Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[drsd]

I dunno... having Cole Sexton and AB in the 2nd unit along with wcj and JI sounds perfect for me.

Sexton was only a part-time starter last year and the year past, so maybe.

Certainly he would be taking Anthony's place on this roster, which means a trade something like:

Anthony, Howard and the Denver FRP for Sexton and Juzang.

Sounds quite lateral to me, but the depth chart is fairly clear with that trade.

I don't think it's lateral at all. Sexton's offensive efficiency is miles ahead of Cole's. He's MUCH more of a threat from deep and he gets to the line more. Perhaps Sexton's FTA and assist advantage can be attributed to minutes, but his shooting % (overall and, especially from 3, are far superior to Cole's). Cole's had some big moments lately and the best personality but Sexton's just a better player. I don't think there's any scenario where both are an option - too expensive for redundant bench players. In the unlikely case that Weltman does something to improve our backcourt playmaking - Cole really has to go. If the other team won't take on his remaining year, I could see him moved for very little - just to clear cap this summer for the incoming extensions and, hopefully, some re-working of the bench rotation so that we're not spending so much on guys we can't rely on.

And-1

I am all for trading Anthony for a non-streaky guard. I do worry that Sexton would be grumpy as a sixth man. But winning solves a lot of ego issues.


If I was WePark, would I trade Anthony, Howard and the Denver FRP for Sexton and Juzang? Yes.

[RichCollab]

Sexton has never played on a winning team. Cole regaining his offensive game reduces the need for Sexton. Sure Sexton has better FG% but doesn’t seem dramatic.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/cole_anthony_vs_collin_sexton.htm

[three3d]

For argument sake let’s just say Cole’s turned it all around and once again is the microwave 6th man scorer and playmaker we’ve been needing. I think we need to upgrade the Center rotation or have a PF able to play some Center for us.

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[89Magicfan]

I wouldn’t do anything atm. Ship isn’t sinking and nothing seems obvious to make. Sexton is solid but I rather see the growth Cole makes after having a tough beginning. Adversity is a must for one to go through to be better. There was a point when he was one our best potential players outside of PB and Franz.

[Skybox]

Sexton was only a part-time starter last year and the year past, so maybe.

Certainly he would be taking Anthony's place on this roster, which means a trade something like:

Anthony, Howard and the Denver FRP for Sexton and Juzang.

Sounds quite lateral to me, but the depth chart is fairly clear with that trade.

I don't think it's lateral at all. Sexton's offensive efficiency is miles ahead of Cole's. He's MUCH more of a threat from deep and he gets to the line more. Perhaps Sexton's FTA and assist advantage can be attributed to minutes, but his shooting % (overall and, especially from 3, are far superior to Cole's). Cole's had some big moments lately and the best personality but Sexton's just a better player. I don't think there's any scenario where both are an option - too expensive for redundant bench players. In the unlikely case that Weltman does something to improve our backcourt playmaking - Cole really has to go. If the other team won't take on his remaining year, I could see him moved for very little - just to clear cap this summer for the incoming extensions and, hopefully, some re-working of the bench rotation so that we're not spending so much on guys we can't rely on.

And-1

I am all for trading Anthony for a non-streaky guard. I do worry that Sexton would be grumpy as a sixth man. But winning solves a lot of ego issues.


If I was WePark, would I trade Anthony, Howard and the Denver FRP for Sexton and Juzang? Yes.

I would add that, due to their exceptional to elite 3pt shooting, either Sexton or Simons could not only lead the second unit as playmakers, but also drop into spot-up roles with Paolo & Franz (and AB) at times. My whole vision for either one of them is more Manu Ginobli than Cole Anthony-level. I could see either one playing as many minutes as either starting guard on occasion and routinely scoring more than both...not knocking the present starting lineup, I like the ferocity of the POA defense. It would be added to our present situation, not instead of...and I think AB could also have a significant role at the same time. Our young (other than KCP) backcourt of Suggs/KCP/AB/Sexton could be as sound as our young frontcourt.

