The Brock Purdy Thread

[CrimsonCrew]

This is quite ironic on a couple different levels.

1) We aren't real far removed from you not being able to stand Darnold, and calling him trash because he was ahead of Lance on the depth chart.

2) You insist on giving Darnold flowers, while downgrading Purdy due to his situation saying he's solely a product of system/team mates, etc. Well apparently you aren't paying any attention to what the situation is in Minnesota.

Darnold was easily among the worst starting QB's in the NFL while he was in New York and Carolina, and his overall teams were trash.

In Minnesota he has the luxury of:

A young, very bright and promising offensive minded head coach.
Benefits from having the 4th best defense in the NFL in points allowed.
Benefits from his defense forcing the most turnovers in the NFL.
Throws to literally the best WR in the league in Jefferson
Has a damn good WR2, easily among the best WR2's in the league in Addison
Has a legit top 5 TE in Hockenson
Plays behind a top 10 ranked O-line

Only thing Minnesota doesn't excel in is the run game, but they aren't terrible there as they are 18th.

In other words, Darnold's deck is stacked. But yet again, you refuse to be consistent with your own self induced metrics.

Your view is: Darnold is amazing but not because of Minnesota's top notch situation. Whereas Purdy is solely a product of SF's system.

Got it... well at least I got it until, you inevitably move the goal posts yet again.

This is easy to explain. The Vikings were 7-10 the year before Darnold joined them. The big change they had in the offseason? QB.
Niners were a perennial Super Bowl contender prior to Purdy starting and CMC joining. Jimmy, who everyone here says sucks was 1 play from winning a ring with that cast. This year when we take away 2/4ths of the avengers Purdy looks like a mid tier QB.

Little bit of cherry-picking there. The Vikings were 13-4 in 2022. In 2023, Cousins got injured and they went 7-10. Cousins went 4-4 to start 2022, but they scored 17+ points in every game, and 20+ points in three of four losses. They beat us and the Packers with Cousins playing. But they went 1-7 down the stretch (including in the soft part of their schedule) with shaky QB play and a defense that struggled more and more as the season progressed.

This year's team looks a lot like that 2022 13-4 team. Given that, it's hard to put it all on Darnold IMO. He's played well. Is he head-and-shoulders above Purdy? Let's see him start a playoff game before we decide.

If only someone had suggested reserving judgment on Darnold until tonight. <Cough, cough>

[CrimsonCrew]

I would have Herbert outside my top 5 (off the top of my head, I'd rather have Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Burrow, Goff, possibly a few others). But while I'm glad it's not my money, $52.5M APY seems to be a reasonable market rate for a top 10 QB.

No way should Goff be in a top 5 list. He makes dumb plays at the worst times in games. There’s a reason that McVay dumped him for Stafford.

I actually agree.

Goff is actually great when he's got a clean pocket but has a huge dip in effectiveness when pressured. Yes that's true for all QBs but Goff can get really bad.

Goff is the same QB he was with the Rams he's just playing behind one of the best if not the best offensive lines in the league which is boosting his production.

Historically, Goff is one of the worst in the league under pressure. He's just been playing behind an awesome OL for the past few years.

[Pattersonca65]

This is easy to explain. The Vikings were 7-10 the year before Darnold joined them. The big change they had in the offseason? QB.
Niners were a perennial Super Bowl contender prior to Purdy starting and CMC joining. Jimmy, who everyone here says sucks was 1 play from winning a ring with that cast. This year when we take away 2/4ths of the avengers Purdy looks like a mid tier QB.

Little bit of cherry-picking there. The Vikings were 13-4 in 2022. In 2023, Cousins got injured and they went 7-10. Cousins went 4-4 to start 2022, but they scored 17+ points in every game, and 20+ points in three of four losses. They beat us and the Packers with Cousins playing. But they went 1-7 down the stretch (including in the soft part of their schedule) with shaky QB play and a defense that struggled more and more as the season progressed.

This year's team looks a lot like that 2022 13-4 team. Given that, it's hard to put it all on Darnold IMO. He's played well. Is he head-and-shoulders above Purdy? Let's see him start a playoff game before we decide.

