2024-25 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V1.0

[dagger]

How about Boucher to Dallas for Grimes, Powell, and Prosper? We get 2 youngish players to add to our development pool, while Dallas gets a big who can score.

I can see Boucher to a lot of teams and the Raptors willing to take some future money back, but I have a feeling Masai would look to get a second FRP or high SRP in the coming draft in exchange for that salary take back. We have a lot of young wings and a shortage of bigs, and there most statistically likely scenario with our own FRP is that we draft a 1, 2 or 3 (unless its Flagg).

[LoveMyRaps]

Lock it in.

As fair as it gets.


Grizz get Konchar off the books (owed 6mil AAV over the next 3 years) - have to pay up a late first round pick.

I like LaRavia and he'd be a solid addition to this young squad.

[Ell Curry]

Not sure why people want to move Ochai.

We need 3pt shooting and defense. He does both. And he plays offball, cuts, us still young and cheap.

I like him, but the argument is there from a market perspective:
1. His shooting might be unsustainable, based on his (admittedly short) 3pt stats so far in the NBA (good in college the last 2 years, though) and more importantly what is like 7 years of not so good FT shooting including college. I think that's rare for 40% 3PT shooters. So maybe he's actually a 35% guy and we're selling high.

2. A lot of his value comes from being cheap this year and the next. That doesn't matter to us, but it sure as hell does to contending teams. Maybe that's worth a first.

And here's some softer reasons that are not as solid, not sure I'd be comfortable pitching them in a meeting but worth discussion:

3. If we did say move him for an expiring and a 1st rounder, maybe we can sign Alexander-Walker to replace him as a similar guy, and we're up a 1st. We definitely need more firsts, for trades (if Barnes and the 2025 picks are stars) or for the rebuild (if Barnes or the 2025 pick isn't a star and we don't find one in the 2026 draft). Start the SGA recruitment as a bonus.

4. Walter (not big enough) and Gradey (weak) are better off defending 2s, there's more SGs/Big PGs than 3s in the top 10 of the draft (Harper, Jakucionis, Tre Johnson, Edgecombe) who will also be better off defending 2s. Agbaji looks better defending 2 and he rebounds like a 2. We might need 2 big wings at the 3 defensively to survive. Though a 2nd unit with Agbaji, Walter and Shead from 3-1 is probably fine, if you figure we can draft a center or develop Chomche, Mogbo or say the PDX pick can play a bit off the bench and we can move Barrett + Dick + 1sts for the 5th starter along with Poeltl, Barnes, the 2025 1st and Quickley, which I'm assuming is Masai's plan.

[Ell Curry]

How about Boucher to Dallas for Grimes, Powell, and Prosper? We get 2 youngish players to add to our development pool, while Dallas gets a big who can score.

I think they like Grimes and he's probably just a slightly older Walter. But Dallas does make sense as a trade partner.

Can Dallas trade their first? Maybe we can get #24 for #35 if we send them Boucher and Mitchell and take Powell and Kleber, so they save 15M next year they can use on keeping Grimes and signing a better 4/5 big like Bobby Portis or just keeping Boucher. Big price to move up 11 picks, but we're rebuilding, so it isn't crazy. Maybe that pick can even be flipped for a future lightly protected first from some team who needs cheap talent sooner, rather than later, like Milwaukee or Denver or whoever.

[Psubs]

Toronto gets: DaRon Holmes, PJ Tucker (waive), 2025 1st pick (OKC via LAC) and cash

Denver gets: Chris Boucher

LAC get: Dario Saric and Future 2nd pick (Den)


Wanna trade Tucker, Davion, Bruce Brown and 2025 2nd pick (Por) for Zach Lavine and future 1st pick?

[Mr Swagtastic]

Toronto gets: DaRon Holmes, PJ Tucker (waive), 2025 1st pick (OKC via LAC) and cash

Denver gets: Chris Boucher

LAC get: Dario Saric and Future 2nd pick (Den)


Wanna trade Tucker, Davion, Bruce Brown and 2025 2nd pick (Por) for Zach Lavine and future 1st pick?

Toronto can't afford Zach going forward he's making $46 million next year then $49 million. Your at a potential $200 million payroll without your first round pick and secound round. Your over the first luxury tax apron approaching the second all for what a 6-7 seed in the East

[Psubs]

Zion....

Toronto trades: Ochai Agbaji, Davion Mitchell and Bruce Brown

New Orleans trades: Zion Williamson,

Raptors would void his contract but re-negotiate still owning his Bird rights? Good gamble for a flight risk. Maybe at worst a sign and trade? The team that he would likely leave for won't have the cap space.

Re-sign him him to an RJ Barrett sized contract with player option 3rd year?

[Saul Goodman]

Boucher
Portland 2nd

To Dallas

For

Kleber
2025 dallas 1st lotto protected

Take back some bad money but get a pick in the 20s where Masai and co have really found some gems in the past

[Van_Trump]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/dallas-mavericks/news/mavericks-predicted-acquire-26-million-raptors-center-trade-involving-maxi-kleber/e6a29b2407cdaaa7adba101c

Olynyk for Kleber

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Boucher, Ochai, POR 2025 SRP

FOR

Kyle Anderson, Moses Moody, Lindy Waters III, GSW 2025 FRP

Warriors get 2 rotation players that can help now and free up cap space for next season so they can be flexible in an attempt to acquire someone, for guys not in their rotation when healthy (Lindy Waters is but that says more about the terrible depth of GSW). I figure GSW might be one of the few teams that may be willing trade down for additional depth pieces. Ideally this trade is done in February at the deadline so we see where the Warriors are in the standings.

