

So you wanna run Greyson at the point? I don't like that idea. At all. Kinda takes us back to what we were before imo. We need to have an actual guy to play the position.

If we're talking about adding Fultz when he's healthy and playing him there, that's another thing. I've just had enough of playing guys out of their natural position.

No, I want more size and defense (Royce to start would be fine too, but I figure with Dunn, Grayson makes more sense as the 2nd guard). Book is running the point. Tyus is playing a small shooting guard, and he doesn't add much for defense. If you are not going to have Tyus initiating the offense, there is no point in starting him at all. Grayson is better as a guy you want hustling, shooting the 3 and defending.

Tyus dribbles the ball up past halfcourt and throws it to KD or Book and then runs to the corner.

There is very little reason for us to be playing Tyus ahead of like 7 players if he is not going to be running the offense, playing point. His 3pt shooting is good but so are the alternates, and we need most hustle and defense.

I'm saying this as a guy who loves Tyus too. But when Book is making it a point to be the primary distributor and we have him and KD initiating offense, we need more defense/role playing around them, 3&D guys than PGs. I know a couple of people still wish we had Paul but I think we need more size and D.

I've never liked Point Book. I'd rather keep Tyus in there and have him run it more. Don't like Greyson starting still but I get your point about balance needed with Dunn out there

I didn't when he was at a 1.5 or 2 ast/to ratio. But he's up to 3 this year after getting better at it last year and the last few weeks he's been more like 4-1. But the fact remains, if he is going to do it anyway, and Tyus is going to give it to one of the other guys at midcourt and run to the corner, then there is zero reason for us to figure he's our best option as a corner 3 pt shooter when you consider both sides of the ball.

I mean I know some just look at it by listed position but what really matters is what is happening on the court.

[NapoleonII]

With the right trades, this team will be flexible / deadly and not a disjointed mess like it has been for two years. Moving Beal to the bench has been key, as has pushing Nurk out of all line ups.

The best 5 minutes I've seen happened last night in the last 5 minutes....I think it was a Beal/Booker/Dunn/Royce/KD super small, death-line up.

But Tyus is an important cog, he needs to be playing with Book or KD when one of them is on the bench.

[bwgood77]

So you wanna run Greyson at the point? I don't like that idea. At all. Kinda takes us back to what we were before imo. We need to have an actual guy to play the position.

If we're talking about adding Fultz when he's healthy and playing him there, that's another thing. I've just had enough of playing guys out of their natural position.

No, I want more size and defense (Royce to start would be fine too, but I figure with Dunn, Grayson makes more sense as the 2nd guard). Book is running the point. Tyus is playing a small shooting guard, and he doesn't add much for defense. If you are not going to have Tyus initiating the offense, there is no point in starting him at all. Grayson is better as a guy you want hustling, shooting the 3 and defending.

Tyus dribbles the ball up past halfcourt and throws it to KD or Book and then runs to the corner.


There is very little reason for us to be playing Tyus ahead of like 7 players if he is not going to be running the offense, playing point. His 3pt shooting is good but so are the alternates, and we need most hustle and defense.

I'm saying this as a guy who loves Tyus too. But when Book is making it a point to be the primary distributor and we have him and KD initiating offense, we need more defense/role playing around them, 3&D guys than PGs. I know a couple of people still wish we had Paul but I think we need more size and D.

Finally, someone sees what I see. That describes exactly what I see from Tyus. Yeah, I would like to have CP3 of 21 directing the offense in the 4th quarter but that ship has sailed. We desperately need more size and we have some on our bench. Our major problem is not getting up enough shots. We just do not get many 2nd chance points, and we turn the ball over too much. I like the idea of either Allen or O'Neale to replace Jones in the starting lineup. We also need another center to replace Nurkic and to take Plumlee's minutes. When we get up the same number or more shots than our opponent, I expect our record is pretty damn good.

I know Nurkic had his problems, but he did rebound the ball pretty well on most nights. Whoever we get to replace him better be a damn good rebounder or what is the point. I like Oso but he seems too small. Williams had a field day against Plumlee last night.

