Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[Charlesareed]

Looks like the Vikes might be the first upset of the playoffs.

Not really it was widely expected the rams would beat them Sam dornald has been brought back down to earth and it’s gonna cost him 10s of millions of dollars

[Betta Bulleavit]

Looks like the Vikes might be the first upset of the playoffs.

Not really it was widely expected the rams would beat them Sam dornald has been brought back down to earth and it’s gonna cost him 10s of millions of dollars

Yeah, I had the Rams here just based on the meeting that they had earlier this season. The Rams handled them then…once they were healthy.

[fleet]

This emerging choice at least in media seems pretty clear. Without knowing what the Bears are doing with all these people they are zooming with. And it’s unnerving that the Bears haven’t answered for themselves what the short list is yet. I like the idea of hiring McCarthy. It makes sense that McCarthy will work well for Caleb. That’s not to say better than Ben Johnson could. But this reasoning left unsaid is based on the perception that the state of the Bears overall lack of stability is somehow better addressed by known quantity McCarthy, which is somehow what Caleb needs most of all. Stability and traction, guaranteed. I don’t necessarily disagree with the premise. Nor that it may be right. But there is never a time to settle for a comfort zone out of weakness. If Ben is more talented and relevant right now, to hell with being safe. Ben Johnson wouldn’t coach “structure”? Orlovsky isn’t making it clear why he is making this distinction.

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[fleet]

Geeze, before tonight I was wondering that JJ McCarthy might be a feasible trade target for the Raiders to try and acquire to entice Ben Johnson to sign on. Or, Darnold. That’ll be all for that avenue. Sam Darnold looked like he was losing something against the Bears. Now the Lions and Rams have finished him.

[dice]

This emerging choice at least in media seems pretty clear. Without knowing what the Bears are doing with all these people they are zooming with. And it’s unnerving that the Bears haven’t answered for themselves what the short list is yet. I like the idea of hiring McCarthy. It makes sense that McCarthy will work well for Caleb. That’s not to say better than Ben Johnson could. But this reasoning left unsaid is based on the perception that the state of the Bears overall lack of stability is somehow better addressed by known quantity McCarthy, which is somehow what Caleb needs most of all. Stability and traction, guaranteed. I don’t necessarily disagree with the premise. Nor that it may be right. But there is never a time to settle for a comfort zone out of weakness. If Ben is more talented and relevant right now, to hell with being safe. Ben Johnson wouldn’t coach “structure”? Orlovsky isn’t making it clear why he is making this distinction.

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heard on radio today that mccarthy likes to take post-snap decision making out of the equation w/ QB leaning heavily on analyzing coverage pre-snap

[dice]

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too bad he can't recruit in nfl

[fleet]

This emerging choice at least in media seems pretty clear. Without knowing what the Bears are doing with all these people they are zooming with. And it’s unnerving that the Bears haven’t answered for themselves what the short list is yet. I like the idea of hiring McCarthy. It makes sense that McCarthy will work well for Caleb. That’s not to say better than Ben Johnson could. But this reasoning left unsaid is based on the perception that the state of the Bears overall lack of stability is somehow better addressed by known quantity McCarthy, which is somehow what Caleb needs most of all. Stability and traction, guaranteed. I don’t necessarily disagree with the premise. Nor that it may be right. But there is never a time to settle for a comfort zone out of weakness. If Ben is more talented and relevant right now, to hell with being safe. Ben Johnson wouldn’t coach “structure”? Orlovsky isn’t making it clear why he is making this distinction.

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heard on radio today that mccarthy likes to take post-snap decision making out of the equation w/ QB leaning heavily on analyzing coverage pre-snap

I liked that McCarthy says, ‘I will give you enough to beat what the defense is about to do if you can see it. But you have to see it.’ Also, scheming receivers open. Kind of tailor made if Caleb is not gonna turn it loose without an engraved invitation. He definitely needs a simplified system with less options to start making progress again. The way he was handled to have all this responsibility was not it in hindsight.

[dice]

Looks like the Vikes might be the first upset of the playoffs.

