Cade Cunningham should be an all star

[basketballRob]

Yeah - you’re wrong. Big time. We will bump when he’s an all star “this” year.

Perpetual trash player; 0 impact. Height of career with 20 game hot streak this moment.

I mean, I’m assuming you’re just trolling and it’s working; I laughed.

If not, well, that’s ok. Sorry about all of Orlando’s injuries, truly, I enjoy watching them play.

We all apparently know 20 game samples of good play are meaningless, but it looks like Franz might be decent some day, too.

What are you trying to say? Franz isn't as good as Cade?

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[tmorgan]

Perpetual trash player; 0 impact. Height of career with 20 game hot streak this moment.

I mean, I’m assuming you’re just trolling and it’s working; I laughed.

If not, well, that’s ok. Sorry about all of Orlando’s injuries, truly, I enjoy watching them play.

We all apparently know 20 game samples of good play are meaningless, but it looks like Franz might be decent some day, too.

What are you trying to say? Franz isn't as good as Cade?

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Really? You can’t follow this?

Crunchie is trolling on Cade. Magic fans love extolling Franz for his very limited sample of strong play with Paolo out. I’m just mirroring the trolling.

I love Franz, he’s a Michigan guy.

[tooler]

Perpetual trash player; 0 impact. Height of career with 20 game hot streak this moment.

I mean, I’m assuming you’re just trolling and it’s working; I laughed.

If not, well, that’s ok. Sorry about all of Orlando’s injuries, truly, I enjoy watching them play.

We all apparently know 20 game samples of good play are meaningless, but it looks like Franz might be decent some day, too.

What are you trying to say? Franz isn't as good as Cade?

I can't believe you're still in this thread! All-star appearances for Paolo and Franz are hopeless now due to injury. Let's enjoy the players who are healthy.

[TheProfessor]

He's playing at an all-star level but... Theres a lot of qualified players And if we just consider guards: Mitchell, Garland, Lamelo, Trae, Brunson, Lillard.

And one could make a legitimate argument that Cade, all things included, is currently having a better season than all of them.

Absolutely zero argument over Lillard/Brunson/Mitchell/Garland. Cade is a good offensive player that plays mediocre defense. Lillard/Brunson are guys that play bad defense, but are elite offensive players. Cade's turnovers and lack of efficiently really hinder him from being elite.

Mitchell and Garland are elite offensive players that play mediocre defense like cade.

The only real arguments he has are Lamelo because of health and Trae because trae may be the worst defensive starter in the NBA.

Rebounds don't make you a better guard.

[Mr Peanut]

Cade Cunningham should not be a all star and probably never will make the all-stars.

He has finally put up a 3 BPM season which is barely good starter level. Career high in turnovers and usage. True shooting is up 0.7% over last year due to scorching hot start. Will eventually settle back down to low 1.x or low 2.x range. But I guess we should be happy about progress right

-1.6 to -0.7 to 0.3 to ???

Yeah - you’re wrong. Big time. We will bump when he’s an all star “this” year.

Perpetual trash player; 0 impact. Height of career with 20 game hot streak this moment.

Remember everyone, this guy (or girl) really said "don't worry I've been calling out busts for who they are for a decade now and have had an impeccable record".

Guess you're still trying to desperately hold onto that impeccable record you claimed, even though the stats and fan/media narrative is so massively against you. Kudos for the dedication.

[SOUL]

Crunchie is trolling on Cade. Magic fans love extolling Franz for his very limited sample of strong play with Paolo out. I’m just mirroring the trolling.

I love Franz, he’s a Michigan guy.

I don't think he's a Magic fan (at least main team), have never seen him on the Magic board or talk much about the Magic in GB posts. I think some people just pick NBA team icons randomly but are more general NBA people

[JackTalkThai]

Cade Cunningham should not be a all star and probably never will make the all-stars.