[Skybox]

Sexton has never played on a winning team. Cole regaining his offensive game reduces the need for Sexton. Sure Sexton has better FG% but doesn’t seem dramatic.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/cole_anthony_vs_collin_sexton.htm

Field Goal Percentage
Cole Anthony .416

Collin Sexton .469


3-Point Percentage
Cole Anthony .339

Collin Sexton .388


...These are MASSIVE differences and you listed career numbers...the more recent ones are even more telling. Sexton's 3pt volume is also significantly higher as well as the hit rate. You can argue cost or whatever hazy "fam" stuff you want to argue vs Sexton, but Collin Sexton is just a way better player than Cole Anthony.

I also think Sexton has a ferocity that will translate and be compounded with Mosley, KCP, Mosley's impact. Cole's also as game as anyone, but I think Sexton might even have another gear we haven't seen. You point out that Sexton's never been on a winning team. He's not a primary guy that carries a team (and wouldn't be here), so that's not his fault...I could see him breathing fire in a youthful, competitive environment. That argument is generally flawed because there are dozens if not hundreds of players along for the ride on championship teams that couldn't hold a "loser" like Barkley's jock, for example.

[yoyojw17]

If the FO believes that Cole anthony is turning the corner.... they might no longer be shopping for a replacement. A couple flashes isn't enough to really sway some fans on here... but if it aligns with the FO evaluation on and off the court... he might be an asset as we continue. Praying that Cole got his groove back.... because he is a an integral part of the brotherhood that is being formed.

[Skybox]

I'd sure like to add a viable Center for depth behind Goga ASAP...I like WCJ, but he just can't be relied upon for effort as well as availability. Sad because when he's good, he can be really good.

I've always been a fan of Steven Adams...he had 6 offensive rebounds in his 13 mins last night. He's missed a lot of time and I don't think HOU acquired him for a big role. I have no idea if he'd be available, but he'd be awesome and even more substantial in a physical playoff series. His picks are teeth-rattling and his physical presence alone is significant. He's an expiring and I don't see a backup C on HOU - so they may not be interested unless there's a gross overpay (which I wouldn't do for an older, oft-injured guy).

But...

Orl sends: Jett, Harris, Cole, ORL 25 frp, 3srps
ORL gets: Steven Adams, Collin Sexton

HOU sends: Steven Adams
HOU gets: Cole Anthony, 3 srps

UTA sends: Collin Sexton
UTA gets: Jett Howard, Gary Harris (TO), ORL 25 frp (top 5)

IDK if HOU goes for that...I don't want to throw a frp ( I kind of do ) for Adams, but also to get off of Cole's remaining year. HOU has NO use for Cole, with Reed Shepherd on deck - I think...but maybe draft equity and, basically an expiring salary (next year) in Cole could be packaged in a bigger deal...or maybe Cole gives them a little more comfort in packaging FVV for a bigger fish like Butler?

Ideally, we trade for a Sexton (or Simons) and also get a bench big back in the same deal (Fillipowski? Eubanks? would love Kessler or Taylor Hendricks for considerably more draft equity, if possible).

[Skybox]

If the FO believes that Cole anthony is turning the corner.... they might no longer be shopping for a replacement. A couple flashes isn't enough to really sway some fans on here... but if it aligns with the FO evaluation on and off the court... he might be an asset as we continue. Praying that Cole got his groove back.... because he is a an integral part of the brotherhood that is being formed.

Fultz had just enough "flashes" to hang around way beyond his utility to ORL...now he's watching the NBA on TV

That sounds mean because I really do love Cole and wish him the best...but this org has done way too much "over-waiting" for guys. You can't be afraid that the player still has something inside waiting to come out - when you're this far along. I'd be rooting for Cole Anthony (almost) every night in a UTA uniform.

[The-Stallion70]

I do not want Sexton, he's not really a smart team player. There are nuances to the game that he doesn't understand. Don't fall for his stats.

This is a big reason why his contract extension was a **** and nobody really wanted to pay it.

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/cavs-veterans-unimpressed-with-collin-sexton/#:~:text=The%20line%20on%20Sexton%20is%20that%20he,set%20up%20teammates%20as%20a%20point%20guard.

Didn't take teammates long to say he doesn't really know how to play.

Cole is a team player he just knows his style is as a scorer.

[Skybox]

I do not want Sexton, he's not really a smart team player. There are nuances to the game that he doesn't understand. Don't fall for his stats.

This is a big reason why his contract extension was a **** and nobody really wanted to pay it.

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/cavs-veterans-unimpressed-with-collin-sexton/#:~:text=The%20line%20on%20Sexton%20is%20that%20he,set%20up%20teammates%20as%20a%20point%20guard.

