Butler - Beal - LaVine - Is it possible? Updated Brogdon to Heat

[BBallFreak]

If you go the Allen + Vincent route (Keep Rui & Christie) and lose the Blazers 1st, I'd be willing to return the Heat 1st owed Charlotte for Christie + Jovic. That gives the Heat all 4 Heat 1sts available to attach to Rui + Robinson + Rozier expirings coming off a playoff run with Brogdon backed by Terry. That easily puts the Heat in position to add your starting PG of choice.

Best available now given your situation and resources is Brogdon.

No, man. I don't accept that.

I'd love to see you or someone else beat this deal as is in the OP.

The size of Butler's contract narrows the starting point of target teams down to a lone few. So the options for players available are limited, severely. Miami is not in a good spot here to just reshape the roster in one deadline for a championship run, and Heat fans are in denial about this.

This remains a playoff team after this deal.

My lord, you're certainly up on your feels today.

I'm not criticizing the value, I'm trying to tweak it so that the pieces fit. Can you please tell me why that's so offensive to you?

[MasterIchiro]

No, man. I don't accept that.

I'd love to see you or someone else beat this deal as is in the OP.

The size of Butler's contract narrows the starting point of target teams down to a lone few. So the options for players available are limited, severely. Miami is not in a good spot here to just reshape the roster in one deadline for a championship run, and Heat fans are in denial about this.

This remains a playoff team after this deal.

My lord, you're certainly up on your feels today.

I'm not criticizing the value, I'm trying to tweak it so that the pieces fit. Can you please tell me why that's so offensive to you?

I've tweaked it to the max and believe the bid is competitive. I'm trying to be fair to all teams. The options are not endless.

If you find this permutation unacceptable, that means nothing to me personally, so no offense taken. None of us sees a perfect deal, myself included, which is why I found an available vet PG who could run offense alongside Herro. I obviously really like Christie and Jovic because I've offered a 1st to the Heat that could be unprotected 2028. The longer this drags out with Butler, the more Heat risk losing games. Bam was out with back soreness. There is some tension there.

If the Heat don't act on Butler they risk missing the playoffs and losing unprotected picks in 2026 and 2028. And here I am looking for a speedy resolution conscientious of the gravity of the situation. And you're barking more more more!

I'm bowing out but not because offense is taken, but because I believe I've helped Miami here to the best of my ability. If anything, I need to do more for the Bulls and Lakers here who have less motivation than the Suns, Heat, Riley and Butler.

[BBallFreak]

I'd love to see you or someone else beat this deal as is in the OP.

The size of Butler's contract narrows the starting point of target teams down to a lone few. So the options for players available are limited, severely. Miami is not in a good spot here to just reshape the roster in one deadline for a championship run, and Heat fans are in denial about this.

This remains a playoff team after this deal.

My lord, you're certainly up on your feels today.

I'm not criticizing the value, I'm trying to tweak it so that the pieces fit. Can you please tell me why that's so offensive to you?

I've tweaked it to the max and believe the bid is competitive. I'm trying to be fair to all teams. The options are not endless.

If you find this permutation unacceptable, that means nothing to me personally, so no offense taken. None of us sees a perfect deal, myself included, which is why I found an available vet PG who could run offense alongside Herro. I obviously really like Christie and Jovic because I've offered a 1st to the Heat that could be unprotected 2028. The longer this drags out with Butler, the more Heat risk losing games. Bam was out with back soreness. There is some tension there.

If the Heat don't act on Butler they risk missing the playoffs and losing unprotected picks in 2026 and 2028. And here I am looking for a speedy resolution conscientious of the gravity of the situation. And you're barking more more more!

I'm bowing out but not because offense is taken, but because I believe I've helped Miami here to the best of my ability. If anything, I need to do more for the Bulls and Lakers here who have less motivation than the Suns, Heat, Riley and Butler.

Buddy, this isn't that difficult. If I have a trade that turns one of the pieces you sent to us into crappy players on shorter deals that fit our timeline and a first, why does that bother you?

If I tell you that you've crowded our rotation by giving us two wings when we don't really need any and two power forwards when we need one, so I'm looking to expand the trade to get us a point guard, why would that be a concern to you? If I tell you I'm willing to add in assets , including a distant first, the first I acquired above, and some of the pieces we don't need, why does that seem to get your goad?

Why would taking your deal and expanding to fit our needs be anything remotely wrong?

[penbeast0]

Would the Wizards be willing to trade Malcom Brogdon for G. Allen plus Gabe Vincent plus Blazers 1st?

Heat get 8.4 million cap savings plus tax.

