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1993Playoffs wrote:So many games where in the past he would have scored 25+ this year he’s scored 17-18 pts
Ian Scuffling wrote:1993Playoffs wrote:So many games where in the past he would have scored 25+ this year he’s scored 17-18 pts
He's old. LOL...This game was odd, though as he only took 11 shots? But, it does sound like the to's were bad in this one. Again, old guys will have games like this. This team is what it is. Middling.
nzahir wrote:Lebron's lazy defensive and rebounding effort+Reaves defense+Rui's defense and inability to rebound consistently (as well as this whole team basically) is killing us
Lets see how we look with Vando, but we definitely need another couple different pieces
If we cant get Kessler and not going for RW3, I wouldnt mind a Vuc deal and just play bigger more often. At least have some identity and try to find an advantage somewhere
Not good enough on either end to do anything serious with this group sadly
Prayer would be KD is available and we take a hail mary on him. I think we have enough with Reaves or without (but then you lose Max and Knecht if keeping AR)
zimpy27 wrote:nzahir wrote:Lebron's lazy defensive and rebounding effort+Reaves defense+Rui's defense and inability to rebound consistently (as well as this whole team basically) is killing us
Lets see how we look with Vando, but we definitely need another couple different pieces
If we cant get Kessler and not going for RW3, I wouldnt mind a Vuc deal and just play bigger more often. At least have some identity and try to find an advantage somewhere
Not good enough on either end to do anything serious with this group sadly
Prayer would be KD is available and we take a hail mary on him. I think we have enough with Reaves or without (but then you lose Max and Knecht if keeping AR)
How would you feel about this?
Bulls get Knecht, Rui
Blazers get Vincent, JHS, POR25FRP(lottery protected)
Lakers get Lonzo, RW3
Lakers grab Lonnie Walker to get to 14 players.
Reaves, Christie, DFS, LeBron, Davis
Lonzo, Lonnie, Vando, Wood, RW3
Milton, Bronny, Reddish, Hayes
dcstanley wrote:They need another guard/creator, a playable big off the bench, a 2-way wing, and more shooting.
That still won't be enough because Reaves, Lebron, and AD are simply not good enough for the roles that they occupy.
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:I don’t think LeBron was as good a point guard as Mo Williams for the point guard play not counting the scoring threat. In other words in a non shooting Rondo like role Mo Williams would be better than LeBron.
tone wone wrote:dcstanley wrote:They need another guard/creator, a playable big off the bench, a 2-way wing, and more shooting.
That still won't be enough because Reaves, Lebron, and AD are simply not good enough for the roles that they occupy.
Pelinka built a play-in dynasty.
LAL missed their window to do something special. They had easily the best duo in the league (and wouldve been on the short list for best duo of all time if Lebron were a little younger) but untimely injuries and the worst transaction in franchise history ended the possibility.
Tracymcgoaty wrote:tone wone wrote:dcstanley wrote:They need another guard/creator, a playable big off the bench, a 2-way wing, and more shooting.
That still won't be enough because Reaves, Lebron, and AD are simply not good enough for the roles that they occupy.
Pelinka built a play-in dynasty.
LAL missed their window to do something special. They had easily the best duo in the league (and wouldve been on the short list for best duo of all time if Lebron were a little younger) but untimely injuries and the worst transaction in franchise history ended the possibility.
As much Pelinka is to blame for that trade if AD and Lebron just decided to shut the **** up and let the GM be the GM who knows that trade might never have happened.
Because that trade was 100% influenced by Lebron and AD wanting another ballhandler to take pressure of off Lebron. So all three of them each get a chunk of the blame.
All that told me though is that Pelinka is an idiot. I understand players being idiots in how to construct a roster because they think it's 2K but how can a GM not see the fit not working? Either he knew and didn't have the balls to tell them to back off or he's just as stupid.
Either way it's an indictment on Pelinka.
zimpy27 wrote:Tracymcgoaty wrote:tone wone wrote:Pelinka built a play-in dynasty.
LAL missed their window to do something special. They had easily the best duo in the league (and wouldve been on the short list for best duo of all time if Lebron were a little younger) but untimely injuries and the worst transaction in franchise history ended the possibility.
As much Pelinka is to blame for that trade if AD and Lebron just decided to shut the **** up and let the GM be the GM who knows that trade might never have happened.
Because that trade was 100% influenced by Lebron and AD wanting another ballhandler to take pressure of off Lebron. So all three of them each get a chunk of the blame.
All that told me though is that Pelinka is an idiot. I understand players being idiots in how to construct a roster because they think it's 2K but how can a GM not see the fit not working? Either he knew and didn't have the balls to tell them to back off or he's just as stupid.
Either way it's an indictment on Pelinka.
Lakers won the championship and Pelinka decided that instead of paying Rondo, he's going to trade Danny Greena and the pick that became Jaden McDaniels for the expiring Schroeder. He then proceeded to give Schroeder a 4 year $80m deal, which was declined.
2021 team was crusing in the regular season prior to the injuries. And Lebron was playing at an MVP level before Solomon injured him.
Coulda woulda shoulda no reason to dwell in the past.
Rob had already created the initial mess of no point guards with these shenanigans. Schroeder was not able to playmake as well as Rondo, Lakers needed a 35-40% AST% guy and Schroeder is a 25-30% guy, so Lakers leaned heavily on THT when LeBron went down. They ended up convincing themselves that THT was amazing and paid THT over Caruso.