Didn't take teammates long to say he doesn't really know how to play.

Cole is a team player he just knows his style is as a scorer.

I don't claim to know the current reality or the guy...but that article is 6 years old, so Sexton was 20yo. His stats are far different now and much more efficient. Lauri kind of sucked on THAT team too...then exploded when he got moved.

It's especially ironic when compared to the immense patience many here have with our own young guys - giving them multiple "real rookie years" and projecting all kinds of visions that we're not seeing signs of.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I do not want Sexton, he's not really a smart team player. There are nuances to the game that he doesn't understand. Don't fall for his stats.

This is a big reason why his contract extension was a **** and nobody really wanted to pay it.

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/cavs-veterans-unimpressed-with-collin-sexton/#:~:text=The%20line%20on%20Sexton%20is%20that%20he,set%20up%20teammates%20as%20a%20point%20guard.

Didn't take teammates long to say he doesn't really know how to play.

Cole is a team player he just knows his style is as a scorer.

I don't claim to know the current reality or the guy...but that article is 6 years old, so Sexton was 20yo. His stats are far different now and much more efficient. Lauri kind of sucked on THAT team too...then exploded when he got moved.

if you've paid attention to this year he has absolutely tried to push that tanking Utah team to wins. The other day he had a rookie waive him off and not get the ball across the court before 8 second violation got called. Sexton looks to have had it with that tanking path so it'll be interesting if he does ask out,

[RichCollab]

If the FO believes that Cole anthony is turning the corner.... they might no longer be shopping for a replacement. A couple flashes isn't enough to really sway some fans on here... but if it aligns with the FO evaluation on and off the court... he might be an asset as we continue. Praying that Cole got his groove back.... because he is a an integral part of the brotherhood that is being formed.

Fultz had just enough "flashes" to hang around way beyond his utility to ORL...now he's watching the NBA on TV

That sounds mean because I really do love Cole and wish him the best...but this org has done way too much "over-waiting" for guys. You can't be afraid that the player still has something inside waiting to come out - when you're this far along. I'd be rooting for Cole Anthony (almost) every night in a UTA uniform.

Fultz had physical limitations do to injury. Cole is also part of our soul.

Cole is playing better defense than Sexton.

The shooting percentages are enough for me. Cole is much cheaper. Let AB and TDS continue to gain additional play making experience.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

If the FO believes that Cole anthony is turning the corner.... they might no longer be shopping for a replacement. A couple flashes isn't enough to really sway some fans on here... but if it aligns with the FO evaluation on and off the court... he might be an asset as we continue. Praying that Cole got his groove back.... because he is a an integral part of the brotherhood that is being formed.

Fultz had just enough "flashes" to hang around way beyond his utility to ORL...now he's watching the NBA on TV

That sounds mean because I really do love Cole and wish him the best...but this org has done way too much "over-waiting" for guys. You can't be afraid that the player still has something inside waiting to come out - when you're this far along. I'd be rooting for Cole Anthony (almost) every night in a UTA uniform.

Fultz had physical limitations do to injury. Cole is also part of our soul.

Cole is playing better defense than Sexton.

The shooting percentages are enough for me. Cole is much cheaper. Let AB and TDS continue to gain additional play making experience.

Cole gets to play with a top-five defensive team around him, whereas Sexton is playing with rookies who don't even know 8-second violations and aren't being asked to win. If Sexton came here, I'm sure he'd be fine on the defensive side.

Ya'll are crazy that 1 decent week wipes away 2 years of being barely playable.

[Bergmaniac]

I do not want Sexton, he's not really a smart team player.

And Cole is? That's a good one.

[yoyojw17]

Fultz had just enough "flashes" to hang around way beyond his utility to ORL...now he's watching the NBA on TV

That sounds mean because I really do love Cole and wish him the best...but this org has done way too much "over-waiting" for guys. You can't be afraid that the player still has something inside waiting to come out - when you're this far along. I'd be rooting for Cole Anthony (almost) every night in a UTA uniform.

Fultz had physical limitations do to injury. Cole is also part of our soul.

Cole is playing better defense than Sexton.

The shooting percentages are enough for me. Cole is much cheaper. Let AB and TDS continue to gain additional play making experience.