Not really it was widely expected the rams would beat them Sam dornald has been brought back down to earth and it’s gonna cost him 10s of millions of dollars

vikes favored

[dice]

Where are you getting that? He had a better year in 2024.

This is true. But Smith having a better year in 24 than he did in 23 doesn’t mean that Carroll is washed. His resurgence came under Carroll. But I get it. You’re not a Carroll fan. I just happen to think that he’d bring forth the right thing for this particular team.

His resurgence came under Shane Waldron who Carroll was going to fire and Dave Canales the QB coach in 2022 who is now the Panthers head coach. Carroll is a defensive coach CEO type he lets his coordinators do there thing. What Carroll was known for defense, hasn't been good in 8 years. So his upside based on his last years in Seattle is a .500 coach and since he will be 74 to start the season (which would make him the oldest coach in NFL history beating George Halas at 72 and Romeo Crennel at 73) so you are looking to also hire his successor. Gus Bradley is available, does that work for you?

to be fair, carroll is probably effectively nearly a decade younger than his chronological age. certainly compared to those other 2 coaches. would you hire an excellent...66 year old coach?

[panthermark]

Man, I am just not into McCarthy. Part of it is the stain from Dallas (I hate the Cowboys almost as much as I hate the Pack), part of it is having past HOF QB's on the roster, and a big part of it is the Trace Armstrong connection.

[fleet]

Man, I am just not into McCarthy. Part of it is the stain from Dallas (I hate the Cowboys almost as much as I hate the Pack), part of it is having past HOF QB's on the roster, and a big part of it is the Trace Armstrong connection.

Just a coincidence.

[dice]

Mccarthy sucks .

he has a similar resume to tomlin. heard on the radio a discussion on why tomlin is so much more liked and the conclusion was that he's better with the media. then there's the playoff streak, which is obviously somewhat fluky and not particularly important if the goal is to win titles

[Betta Bulleavit]

Man, I am just not into McCarthy. Part of it is the stain from Dallas (I hate the Cowboys almost as much as I hate the Pack), part of it is having past HOF QB's on the roster, and a big part of it is the Trace Armstrong connection.

I’m ‘okay’ with McCarthy. But if we’re going the route of an experienced coach, I really would prefer Carroll. And I think I only lean that way because the Parsons fiasco earlier this season kinda left a bad taste in my mouth. It wasn’t that I agreed with what Micha did. It was the fact that he felt like he could do it and how it reflected on McCarthy as a leader. Still though, I’m not completely against him.

[dice]

The Niners went from SuperBowl to 6-11 and are going to blow $250 million on Brock Purdy. This is the bust-boom cycle of this league, basically. Rinse. Repeat.

they were decimated by injury and purdy is an excellent QB

Dice, i like your analytical pragmatic approach, but always based on the past so would love to see your predictive models.

“Purdy is an excellent QB” - so what contract should the 49ers give him? What would your plan be for him?

I think he is totally scheme driven and many QBs would succeed there.

could be, but will the scheme be changing over the course of his next contract?

the reason there is a "next man up" for richest contract for QBs is because QBs are underpaid. if the niners can get away w/ not paying him that much they're ahead of the game

[nitetrain8603]

Again everyone complains about not talking to Kevin McConnell and talking to everyone under the sun last time around when "it's free to do so and you get more intel".

Now they do it and the Bears don't know what they are doing?

Let it be known, national media is not mocking the Bears. Only local media with this whole "sky is falling".

Everyone agrees the Bears need to hit on this hire. Let's say they only interviewed Ben Johnson and two Rooney rule hires. Then 3 years down the line it's a failure. Same folks poo pooing now would poo poo that.

If I'm Poles, I don't take a risk on a first time head coach. But I'm not. More importantly, someone said tune out the fan base and coach. I agree.

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[fleet]

Again everyone complains about not talking to Kevin McConnell and talking to everyone under the sun last time around when "it's free to do so and you get more intel".

Now they do it and the Bears don't know what they are doing?

Let it be known, national media is not mocking the Bears. Only local media with this whole "sky is falling".