If only someone had suggested reserving judgment on Darnold until tonight. <Cough, cough>

The stories that are going to.come out of minnesota tmw will be entertaining

[Jikkle]

The last two games should end any discussions of bringing back Darnold this offseason because the two biggest games of the year for the Vikes he was a disaster and looked like seeing ghosts Darnold.

That doesn't mean I don't think the discussion around Purdy ultimately being the guy or not for the 9ers isn't fair but you can't sell me on the idea of replacing Purdy with Darnold. And Darnold played QB for my high school so I actually do root for the guy to succeed.

I also this puts a nail in the JJ McCarthy talk because while I believe you still resign Darnold if you're the Vikings there is no chance I'm not keeping McCarthy because you obviously can't put all your eggs in the Darnold basket now.

[CrimsonCrew]

Nothing at all against Darnold. From everything I've heard, he's a great guy and was a good teammate while he was here. He just doesn't seem to have the mentality to play QB in the league. Some guys just don't. Everyone struggles. But struggling consistently for two crucial games like he did is a huge setback for a guy who had done so much to rebuild his reputation this year.

[Pattersonca65]

Nothing at all against Darnold. From everything I've heard, he's a great guy and was a good teammate while he was here. He just doesn't seem to have the mentality to play QB in the league. Some guys just don't. Everyone struggles. But struggling consistently for two crucial games like he did is a huge setback for a guy who had done so much to rebuild his reputation this year.

Unfortunate. He is a good guy and we should all wish him the best when he left. The same thing with Jimmy who I really liked but we had to hear every game how great Darnold was and it got old and tired fast. I checked out the Minny board and as you can imagine Darnold is getting roasted pretty hard and state what you mentioned above. The Rams blitzed and were able to duplicate what Detroit had done and with consistent pressure Darnold got rattled. The interception he had all day to throw that one. Just a poor decision. He was inaccurate all game and took bad sacks where he had plenty of time to get rid of the ball. He looked like Beathard at times with his pocket presence.

[Big J]

It’s funny how other QBs struggling in the playoffs is seen as a positive for Purdy when he failed to make the playoffs with a team that had the best odds to win the Super Bowl before the season started.

[Pattersonca65]

It’s funny how other QBs struggling in the playoffs is seen as a positive for Purdy when he failed to make the playoffs with a team that had the best odds to win the Super Bowl before the season started.

What is funny is watching the narrative you have been pushing all season fizzle. We all had to listen to it all season. I am sure it won't stop your Purdy obsession all next season

[Big J]

It’s funny how other QBs struggling in the playoffs is seen as a positive for Purdy when he failed to make the playoffs with a team that had the best odds to win the Super Bowl before the season started.

What is funny is watching the narrative you have been pushing all season fizzle. We all had to listen to it all season. I am sure it won't stop your Purdy obsession all next season

The narrative that Purdy can’t win without the Avengers? Sure fizzled alright.

[Pattersonca65]

It’s funny how other QBs struggling in the playoffs is seen as a positive for Purdy when he failed to make the playoffs with a team that had the best odds to win the Super Bowl before the season started.

What is funny is watching the narrative you have been pushing all season fizzle. We all had to listen to it all season. I am sure it won't stop your Purdy obsession all next season

The narrative that Purdy can’t win without the Avengers? Sure fizzled alright.

Cant you come up with a better name? Your dumb narrative about Darnold and all the other qbs you keep posting on here. But keep up your Purdy obsession. I am sure that is all that we will be hearing from you. I still was hoping you would get your own thread

[CrimsonCrew]

It’s funny how other QBs struggling in the playoffs is seen as a positive for Purdy when he failed to make the playoffs with a team that had the best odds to win the Super Bowl before the season started.

What is funny is watching the narrative you have been pushing all season fizzle. We all had to listen to it all season. I am sure it won't stop your Purdy obsession all next season

The narrative that Purdy can’t win without the Avengers? Sure fizzled alright.