Cole gets to play with a top-five defensive team around him, whereas Sexton is playing with rookies who don't even know 8-second violations and aren't being asked to win. If Sexton came here, I'm sure he'd be fine on the defensive side.

Ya'll are crazy that 1 decent week wipes away 2 years of being barely playable.

As I said... based on on and off the court evaluation. People have their ups and downs.... Cole was looking like 6th man of the year last ... got injured and didn't really get to form. This offseason cole has added 15 lb of suggested muscle... and now swole cole is changing his playing style and yes his defensive effort is getting better. I didn't say that we should keep him because of the these last two weeks... but if they honestly believe he is coming around the corner ... then they have every right to wait.

and yes.... fultz was injured and it would have panned out if his injuries did not persist. And in that case they would have looked like geniuses as they salvaged a 1st round pick and made him into what they wanted. But... to find out if anything in life will work... you gotta take the time and watch it play out. Have some patience and see if it will fail or not.

Shoot... at the beginning of the season... talks of Simons was at a minimum.... why... because he wasn't doing that great. Portland was being touted as wanting to sell on him... etc etc etc.... now he's bounced back and Scoot and Sharpe have not fully been able to take the reins... do you think that Portland is going to force the trade?

IF Cole is turning the corner and FO feels like he is going to be where they would like him.... WHILE being part of the DNA of the team... there is no need to part with him and other assets to pick up another player that you're hoping... works out. At the end of the day... NONE of us have more data points on our players than they do.... so we just have to wait and see what they decide and whether it works.

If tomorrow i woke up and found out Cole got traded.... i'm not going to be up in arms ... i'd say... "Sweet... they made the choice for a reason and I hope player X works out the way they want it"

[The-Stallion70]

I do not want Sexton, he's not really a smart team player.

And Cole is? That's a good one.

what's even funnier is apparently you can't read, i said that Cole is a team player he just knows his role is as a scorer.

I've personally thought that Sexton just appears to be a team cancer.

[Magic_Johnny12]

I know this is probably not a well received notion and I know it’s easy to just throw in players that are underperforming in trade scenarios, but I’m a little bullish on Jett and don’t think I would add him in any trade that isn’t a significant needle mover.

I’m not saying he’s untouchable, but I wouldn’t include in a Sexton trade but I would include him in a Johnson deal.

Jett has a lot to be desired in a prospect that is trying to find his niche in this league.

Extremely confident in his ability to shoot the ball (maybe a little too confident), has shown the ability to follow defensive schemes (still a lot to improve, but moves his feel well). Obviously has an elite stroke.

It’s a bit difficult to evaluate a 2nd yr player that’s on a tight/short leash that’s playing on a team with deep playoff aspirations.

If I was an opposing lottery GM, I would be calling Orlando trying to pry Jett and allow him the same freedom as someone like Gradey Dick has in Toronto. Situations and roles matter.

[RichCollab]

Fultz had just enough "flashes" to hang around way beyond his utility to ORL...now he's watching the NBA on TV

That sounds mean because I really do love Cole and wish him the best...but this org has done way too much "over-waiting" for guys. You can't be afraid that the player still has something inside waiting to come out - when you're this far along. I'd be rooting for Cole Anthony (almost) every night in a UTA uniform.

Fultz had physical limitations do to injury. Cole is also part of our soul.

Cole is playing better defense than Sexton.

The shooting percentages are enough for me. Cole is much cheaper. Let AB and TDS continue to gain additional play making experience.

Cole gets to play with a top-five defensive team around him, whereas Sexton is playing with rookies who don't even know 8-second violations and aren't being asked to win. If Sexton came here, I'm sure he'd be fine on the defensive side.

Ya'll are crazy that 1 decent week wipes away 2 years of being barely playable.

Watch Cole’s 1 on 1 defense bs Sexton or Simons. He seems much more engaged. I have watched all 3 a lot lately.

[Residual-Heat]

Cole is probably the better defender, but not by much. Sexton has the tools to be every bit as good on defense. He just needs a good coach and supporting cast.

Sexton is a much better offensive player, its not close. He is far from perfect and unlikely to make this team a contender, but Sexton is a big upgrade and one that i think might be worth the price. I dont think he'll have an issue with coming off the bench, and i dont think its his fault he has been on losing teams.

Also would be nice if we can get Eubanks too given Isaac and WCJ's injury history.