If we do trade Allen, we better get someone pretty good. He deserves more minutes. Tyus deserves less minutes.

This team is in the hands of Point Book and KD.

Agreed. Put 2 of Allen/Dunn/O'Neale in the starting lineup and have them go for offensive boards. Our team never seems interested in them. While others always seem interested in them against us. If I knew they would all crash the boards I wouldn't even mind going small with KD at 5, Dunn at 4, and Royce at 3.

I like Plumlee and Oso both better than Nurk (though I agree Nurk is a better rebounder) but none of those guys can finish inside either. Some of Oso's bunnies and Plumlee had a horrible 4 ft hook shot last night that went 3 ft and was an air ball lol.

I like Oso..he is very active and he will dunk it. But I wish he would work on scoring around the rim when he can't dunk it...like 3-7 footers..because if he can't make those we shouldn't be passing to him (or Plumlee or Nurkic) in there.

Another thing about Tyus (or even other players) about passing it to KD or whoever when they pass the halfcourt line, it seems like every time they pass it a little backwards and it is like inches away from a backcourt violation..like it is almost a sideways pass but it is right near/past the line and it is a tad backwards where the player touches it right as he is crossing halfcourt. It's like "why must you cut it that close EVERY time?" One of these times, when the game is in a really important spot, we are going to have a halfcourt violation.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I think they should start Allen over Tyus. I know they may have promised they would start him but they could say they have. It's not like it matters.

Then bring Beal in first off the bench for whoeever comes out, then Royce, then Tyus, then Morris or Okogie.....Oso goes in when Plumlee comes out.

So you wanna run Greyson at the point? I don't like that idea. At all. Kinda takes us back to what we were before imo. We need to have an actual guy to play the position.

If we're talking about adding Fultz when he's healthy and playing him there, that's another thing. I've just had enough of playing guys out of their natural position.

No, I want more size and defense (Royce to start would be fine too, but I figure with Dunn, Grayson makes more sense as the 2nd guard). Book is running the point. Tyus is playing a small shooting guard, and he doesn't add much for defense. If you are not going to have Tyus initiating the offense, there is no point in starting him at all. Grayson is better as a guy you want hustling, shooting the 3 and defending.

Tyus dribbles the ball up past halfcourt and throws it to KD or Book and then runs to the corner.

There is very little reason for us to be playing Tyus ahead of like 7 players if he is not going to be running the offense, playing point. His 3pt shooting is good but so are the alternates, and we need most hustle and defense.

I'm saying this as a guy who loves Tyus too. But when Book is making it a point to be the primary distributor and we have him and KD initiating offense, we need more defense/role playing around them, 3&D guys than PGs. I know a couple of people still wish we had Paul but I think we need more size and D.

With some of the points that you've made, I think but that because we're simply under utilizing him and if Book can successfully be " point Book" then also because we'd lose him for nothing this summer, we absolutely should look to trade him now.

A team like Orlando could really use him in a starting role. And we could likely get the 25' Denver first back ( top 5 protected) because it is most likely going to end up as a late 20s' first anyways.

Or we could go for a Caleb Houston ( dollar store Cam Johnson) 2nd or two.

Or we could flip him to a team like OKC for one of their six 25' firsts that they have to Burn or one of their numerous 2nds??

Or to Brooklyn for 2. 2nds to help be a leader to their rookies without costing them much of their cap space.

Then we can keep or move Morris, Plumlee, Bol, etc to pickup another couple 2nds and package these picks to get a deal done for Richards and another trade for Valuncias/ filler or maybe Sharpe and filler? And go from there.

Everyone knows that I've been aggressively promoting Valuncias in a follow up trade to Richards. But that's because I strongly believe in having an athletic rim running shotblocking center AND a big bodied strong physical center so we could have both center options for specific matchups. But we need to really cash in on this window to address some roster weaknesses and maybe replenish a few assets from some of our bench options that we'd lose for nothing anyways this summer.

[sunskerr]

Yeah I think Allen or O'Neal in the starting lineup instead of Tyus is valid. Probably better too. I don't really think Tyus is a great player either. He's just sort of there. Not a good defender too.