Darnold was floated as a replacement for Purdy. That doesn't look terribly viable after the past two weeks, when Darnold wilted under the pressure. He looked like the old Darnold. I'd definitely rather have Purdy than that guy.

My views about paying Purdy top dollar haven't changed. I'm against it. I would pay him well, but I'm not at $60 million/year. I could get my head around $40 million/year.

But continuing to pretend that this team was only facing the loss of talent on offense - and "only" seems like a real minimization when it comes to losing his top-two playmakers and the guys most responsible for opening up opposing defenses - is silly. This team allowed nearly 10 points in the 4th quarter on average. They forced two turnovers after the bye. The defense simply could not stop anyone down the stretch. Did Pudy have opportunities to win games that he squandered? Absolutely. But the defense and STs were the huge issues this year. The offense was middle-of-the-pack despite substantially more significant injuries.

[Big J]

What is funny is watching the narrative you have been pushing all season fizzle. We all had to listen to it all season. I am sure it won't stop your Purdy obsession all next season

The narrative that Purdy can’t win without the Avengers? Sure fizzled alright.

Darnold was floated as a replacement for Purdy. That doesn't look terribly viable after the past two weeks, when Darnold wilted under the pressure. He looked like the old Darnold. I'd definitely rather have Purdy than that guy.

My views about paying Purdy top dollar haven't changed. I'm against it. I would pay him well, but I'm not at $60 million/year. I could get my head around $40 million/year.

But continuing to pretend that this team was only facing the loss of talent on offense - and "only" seems like a real minimization when it comes to losing his top-two playmakers and the guys most responsible for opening up opposing defenses - is silly. This team allowed nearly 10 points in the 4th quarter on average. They forced two turnovers after the bye. The defense simply could not stop anyone down the stretch. Did Pudy have opportunities to win games that he squandered? Absolutely. But the defense and STs were the huge issues this year. The offense was middle-of-the-pack despite substantially more significant injuries.

Every team deals with injuries man. Take the Lions for instance. They lost way more dudes than even we did, yet they have the top seed in the NFC.

[arich35]

The narrative that Purdy can’t win without the Avengers? Sure fizzled alright.

Darnold was floated as a replacement for Purdy. That doesn't look terribly viable after the past two weeks, when Darnold wilted under the pressure. He looked like the old Darnold. I'd definitely rather have Purdy than that guy.

My views about paying Purdy top dollar haven't changed. I'm against it. I would pay him well, but I'm not at $60 million/year. I could get my head around $40 million/year.

But continuing to pretend that this team was only facing the loss of talent on offense - and "only" seems like a real minimization when it comes to losing his top-two playmakers and the guys most responsible for opening up opposing defenses - is silly. This team allowed nearly 10 points in the 4th quarter on average. They forced two turnovers after the bye. The defense simply could not stop anyone down the stretch. Did Pudy have opportunities to win games that he squandered? Absolutely. But the defense and STs were the huge issues this year. The offense was middle-of-the-pack despite substantially more significant injuries.

Every team deals with injuries man. Take the Lions for instance. They lost way more dudes than even we did, yet they have the top seed in the NFC.

The Lions defense was not good after all the injuries but their offense really didn't have any injuries until Montgomery late in the year and they already had the best RB tandem in the league so wasn't that big of a deal. The Lions are a good team, coached well, great offensive live, and great weapons. I am not surprised they played that well.

49ers had way too many issues this year and Purdy was pretty far down the list. Considering he has a bottom 10 line especially with Williams out a ton this year and when he did play he looked rusty as hell early in the year. Even with all the **** going on this year the offense was still pretty good and Purdy had a pretty good year. I am still good with Purdy as the QB for a long time for this franchise but I also know he isn't worth Allen, Jackson, Mahomes, Burrow money.

Unfortunately the QB market is set when guys like Lawrence, Prescott, Love, Tua, and Goff are the highest paid QBs. I wouldn't take any of those guys over Purdy for the next 5 years, Love would probably be the only one that would be tied or a slightly ahead of Purdy but he has a lot of issues I am not a fan of

[CrimsonCrew]

The narrative that Purdy can’t win without the Avengers? Sure fizzled alright.