Raptors get another potential pick in the 10-20 range and take a try at rehabbing the value of Moses. We have to eat Anderson's contract to get this first from GSW but thats a small price to pay as that pick might be high enough to get Khaman alongside our own FRP in the top 5 (potentially).

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Not sure why people want to move Ochai.

We need 3pt shooting and defense. He does both. And he plays offball, cuts, us still young and cheap.

Decent role player but not a starter level player on any good team. If he can be moved for an up and coming talent that has starter potential I'm doing it. Plus he is ideally a 2 and not a 3 and we already have a logjam at the guard position I don't see him winning out on. The Raptors need to do a better job selling high on role players to get upgrades imo. We missed our chance doing so with Gary when his value was high and ended up just letting him go for nothing

I'm looking to package him with some combination of Boucher/BB + the POR 2nd to get a pick in the top 20.

[douggood]

we went from having threads about if Boucher would be in NBA if not for raptors from a month ago to having proposals getting 1sts back for him

the reality is somewhere in between, in a vacuum his value is probably 2 ok seconds.

[Tripod]

Not sure why people want to move Ochai.

We need 3pt shooting and defense. He does both. And he plays offball, cuts, us still young and cheap.

Decent role player but not a starter level player on any good team. If he can be moved for an up and coming talent that has starter potential I'm doing it. Plus he is ideally a 2 and not a 3 and we already have a logjam at the guard position I don't see him winning out on. The Raptors need to do a better job selling high on role players to get upgrades imo. We missed our chance doing so with Gary when his value was high and ended up just letting him go for nothing

I'm looking to package him with some combination of Boucher/BB + the POR 2nd to get a pick in the top 20.

I personally am not in a "must keep Ochai" camp. But I also wouldn't move him unless it's a clear upgrade.

I just think we have other pieces that don't fit and with him, he can be that 5th starter FOR NOW then be a good bench guy later on.

In a perfect world, we add a bigger version of him...man a young cheaper, OG would be perfect. But in the meantime, I just keep Ochai who at least can do most of that role....and we have no one else who can come close.

[CazOnReal]

FWIW I do think you can get a first for Boucher...provided you include the Portland 2nd a la the Goran Dragic trade.

The pick you'd be getting back would be lottery protected no matter what so it's not like you'd be goosing your odds of getting Flagg a la the Clippers pick getting Cleveland Kyrie Irving.

[dagger]

we went from having threads about if Boucher would be in NBA if not for raptors from a month ago to having proposals getting 1sts back for him

the reality is somewhere in between, in a vacuum his value is probably 2 ok seconds.

Like a lot of trade ideas, it really depends on what is coming back in contracts, is some of it future money, all of it, none of it (i.e. only expiring). In some cases, the value can increase with what is taken back, and as always, whose picks we are talking about.

[dagger]

FWIW I do think you can get a first for Boucher...provided you include the Portland 2nd a la the Goran Dragic trade.

The pick you'd be getting back would be lottery protected no matter what so it's not like you'd be goosing your odds of getting Flagg a la the Clippers pick getting Cleveland Kyrie Irving.

As always, money back is an issue. If you are talking about a FRP like Dallas, this trade looks kind of like a pick swap, not particularly inviting unless the contracts coming back are expiring. If the contract coming back is, say Kleber, you'd expect more.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/dallas-mavericks/news/mavericks-predicted-acquire-26-million-raptors-center-trade-involving-maxi-kleber/e6a29b2407cdaaa7adba101c

Olynyk for Kleber

lol I don’t see us getting a frp for olynyk.

[Mister Ze]

According to WT Zion wants to go to a big market like NY/LA. He's deliberately tanking his value but I think the upside is still there and his best days are ahead of him. I can see the Knicks pulling the trigger in the summer if they have a disappointing post-season run.

2025 summer:

NY Receives: Zion
Toronto Receives: OG
Pels Receive: Quickley + Boucher (S&T) + Future NYK Pick

[Morris_Shatford]

we went from having threads about if Boucher would be in NBA if not for raptors from a month ago to having proposals getting 1sts back for him

the reality is somewhere in between, in a vacuum his value is probably 2 ok seconds.

Agreed.
Even if we took on a player for less money who had a year remaining,
If you can move Boucher for an additional year of salary and a pair of seconds you have done okay.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

According to WT Zion wants to go to a big market like NY/LA. He's deliberately tanking his value but I think the upside is still there and his best days are ahead of him. I can see the Knicks pulling the trigger in the summer if they have a disappointing post-season run.

2025 summer:

NY Receives: Zion
Toronto Receives: OG
Pels Receive: Quickley + Boucher (S&T) + Future NYK Pick

No to OG. Love him as a player but hes overpaid for what he brings.
Also this is exactly why I don’t want lakers picks. Players always want to play in LA. You’re betting against the house when you have their picks