I was actually wondering why that didn't happen when we also replaced Beal but I'm guessing it was simply because of the guarantee we gave Tyus in the off-season that he would start.

Sucks but that is what it is. If we could start Allen, flip Tyus for another bigger player maybe we'd be in a really good spot. Or maybe Tyus is a good player to have coming off the bench like he was in Memphis. Remember he was starting PG in Washington and he didn't really do anything with that.

[bwgood77]

Yeah teams just have too much depth nowadays. And the depth allows you to make big trades while still having decent players who can fill in the minutes. The top teams are putting out lineups with two stars surrounded by good role players.

Then there is fit...only one rock to go around. Teams don't seem to have more than two guys who need the ball or who only impact the game by scoring a lot.

I can see a case being made for this year's Chris Paul being a more effective player on our roster than Bradley Beal. But ideally that 3rd guy would be a wing who can sort of do it all or a big who can play off the ball but get you 20 or whatever. Or Chris Paul from 2021.

A guy who takes the ball out of Bookers and KDs hands and takes shots away from them? Maybe not the best fit.

Like from a fit standpoint Butler at least to me right now when I think about it from that standpoint, makes more sense than Beal I think. Better defender, dirty work guy, doesn't need to score 20+ all the time, bigger body at 6'7". He can just focus on defense mostly, but still be a threat. Get you 15-20 but probably closer to 18/5/4 on great D.

Oh no am I talking myself into Butler?? Damn if we have to give up that pick and give him $120m at 36 years old lol.

Sometimes it doesn't feel like you've been watching much of the Suns, because the some of the points don't make much sense based on what we see. Are you basing everything on the LEBRON stat? Do you think Chris Paul would be better to have than Durant? You talk about taking shots away from Book but has not shot very well the last couple months until these Charlotte and Houston games. At sometimes awful, like Memphis and Charlotte. And then we have Tyus Jones, who basically does the same thing Paul does.

BECAUSE Book has become a great passer, Paul would make no sense in his current form. Jones doesn't really make sense at this point given Book is the primary facilitator. The only saving grace there is he shoots the 3 well. Paul doesn't do.

The funny thing is although I have usually complained about too much iso, which we would still see a bit of, now mostly from KD, sometimes I feel we overpass now...like 3 guys will get the ball wide open and just continue to pass it.

Unless you are just saying if we had Paul back, Book would just go back into not being the distributor he is and go back into his scoring role, and we wouldn't have Tyus, etc. But aside from the leadership and passing, what really elevated Paul to near MVP caliber in his first 2 years with us was the fact that he was so clutch and could score at will and take over games down the stretch if needed. He doesn't do that anymore. He couldn't do it with us the last year and a half. If he could, especially when we had KD, if he was even close to the same player he was prior to the last 5 games of that Dallas series, we are super legit, because he was that good. He's just not the same player anymore.

Paul instead of Durant? Huh? Where did you get that idea lol? Yeah it doesn't feel like I watch much Suns because I told you I don't a few days ago

The reason you don't necessarily want to take shots away from Booker and Durant is because they are strictly better offensive playmakers than Beal. If you're giving the ball to a worse offensive player to run sets through, generally speaking you're not maximizing your offensive production. Like if you asked yourself "how do we score more" then you just say "well we use our best player more" etc like how dantoni said to himself one night that his team should just shoot more 3s to score more.

This is (sort of) why stuff like Luka running every play works even if you hate it (I don't really like watching that either). Now obviously I'm not saying run Booker as Luka etc that would be taking me out of context.

But this is basically one of the reasons Beal is getting benched. We already have a 3rd ball handler in Tyus. The starting lineup just needs someone to sit in the corner, dive for loose balls etc..We are more or less agreeing with each other in a roundabout way. More Booker less Beal (by extension less Tyus too). That's why coming off the bench but still finishing games when we need a guy who can punish tighter defenses works in theory.