Darnold was floated as a replacement for Purdy. That doesn't look terribly viable after the past two weeks, when Darnold wilted under the pressure. He looked like the old Darnold. I'd definitely rather have Purdy than that guy.

My views about paying Purdy top dollar haven't changed. I'm against it. I would pay him well, but I'm not at $60 million/year. I could get my head around $40 million/year.

But continuing to pretend that this team was only facing the loss of talent on offense - and "only" seems like a real minimization when it comes to losing his top-two playmakers and the guys most responsible for opening up opposing defenses - is silly. This team allowed nearly 10 points in the 4th quarter on average. They forced two turnovers after the bye. The defense simply could not stop anyone down the stretch. Did Pudy have opportunities to win games that he squandered? Absolutely. But the defense and STs were the huge issues this year. The offense was middle-of-the-pack despite substantially more significant injuries.

Every team deals with injuries man. Take the Lions for instance. They lost way more dudes than even we did, yet they have the top seed in the NFC.

They did. On defense. And their defense hasn't been very good down the stretch (except against Darnold). On offense, they've been mostly healthy except Montgomery, and he's their 1B, more easily replaceable, RB.

Look, I'm worried about Purdy's performance this year. But losing your top two playmakers unexpectedly is going to impact any team. Losing your elite LT is going to make it worse. Our offense was good enough to make the playoffs, even with some late-game collapses on that side of the ball. The defense - which was healthy relative to the offense (they should never have expected significant contributions from Greenlaw this year) - was awful.

It's asking a lot of a QB to elevate the worst STs unit in the league, the worst 4th quarter D in the league, and an offense lacking his two most explosive playmakers. The negative conclusions any of us draw about Purdy should only go so far based on this season. But you'll see what you want to.

[Big J]

Darnold was floated as a replacement for Purdy. That doesn't look terribly viable after the past two weeks, when Darnold wilted under the pressure. He looked like the old Darnold. I'd definitely rather have Purdy than that guy.

My views about paying Purdy top dollar haven't changed. I'm against it. I would pay him well, but I'm not at $60 million/year. I could get my head around $40 million/year.

But continuing to pretend that this team was only facing the loss of talent on offense - and "only" seems like a real minimization when it comes to losing his top-two playmakers and the guys most responsible for opening up opposing defenses - is silly. This team allowed nearly 10 points in the 4th quarter on average. They forced two turnovers after the bye. The defense simply could not stop anyone down the stretch. Did Pudy have opportunities to win games that he squandered? Absolutely. But the defense and STs were the huge issues this year. The offense was middle-of-the-pack despite substantially more significant injuries.

Every team deals with injuries man. Take the Lions for instance. They lost way more dudes than even we did, yet they have the top seed in the NFC.

They did. On defense. And their defense hasn't been very good down the stretch (except against Darnold). On offense, they've been mostly healthy except Montgomery, and he's their 1B, more easily replaceable, RB.

Look, I'm worried about Purdy's performance this year. But losing your top two playmakers unexpectedly is going to impact any team. Losing your elite LT is going to make it worse. Our offense was good enough to make the playoffs, even with some late-game collapses on that side of the ball. The defense - which was healthy relative to the offense (they should never have expected significant contributions from Greenlaw this year) - was awful.

It's asking a lot of a QB to elevate the worst STs unit in the league, the worst 4th quarter D in the league, and an offense lacking his two most explosive playmakers. The negative conclusions any of us draw about Purdy should only go so far based on this season. But you'll see what you want to.

Tom Brady played 23 years in the league and never once missed the playoffs. That alone tells you how much influence a QB has over his teams record.

[Samurai]

Every team deals with injuries man. Take the Lions for instance. They lost way more dudes than even we did, yet they have the top seed in the NFC.

They did. On defense. And their defense hasn't been very good down the stretch (except against Darnold). On offense, they've been mostly healthy except Montgomery, and he's their 1B, more easily replaceable, RB.