Pg: Brogdon / Rozier / Burks
Sg: Herro / Christie / Robinson
Sf: Jacquez / Highsmith / Robinson
Pf: Dunn / Rui / Jovic
C: Bam / Jovic / Ware

Yes. We wouldn't be thrilled about the extra years but Allen is a solid pro and the 1st compensates for Vincent. Beggars/Choosers and all that. Then we are the one trying to move Allen but the Wiz don't need to do it this year.

[BBallFreak]

Would the Wizards be willing to trade Malcom Brogdon for G. Allen plus Gabe Vincent plus Blazers 1st?

Heat get 8.4 million cap savings plus tax.

Pg: Brogdon / Rozier / Burks
Sg: Herro / Christie / Robinson
Sf: Jacquez / Highsmith / Robinson
Pf: Dunn / Rui / Jovic
C: Bam / Jovic / Ware

Yes. We wouldn't be thrilled about the extra years but Allen is a solid pro and the 1st compensates for Vincent. Beggars/Choosers and all that. Then we are the one trying to move Allen but the Wiz don't need to do it this year.

We wouldn't give you a first to trade Grayson Allen into Malcolm Brogdon. Sorry, I don't see it.

I would think we'd be able to do better.

[penbeast0]

For the Wiz, Allen is roughly neutral, Brogdon is a slight positive as we might get something for him still. That positive plus Vincent's negative value to the Wiz is why there is a 1st involved.

[BBallFreak]

For the Wiz, Allen is roughly neutral, Brogdon is a slight positive as we might get something for him still. That positive plus Vincent's negative value to the Wiz is why there is a 1st involved.

We're not motivated to pay to get rid of Vincent. His contract wouldn't be an issue for us. And if Grayson Allen is neutral to you and positive to others, we'd trade him elsewhere, gladly.

[VaDe255]

Why so complicated?
Just send Butler + Terry to the Bulls for LaVine + Ball, that trade works saves a ton of money, lets the Heat get under the tax cap next year and they still can compete (yes, there is one last year of Lavine in 26, but thats not a big deal, it's an expiring that can be moved).

Bulls get off the LaVine contract and might flip Jimmy or S&T send him next offseason.

[MasterIchiro]

Why so complicated?
Just send Butler + Terry to the Bulls for LaVine + Ball, that trade works saves a ton of money, lets the Heat get under the tax cap next year and they still can compete (yes, there is one last year of Lavine in 26, but thats not a big deal, it's an expiring that can be moved).

Bulls get off the LaVine contract and might flip Jimmy or S&T send him next offseason.

Jimmy is complicating this if the Bulls don't want to extend him. They're paying a rental price.

The Suns are the only team willing to extend him, that we know of.

But yeah, easiest thing to do is cut out the Suns and send Jimmy to Chicago without an extension in place.

[BBallFreak]

You're update is enough for me. I wouldn't touch this as Miami

[jayjaysee]

Why so complicated?
Just send Butler + Terry to the Bulls for LaVine + Ball, that trade works saves a ton of money, lets the Heat get under the tax cap next year and they still can compete (yes, there is one last year of Lavine in 26, but thats not a big deal, it's an expiring that can be moved).

Bulls get off the LaVine contract and might flip Jimmy or S&T send him next offseason.

I think there could be a deal there if Jimmy only wanted like 2yr100-106 mil added on his deal. And you dump LaVine for two year salary (no idea about the Ball/Terry swap)

I do think the Butler story ends up with him agreeing to an extension at that range with a player option on the last year. Some team based incentive can be thrown in, would avoid player based ones here…

[Dez]

No way in hell, that Suns 1st is not enough to take on Beal.

Quite happy to keep LaVine who is playing at an All-Star level than take Beal who is horrific and a single Suns pick.

LaVine is seriously underrated, people just go with "hur dur contract" without actually watching him this season.

[Texas Chuck]

No way in hell, that Suns 1st is not enough to take on Beal.

Quite happy to keep LaVine who is playing at an All-Star level than take Beal who is horrific and a single Suns pick.

LaVine is seriously underrated, people just go with "hur dur contract" without actually watching him this season.

OR people don't just go hur dur look at this one season give me all the assets, but look at a guy who for his career has provided his teams no lift. His teams have historically been better when he's on the bench than on the court. For a guy making his money, that's a major issue. Something I know you understand because you see that issue clearly with Beal.

Track records matter. His is terrible. We know the Bulls have shopped him around the league for years now hard and had zero teams willing to give them any value at all. Or even just relieve them of the contract. I do think he's done enough the Bulls could probably get off most of the money. But he's not some super valuable piece just because he's a Bull.

[JMAC3]

The OP offer is very confusing trying to figure out where all the pieces go and who traded what for what.