As for Butler again he just a straight upgrade no questions asked on both sides of the ball...in a vacuum. Defensively he clears Beal by a landslide. Offensively the question is how does his midrange-oriented game fit with Booker and Durant. That would be my main concern (basketball-wise). But Booker is taking a career high 41% of his shots from 3 this year. So maybe that's not as big a deal. Idk, just something to think about. S

But I am praying for this new 6th man Beal thing to work out so we don't have to make another draft pick trade. Also there is a sense of stability at least right now that having a guy like Beal on th bench brings because you know that your bench has a guy who can get you 20-25. Didn't have that before.

I thought you said you were not watching much, but it felt like you just looked at LEBRON stats and said you think Paul would be a better option on the team. Paul also has a better LEBRON than Durant, by quite a bit.

Maybe an ok advanced stat to look at, but I've never been super impressed with it (or any catch all stats). I think some or most of these are mostly right in a general sense in top player rankings, but when you get to role players, etc, and you start comparing different types of players, it is way off. Some of them I feel put too much weight on certain things. Obviously steals is HUGE in that one. And I do like steals as an indicator for college translation to pros, upside, etc, but when you are talking game impact right now, steals are great, but I think they probably give way too much weight to them here as a "now" stat. I do agree with you about steals indicating translation/upside.

I do think Butler is a much better fit for our needs than Beal, yes, but I really don't want to trade for him because it would certainly cost the pick unprotected, and maybe Dunn, plus it's just seems unlikely to happen. Also, since Ishbia will probably never blow it up, Butler is much older and probably much closer to being done. I honestly don't think he cares that much any more and just wants this last pay day and then I wouldn't be surprised if he just kind of checked out within a year or so.

I think Book's playmaking has gotten a lot better. Ball handling, assists and turnovers, etc. Personally I do feel Beal is about as good at playmaking and still does well, but unfortunately a lot of his best passes are drops/feeds to bigs inside and they screw it up. Beal also sets up a lot of people and the ball keeps moving...he had Oso under the basket last night and he passed out, etc. Now of course the same things happen with everyone, and I'd almost have an in person discussion and you would have had to have watched the games in detail for me to really explain what I see. I think quite often Beal sets up Book very well and then Book passes again. Book also seems to rarely pass to Beal. I am also curious on potential assists.

But basically, in my opinion, Beal is a much better playmaker/assist guy than stats are showing this year. I know that comment sounds very Beal "apologisty", but I think if we were watching together and talking about it and pointing out certain things, you'd see what I mean, and just a few years ago he was averging 6.6apg, then 5.4 and 5 last year with us.

Part of it is because there were just too many playmakers in the starting lineup. Tyus is obviously a great playmaker, but Book handles the ball the most and wants to be the #1 playmaker.

[bwgood77]

Yeah I think Allen or O'Neal in the starting lineup instead of Tyus is valid. Probably better too. I don't really think Tyus is a great player either. He's just sort of there. Not a good defender too.

I was actually wondering why that didn't happen when we also replaced Beal but I'm guessing it was simply because of the guarantee we gave Tyus in the off-season that he would start.

Sucks but that is what it is. If we could start Allen, flip Tyus for another bigger player maybe we'd be in a really good spot. Or maybe Tyus is a good player to have coming off the bench like he was in Memphis. Remember he was starting PG in Washington and he didn't really do anything with that.

Yeah, as great as the Tyus signing seemed, given we were already starting Beal/Book, then to start all 3, it didn't work. Last year even though we turned it over a lot, we played well when all 3 of our high dollar guys were playing...like 34-18 once Beal got back.

I still like Tyus but he shouldn't be starting. It's good that Beal isn't starting if Tyus is going to be, but ideally, I think having both sub in makes sense.

But what makes the most sense is trading him if we could get something worthwhile. He doesn't hold much value since he's an UFA with no bird rights, but maybe some contender will feel they need a backup PG and have some 3rd big they don't need much, or will give up a couple 2nds.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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I really don't want this Butler trade to go through because I don't think it dramatically changes our trajectory at all. With or without Butler we're not contending at all. So we'd just be overpaying and giving up every last assistant and possibly young promising player that we have left for an incremental improvement and to keep over 100 million tied up in two declining players in their late 30s' and digging the hole even deeper for our future!