Everyone agrees the Bears need to hit on this hire. Let's say they only interviewed Ben Johnson and two Rooney rule hires. Then 3 years down the line it's a failure. Same folks poo pooing now would poo poo that.

Complained only about not bringing in OConnell. Not about not bringing in “everyone under the sun”. It all boils down to having a clue. The Bears didn’t identify OConnell as someone to speak to. Was it an inability to identify good candidates? Trace Armstrong? What was it? Hubris? The Bears didn’t bring in all the quarterbacks this past draft. There is something wrong with their talent evaluation process. Maybe some sort of hubris going on. Locking onto people. Poles does that, even against advice. If they’re overreacting now to past mistakes, that’s fine I guess. But it’s again, being different. Different works against the Bears. It highlights their previous dysfunction.

[nitetrain8603]

Again everyone complains about not talking to Kevin McConnell and talking to everyone under the sun last time around when "it's free to do so and you get more intel".

Now they do it and the Bears don't know what they are doing?

Let it be known, national media is not mocking the Bears. Only local media with this whole "sky is falling".

Everyone agrees the Bears need to hit on this hire. Let's say they only interviewed Ben Johnson and two Rooney rule hires. Then 3 years down the line it's a failure. Same folks poo pooing now would poo poo that.

Complained only about not bringing in OConnell. Not about not bringing in “everyone under the sun”. It all boils down to having a clue. The Bears didn’t identify OConnell as someone to speak to. Was it an inability to identify good candidates? Trace Armstrong? What was it? Hubris? The Bears didn’t bring in all the quarterbacks this past draft. There is something wrong with their talent evaluation process. Maybe some sort of hubris going on. Locking onto people. Poles does that, even against advice. If they’re overreacting now to past mistakes, that’s fine I guess. But it’s again, being different. Different works against the Bears. It highlights their previous dysfunction.

Kevin McConnell should've been interviewed last go around based on what? Your recommendation? Bears weren't the only team not to talk to him.

You sound like you're arguing they should've interviewed "the right coach" last go around and not "all the coaches".

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[fleet]

Again everyone complains about not talking to Kevin McConnell and talking to everyone under the sun last time around when "it's free to do so and you get more intel".

Now they do it and the Bears don't know what they are doing?

Let it be known, national media is not mocking the Bears. Only local media with this whole "sky is falling".

Everyone agrees the Bears need to hit on this hire. Let's say they only interviewed Ben Johnson and two Rooney rule hires. Then 3 years down the line it's a failure. Same folks poo pooing now would poo poo that.

Complained only about not bringing in OConnell. Not about not bringing in “everyone under the sun”. It all boils down to having a clue. The Bears didn’t identify OConnell as someone to speak to. Was it an inability to identify good candidates? Trace Armstrong? What was it? Hubris? The Bears didn’t bring in all the quarterbacks this past draft. There is something wrong with their talent evaluation process. Maybe some sort of hubris going on. Locking onto people. Poles does that, even against advice. If they’re overreacting now to past mistakes, that’s fine I guess. But it’s again, being different. Different works against the Bears. It highlights their previous dysfunction.

Kevin McConnell should've been interviewed last go around based on what? Your recommendation? Bears weren't the only team not to talk to him.

You sound like you're arguing they should've interviewed "the right coach" last go around and not "all the coaches".

Yeah, have a clue. Again, winning in the NFL is not for everyone. The Bears are always on the short end. What other teams did, I’m interested in the context. Please explain who and what. But sounds like they also missed out. Telling me that the Bears weren’t the only ones that made a mistake is not convincing. I’m a Bears fan. I need the Bears to get out of the mistakes business.

My recommendation….I had no earthly idea who O’Connell was last go around. But the Vikings did, they were the organization with the insight. They were the franchise with a new GM just like the Bears were.

[Charlesareed]

I think the rams will upset Philly next weekend

[Chi town]

Man, I am just not into McCarthy. Part of it is the stain from Dallas (I hate the Cowboys almost as much as I hate the Pack), part of it is having past HOF QB's on the roster, and a big part of it is the Trace Armstrong connection.

Me either. Safe mediocre move. Playing not to lose.