He has finally put up a 3 BPM season which is barely good starter level. Career high in turnovers and usage. True shooting is up 0.7% over last year due to scorching hot start. Will eventually settle back down to low 1.x or low 2.x range. But I guess we should be happy about progress right

-1.6 to -0.7 to 0.3 to ???

Yeah - you’re wrong. Big time. We will bump when he’s an all star “this” year.

Perpetual trash player; 0 impact. Height of career with 20 game hot streak this moment.

Peak trolling is full well knowing your take was as wrong then as it is now but instead of just shutting up or god forbid admitting your mistake, you double down with two 4’s and the dealer showing an Ace.

You don’t care that you lost and are losing again, and likely again and again after that. You just savor the role of ship-posting captain(crunch) of a vessel that you (and everyone else) knew was riddled with holes since day one. Misery loves company and your name might as well be Paul Sheldon because that’s literally all you write.

But carry on Cap’n. Pride is comething…

[Billl]

He's playing at an all-star level but... Theres a lot of qualified players And if we just consider guards: Mitchell, Garland, Lamelo, Trae, Brunson, Lillard.

And one could make a legitimate argument that Cade, all things included, is currently having a better season than all of them.

Absolutely zero argument over Lillard/Brunson/Mitchell/Garland. Cade is a good offensive player that plays mediocre defense. Lillard/Brunson are guys that play bad defense, but are elite offensive players. Cade's turnovers and lack of efficiently really hinder him from being elite.

Mitchell and Garland are elite offensive players that play mediocre defense like cade.

The only real arguments he has are Lamelo because of health and Trae because trae may be the worst defensive starter in the NBA.

Rebounds don't make you a better guard.

Lillard isn't an elite offensive player anymore. 25/7/4 on 44/38 splits. Cade is at 24/10/7 on 46/38. And Cade has been dramatically improved on D. He's been better than Lillard on both ends and I don't think it's particularly close. This isn't supposed to be a lifetime achievement award.

[TheProfessor]

And one could make a legitimate argument that Cade, all things included, is currently having a better season than all of them.

Absolutely zero argument over Lillard/Brunson/Mitchell/Garland. Cade is a good offensive player that plays mediocre defense. Lillard/Brunson are guys that play bad defense, but are elite offensive players. Cade's turnovers and lack of efficiently really hinder him from being elite.

Mitchell and Garland are elite offensive players that play mediocre defense like cade.

The only real arguments he has are Lamelo because of health and Trae because trae may be the worst defensive starter in the NBA.

Rebounds don't make you a better guard.

Lillard isn't an elite offensive player anymore. 25/7/4 on 44/38 splits. Cade is at 24/10/7 on 46/38. And Cade has been dramatically improved on D. He's been better than Lillard on both ends and I don't think it's particularly close. This isn't supposed to be a lifetime achievement award.

Again raw stats don't mean much, let's use big boy stats. Even though Lillard is shooting 44/38 and 91% free throw line, his EfG is 53.9% which account for three point shooting. Where as Cade is shooting 51.9% EFG on his "46/38". Now if we look at True shooting Cade is below average at 55% and Damian is Elite at 61.5%. That's the difference between like SGA and Barrett efficiently.
Also we shouldn't forget to mention that Cade leads the league in Turnovers, which hinders his offensive impact. We can clearly see that Cades raw stats not mean much as they are significantly hindered by his efficiently and Turnovers. Lebron and EPM have him as more impactful than Cade. Also are correct, Cade has improved significantly in defense, and went from a Bad defensive player like Lillard to and a neutral/mediocre defender. But that is still not to put Cade ahead of Lillard, because honestly a lot of what Cade does is "Empty Stats" due to his efficiently scoring and his turnovers.

Also before you say Lillard is on a more talented team, blah blah blah. In the games in which Giannis is not playing, Lillard is averaging 34/10/7 on 50/50/100.

It may not be a lifetime achievement award, but in this lifetime Cade has never been better than Lillard.