Look, I'm worried about Purdy's performance this year. But losing your top two playmakers unexpectedly is going to impact any team. Losing your elite LT is going to make it worse. Our offense was good enough to make the playoffs, even with some late-game collapses on that side of the ball. The defense - which was healthy relative to the offense (they should never have expected significant contributions from Greenlaw this year) - was awful.

It's asking a lot of a QB to elevate the worst STs unit in the league, the worst 4th quarter D in the league, and an offense lacking his two most explosive playmakers. The negative conclusions any of us draw about Purdy should only go so far based on this season. But you'll see what you want to.

Tom Brady played 23 years in the league and never once missed the playoffs. That alone tells you how much influence a QB has over his teams record.

Seriously?? Can you name one sane poster who is seriously arguing that Purdy is in the same tier as Brady? Or is that just you moving the goal posts to a different continent....again.

[Big J]

They did. On defense. And their defense hasn't been very good down the stretch (except against Darnold). On offense, they've been mostly healthy except Montgomery, and he's their 1B, more easily replaceable, RB.

Look, I'm worried about Purdy's performance this year. But losing your top two playmakers unexpectedly is going to impact any team. Losing your elite LT is going to make it worse. Our offense was good enough to make the playoffs, even with some late-game collapses on that side of the ball. The defense - which was healthy relative to the offense (they should never have expected significant contributions from Greenlaw this year) - was awful.

It's asking a lot of a QB to elevate the worst STs unit in the league, the worst 4th quarter D in the league, and an offense lacking his two most explosive playmakers. The negative conclusions any of us draw about Purdy should only go so far based on this season. But you'll see what you want to.

Tom Brady played 23 years in the league and never once missed the playoffs. That alone tells you how much influence a QB has over his teams record.

Seriously?? Can you name one sane poster who is seriously arguing that Purdy is in the same tier as Brady? Or is that just you moving the goal posts to a different continent....again.

Okay, well every time I bring up other QB's to compare him to people flip out and act offended. At this point he's probably on the same tier as Kirk Cousins.

[thesack12]

Tom Brady played 23 years in the league and never once missed the playoffs. That alone tells you how much influence a QB has over his teams record.

Seriously?? Can you name one sane poster who is seriously arguing that Purdy is in the same tier as Brady? Or is that just you moving the goal posts to a different continent....again.

Okay, well every time I bring up other QB's to compare him to people flip out and act offended. At this point he's probably on the same tier as Kirk Cousins.

Actually you yourself once said that we shouldn't be comparing Purdy to the all time greats. You only said that because at the time Purdy's performance was on par or in most cases better than a lot of those guys at that point in their careers.

So you can't handle the + comparisons of Purdy to the greats, yet when the - side of the comparisons fit your ever shifting narrative you think they are 100% valid.

Its impossible to take anything you post seriously, because you'll walk it back in very short order.

[thesack12]

Every team deals with injuries man. Take the Lions for instance. They lost way more dudes than even we did, yet they have the top seed in the NFC.

They did. On defense. And their defense hasn't been very good down the stretch (except against Darnold). On offense, they've been mostly healthy except Montgomery, and he's their 1B, more easily replaceable, RB.

Look, I'm worried about Purdy's performance this year. But losing your top two playmakers unexpectedly is going to impact any team. Losing your elite LT is going to make it worse. Our offense was good enough to make the playoffs, even with some late-game collapses on that side of the ball. The defense - which was healthy relative to the offense (they should never have expected significant contributions from Greenlaw this year) - was awful.

It's asking a lot of a QB to elevate the worst STs unit in the league, the worst 4th quarter D in the league, and an offense lacking his two most explosive playmakers. The negative conclusions any of us draw about Purdy should only go so far based on this season. But you'll see what you want to.

Tom Brady played 23 years in the league and never once missed the playoffs. That alone tells you how much influence a QB has over his teams record.

Yet, you completely devalue Purdy's contributions before this season.

[thesack12]

It’s funny how other QBs struggling in the playoffs is seen as a positive for Purdy when he failed to make the playoffs with a team that had the best odds to win the Super Bowl before the season started.

Dude, its ok to admit you were wrong about Darnold.