And really, this tweet only further illustrates my concerns with Butler because of his unpredictable and volatile behavior. I understand that Ishbia is obsessed with name recognition over logical and functional roster construction. But this isn't NBA 2K and depth and roster balance legitimately matters. Stay the course because regardless of whether we feature Butler or Beal we're at best a 2nd round out with no flexibility, no assets, and absolutely no future for at least the next 8-10 years.

Upgrade our center rotation, Do the Richards trade take back G Williams, and rehab him (giving us two strong defensive small forwards) although undersized, still very good. Trade Jones and/or Morris for some first or multiple 2nds and use those 2nds to trade Nurkic to Washington for Valuncias and Davis. Use the first (from Jones trade) to trade Allen/ 1st for one of:

1- Atlanta. Nance Jr/ filler (G Matthews to somewhat replace Allens' shooting).
2- Portland. Allen/ 1st for Thybulle/ CAMARA (1ST is added for him specifically)/ Reath or Walker. ** I have Allens' current value at around a lottery-protected 1st (15-30) standard 1st. Adding the Tyus 1st would be equivalent to giving them 2 1sts for Thybulle/Camara/ filler while upgrading their scoring. If giving up BOTH Thybulle and Camara is simply too much for them, then switch out Timelord for Thybulle, and make it Timelord and Camara for Allen/ 1st. I value Camara more in the deal anyway. And we could flip Timelord elsewhere for more 2nds easily enough.

[Slim Charless]

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This is the guy that Ishbia wants to give 60m a year to.

Dear lord Beal, hold strong on the NTC. Stay in Phoenix.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Is anyone else buying this because I really don't see Milwaukee wanting Beal over Butler.

[King4Day]

So apparently we CAN trade Nurk for Richards and someone like Micic or Martin. ESPN trade machine was wacky when I looked. It said the Hornets need to add like 11mil to make the deal legal. But checking today (after seeing a Sam Amico article), it passes with someone like Micic or Martin.

[King4Day]

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Is anyone else buying this because I really don't see Milwaukee wanting Beal over Butler.

I don't get the 'bucks want to do this'. I think these are more hypotheticals.

[Ghost of Kleine]

So apparently we CAN trade Nurk for Richards and someone like Micic or Martin. ESPN trade machine was wacky when I looked. It said the Hornets need to add like 11mil to make the deal legal. But checking today (after seeing a Sam Amico article), it passes with someone like Micic or Martin.

I'd honestly just rather take back G Williams salary in the deal for matching IF it helps us leverage the reduced overall value we get back to reduce the amount of 2nds they want for Richards. Because even though Williams is injured and can't play until at least next season, he's still a really good defender (kind of a slightly bigger O'neale that would make O'neale expendable) and/or would also give us another tradable asset/ salary to flip next season at/around the deadline. And giving up fewer 2nds as a result of taking his salary back would also help us do a follow-up trade to get Valuncias/filler or Timelord /filler, or Sharpe/filler?? Add a 1st from a tyus Jons to Orlando or OKC trade and to Allen and maybe you could get back Camara w/ Timelord or Nance Jr/ filler or something from GS??

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Evidence that this works really well for us! Just keep Beal in this role, and upgrade our center and backup center positions w/ Richards and Valuncias or Richards and Sharpe with fillers.

[Slim Charless]

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Evidence that this works really well for us! Just keep Beal in this role, and upgrade our center and backup center positions w/ Richards and Valuncias or Richards and Sharpe with fillers.

....and won 3 games in a row. Nurknfor GWill and Richards. Then wait for the summer please Ishbia.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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By these clear standards, Butler obviously isn't worth all of our assets (2031 1st/ our 2nds/ one of Dunn or Oso)! And especially not at almost 36 years old and expecting upwards of $60 million into his late 30s'. Let Butler go elsewhere and just upgrade at center and wing as needed utilizing Okogie, Allen/ our 2nds attached to Nurkic to do creative trades!!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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