[ShootersShoot]

And one could make a legitimate argument that Cade, all things included, is currently having a better season than all of them.

Absolutely zero argument over Lillard/Brunson/Mitchell/Garland. Cade is a good offensive player that plays mediocre defense. Lillard/Brunson are guys that play bad defense, but are elite offensive players. Cade's turnovers and lack of efficiently really hinder him from being elite.

Mitchell and Garland are elite offensive players that play mediocre defense like cade.

The only real arguments he has are Lamelo because of health and Trae because trae may be the worst defensive starter in the NBA.

Rebounds don't make you a better guard.

Lillard isn't an elite offensive player anymore. 25/7/4 on 44/38 splits. Cade is at 24/10/7 on 46/38. And Cade has been dramatically improved on D. He's been better than Lillard on both ends and I don't think it's particularly close. This isn't supposed to be a lifetime achievement award.

Lillard still has a higher eFG% and TS% for the season, meaning he shoots better from the field and from FT. This is mainly due to him having higher volume of threes and FT attempts than cade.

Since December, Dame's TS% is 61.7% while Cade's is 56.8%.
Do I think Cade should be an all star? Yes, but so do a bunch of players who will inevitably get snubbed. Not an easy decision to make for the coaches.

[doogie_hauser]

Cade is cookin again for The Pistons at MSG.

There is no doubt the coaches will vote him for the game (even though I would start him over the grossly overrated Lame Dillard)

Cade will make the the all star game. Haters gonna hate, ball don't lie and the surging Pistons are being led by CC.

[Mr Peanut]

Absolutely zero argument over Lillard/Brunson/Mitchell/Garland. Cade is a good offensive player that plays mediocre defense. Lillard/Brunson are guys that play bad defense, but are elite offensive players. Cade's turnovers and lack of efficiently really hinder him from being elite.

Mitchell and Garland are elite offensive players that play mediocre defense like cade.

The only real arguments he has are Lamelo because of health and Trae because trae may be the worst defensive starter in the NBA.

Rebounds don't make you a better guard.

Lillard isn't an elite offensive player anymore. 25/7/4 on 44/38 splits. Cade is at 24/10/7 on 46/38. And Cade has been dramatically improved on D. He's been better than Lillard on both ends and I don't think it's particularly close. This isn't supposed to be a lifetime achievement award.

Again raw stats don't mean much, let's use big boy stats. Even though Lillard is shooting 44/38 and 91% free throw line, his EfG is 53.9% which account for three point shooting. Where as Cade is shooting 51.9% EFG on his "46/38". Now if we look at True shooting Cade is below average at 55% and Damian is Elite at 61.5%. That's the difference between like SGA and Barrett efficiently.
Also we shouldn't forget to mention that Cade leads the league in Turnovers, which hinders his offensive impact. We can clearly see that Cades raw stats not mean much as they are significantly hindered by his efficiently and Turnovers. Lebron and EPM have him as more impactful than Cade. Also are correct, Cade has improved significantly in defense, and went from a Bad defensive player like Lillard to and a neutral/mediocre defender. But that is still not to put Cade ahead of Lillard, because honestly a lot of what Cade does is "Empty Stats" due to his efficiently scoring and his turnovers.

Also before you say Lillard is on a more talented team, blah blah blah. In the games in which Giannis is not playing, Lillard is averaging 34/10/7 on 50/50/100.

It may not be a lifetime achievement award, but in this lifetime Cade has never been better than Lillard.

Can I ask how many of Cade's games you've watched this season? Let's be honest here - I'm guessing less than 5?

If you're willing to call him an "empty stats" guy then that kind of tells everyone here all they need to know about the depth of your analysis. Perusing dunksandthrees.com and Basketball Reference to pick out stats and solely make your judgments doesn't really count as true NBA fandom.

[MrBigShot]

Cade with 29 of his 36 in the 2nd half to beat the knicks. The only thing I wanna hear about Lillard or Mitchell in this thread is which one of them is getting left off the all star team.