This was all done separate to the Westbrook trade.
Tracymcgoaty wrote:zimpy27 wrote:Tracymcgoaty wrote:
As much Pelinka is to blame for that trade if AD and Lebron just decided to shut the **** up and let the GM be the GM who knows that trade might never have happened.
Because that trade was 100% influenced by Lebron and AD wanting another ballhandler to take pressure of off Lebron. So all three of them each get a chunk of the blame.
All that told me though is that Pelinka is an idiot. I understand players being idiots in how to construct a roster because they think it's 2K but how can a GM not see the fit not working? Either he knew and didn't have the balls to tell them to back off or he's just as stupid.
Either way it's an indictment on Pelinka.
Lakers won the championship and Pelinka decided that instead of paying Rondo, he's going to trade Danny Greena and the pick that became Jaden McDaniels for the expiring Schroeder. He then proceeded to give Schroeder a 4 year $80m deal, which was declined.
2021 team was crusing in the regular season prior to the injuries. And Lebron was playing at an MVP level before Solomon injured him.
Coulda woulda shoulda no reason to dwell in the past.
Rob had already created the initial mess of no point guards with these shenanigans. Schroeder was not able to playmake as well as Rondo, Lakers needed a 35-40% AST% guy and Schroeder is a 25-30% guy, so Lakers leaned heavily on THT when LeBron went down. They ended up convincing themselves that THT was amazing and paid THT over Caruso.
This was all done separate to the Westbrook trade.
I still stay run the same team back from 2021 but we panicked as soon as injuries happened and brought in WB. schroeder was good for us imo but relying on him to be one of the main guys when AD went down isn't gonna work.
Rob isn't good. He's really bad. But the funeral happened as soon as the trigger for WB happened.
Thats on our two main guys and Rob.
Who knows what this team would have looked like had that not happened. Everything since then has been Rob trying to scramble something together.
zimpy27 wrote:Tracymcgoaty wrote:zimpy27 wrote:
Lakers won the championship and Pelinka decided that instead of paying Rondo, he's going to trade Danny Greena and the pick that became Jaden McDaniels for the expiring Schroeder. He then proceeded to give Schroeder a 4 year $80m deal, which was declined.
2021 team was crusing in the regular season prior to the injuries. And Lebron was playing at an MVP level before Solomon injured him.
Coulda woulda shoulda no reason to dwell in the past.
Rob had already created the initial mess of no point guards with these shenanigans. Schroeder was not able to playmake as well as Rondo, Lakers needed a 35-40% AST% guy and Schroeder is a 25-30% guy, so Lakers leaned heavily on THT when LeBron went down. They ended up convincing themselves that THT was amazing and paid THT over Caruso.
This was all done separate to the Westbrook trade.
I still stay run the same team back from 2021 but we panicked as soon as injuries happened and brought in WB. schroeder was good for us imo but relying on him to be one of the main guys when AD went down isn't gonna work.
Rob isn't good. He's really bad. But the funeral happened as soon as the trigger for WB happened.
Thats on our two main guys and Rob.
Who knows what this team would have looked like had that not happened. Everything since then has been Rob trying to scramble something together.
2021 team was floored and it did well because LeBron and Davis were pre-injury while Marc Gasol was still playing. The rerun of 20-21 would not get it done.
Lakers needed a PG upgrade, Westbrook was the wrong option. DeMar was the right option while keeping Caruso.
Even then, Lakers could have traded Westbrook for Turner and pieces of they gave up 2 FRPs. They didn't. That move would have helped the Lakers more than Westbrook for DLo.
Hell, just take Conley+NAW instead of DLo, Lakers probably have a great shot to win the 2023 championship.
zimpy27 wrote:Can't change the past.
I do think you can take a gamble in Lonzo now who, if healthy, is a player in the mold of White/Jrue. Or he's unplayable because of injury. That's the gamble but you can take it it for a low price before the deadline.
Tracymcgoaty wrote:zimpy27 wrote:Can't change the past.
I do think you can take a gamble in Lonzo now who, if healthy, is a player in the mold of White/Jrue. Or he's unplayable because of injury. That's the gamble but you can take it it for a low price before the deadline.
What would we give up for zo?
Tracymcgoaty wrote:tone wone wrote:dcstanley wrote:They need another guard/creator, a playable big off the bench, a 2-way wing, and more shooting.
That still won't be enough because Reaves, Lebron, and AD are simply not good enough for the roles that they occupy.
Pelinka built a play-in dynasty.
LAL missed their window to do something special. They had easily the best duo in the league (and wouldve been on the short list for best duo of all time if Lebron were a little younger) but untimely injuries and the worst transaction in franchise history ended the possibility.
As much Pelinka is to blame for that trade if AD and Lebron just decided to shut the **** up and let the GM be the GM who knows that trade might never have happened.
Because that trade was 100% influenced by Lebron and AD wanting another ballhandler to take pressure of off Lebron. So all three of them each get a chunk of the blame.
All that told me though is that Pelinka is an idiot. I understand players being idiots in how to construct a roster because they think it's 2K but how can a GM not see the fit not working? Either he knew and didn't have the balls to tell them to back off or he's just as stupid.
Either way it's an indictment on Pelinka.