[doogie_hauser]

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[Mr Peanut]

Cade goes into the Garden and drops 36 points to will his team to a win. This is only a few weeks after he went into the Garden and dropped a 29 point 15 assist triple double to get his team a win on that occasion too.

Would love to hear what the Cade doubters have to say about this one though. Something something EPM something something LEBRON...

[GreatWhiteStiff]

And one could make a legitimate argument that Cade, all things included, is currently having a better season than all of them.

Absolutely zero argument over Lillard/Brunson/Mitchell/Garland. Cade is a good offensive player that plays mediocre defense. Lillard/Brunson are guys that play bad defense, but are elite offensive players. Cade's turnovers and lack of efficiently really hinder him from being elite.

Mitchell and Garland are elite offensive players that play mediocre defense like cade.

The only real arguments he has are Lamelo because of health and Trae because trae may be the worst defensive starter in the NBA.

Rebounds don't make you a better guard.

Lillard isn't an elite offensive player anymore. 25/7/4 on 44/38 splits. Cade is at 24/10/7 on 46/38. And Cade has been dramatically improved on D. He's been better than Lillard on both ends and I don't think it's particularly close. This isn't supposed to be a lifetime achievement award.

Many people are bad at comprehending what efficient scoring looks like. Just use true shooting rather than this 46/38 stuff. But then it favours Lillard and not slimly.

Have a good day.

[JackTalkThai]

Cade with 29 second half points in the Garden (18 in the 3rd — 36 in total) to get Detroit the win.

52% FG
50% from three on 8 shots

All Star?
All NBA?

The argument is growing.

[Han Solo]

Cade Cunningham should not be a all star and probably never will make the all-stars.

He has finally put up a 3 BPM season which is barely good starter level. Career high in turnovers and usage. True shooting is up 0.7% over last year due to scorching hot start. Will eventually settle back down to low 1.x or low 2.x range. But I guess we should be happy about progress right

-1.6 to -0.7 to 0.3 to ???

Yeah - you’re wrong. Big time. We will bump when he’s an all star “this” year.

Perpetual trash player; 0 impact. Height of career with 20 game hot streak this moment.

Lmfao. Cade is a Top 5 guard in the league. We’ll see how it turns out.

[doogie_hauser]

Cade goes into the Garden and drops 36 points to will his team to a win. This is only a few weeks after he went into the Garden and dropped a 29 point 15 assist triple double to get his team a win on that occasion too.

Would love to hear what the Cade doubters have to say about this one though. Something something EPM something something LEBRON...

To quote a fomer great Australian Prime Minister in Bob Hawke, anyone who doesn't think Cade Cunningham should be an all-star is a bum !

I have been voting him daily since voting starting (the only non Celtic in my East ballot lol)

With every passing game, the Cade haters lose even more credibility lol

[Mr Peanut]

Absolutely zero argument over Lillard/Brunson/Mitchell/Garland. Cade is a good offensive player that plays mediocre defense. Lillard/Brunson are guys that play bad defense, but are elite offensive players. Cade's turnovers and lack of efficiently really hinder him from being elite.

Mitchell and Garland are elite offensive players that play mediocre defense like cade.

The only real arguments he has are Lamelo because of health and Trae because trae may be the worst defensive starter in the NBA.

Rebounds don't make you a better guard.

Lillard isn't an elite offensive player anymore. 25/7/4 on 44/38 splits. Cade is at 24/10/7 on 46/38. And Cade has been dramatically improved on D. He's been better than Lillard on both ends and I don't think it's particularly close. This isn't supposed to be a lifetime achievement award.

Many people are bad at comprehending what efficient scoring looks like. Just use true shooting rather than this 46/38 stuff. But then it favours Lillard and not slimly.

Have a good day.

Cade 62.6% TS tonight outplaying Brunson to will his team to a victory. Hopefully that's efficient enough.