Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[cedric76]

Cole is probably the better defender, but not by much. Sexton has the tools to be every bit as good on defense. He just needs a good coach and supporting cast.

Sexton is a much better offensive player, its not close. He is far from perfect and unlikely to make this team a contender, but Sexton is a big upgrade and one that i think might be worth the price. I dont think he'll have an issue with coming off the bench, and i dont think its his fault he has been on losing teams.

Also would be nice if we can get Eubanks too given Isaac and WCJ's injury history.

I m not a huge sexton fan BUT Cole a better defender than sexton is the funniest thing I read today

[Residual-Heat]

Cole is probably the better defender, but not by much. Sexton has the tools to be every bit as good on defense. He just needs a good coach and supporting cast.

Sexton is a much better offensive player, its not close. He is far from perfect and unlikely to make this team a contender, but Sexton is a big upgrade and one that i think might be worth the price. I dont think he'll have an issue with coming off the bench, and i dont think its his fault he has been on losing teams.

Also would be nice if we can get Eubanks too given Isaac and WCJ's injury history.

I m not a huge sexton fan BUT Cole a better defender than sexton is the funniest thing I read today

They're both trash, but yeah I do think Cole is slightly better this season IMO.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Cole is probably the better defender, but not by much. Sexton has the tools to be every bit as good on defense. He just needs a good coach and supporting cast.

Sexton is a much better offensive player, its not close. He is far from perfect and unlikely to make this team a contender, but Sexton is a big upgrade and one that i think might be worth the price. I dont think he'll have an issue with coming off the bench, and i dont think its his fault he has been on losing teams.

Also would be nice if we can get Eubanks too given Isaac and WCJ's injury history.

I m not a huge sexton fan BUT Cole a better defender than sexton is the funniest thing I read today

I’m not sure what’s so funny. This isn’t a subjective take.

Sexton has been one of the worst if not dead last in D-LEBRON his entire tenure in the league.

Cole is actually considered a positive/neutral defender this year according to Bball index and not nearly as bad as Sexton career wise defensively.

A lot of people confuse intensity with good defense, but they’re not the same.

Sexton has the tools to be a better defender, but hasn’t shown a glimpse of that in the 7 years he’s been in the league.

[BadMofoPimp]

Cole needs to continue to provem all wrong.

[The-Stallion70]

I do not want Sexton, he's not really a smart team player. There are nuances to the game that he doesn't understand. Don't fall for his stats.

This is a big reason why his contract extension was a **** and nobody really wanted to pay it.

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/cavs-veterans-unimpressed-with-collin-sexton/#:~:text=The%20line%20on%20Sexton%20is%20that%20he,set%20up%20teammates%20as%20a%20point%20guard.

Didn't take teammates long to say he doesn't really know how to play.

Cole is a team player he just knows his style is as a scorer.

I don't claim to know the current reality or the guy...but that article is 6 years old, so Sexton was 20yo. His stats are far different now and much more efficient. Lauri kind of sucked on THAT team too...then exploded when he got moved.

It's especially ironic when compared to the immense patience many here have with our own young guys - giving them multiple "real rookie years" and projecting all kinds of visions that we're not seeing signs of.

3.9 ast per game from a starting point guard playing 28 mpg with 26% usage is pretty bad and peaks to the kind of player he is.

This guy is a scoring guard and shot maker but he disrupts the flow of an offense and quarrels with teammates.

He has played alongside Lauri who is a even-keel star and probably could deal with it but Paolo is pretty emotional and a bigger talent quite frankly. I wouldn't do it. Paolo is the lead guy on this team and Sexton's ego has always been bigger than his talent, I don't think Paolo will want to put up with the mini Westbrook.

https://nypost.com/2021/05/04/cavaliers-collin-sexton-having-issues-with-teammates/

Sexton is fool's gold, a guy who gets his before everyone else's, that's BIG NO when we have legitimate talent on the team.

Maybe if we still had Vucevic and were fighting to make the playoffs and needed a push but I wouldn't disrupt the chemistry on this team for Sexton of all players.

[three3d]

Cole is probably the better defender, but not by much. Sexton has the tools to be every bit as good on defense. He just needs a good coach and supporting cast.

Sexton is a much better offensive player, its not close. He is far from perfect and unlikely to make this team a contender, but Sexton is a big upgrade and one that i think might be worth the price. I dont think he'll have an issue with coming off the bench, and i dont think its his fault he has been on losing teams.

Also would be nice if we can get Eubanks too given Isaac and WCJ's injury history.

I m not a huge sexton fan BUT Cole a better defender than sexton is the funniest thing I read today

They're both trash, but yeah I do think Cole is slightly better this season IMO.

I don’t think it’s really a fair comparison to compare other players defensive ability ( or willingness to play it ) when not one of those players have the defensive dogs along side them like the Magic do. There’s a reason we’re the #2 defense in the league as a team not individually, it’s the coaching and players belief in what they are doing and being coached to do.

It’s a team effort, when we are getting those 5 second violations on inbounds plays it’s the team working together. Guys like Simons, Sexton and whoever else you want to throw in there aren’t knuckleheads or selfish players. There going to do what they are asked to do. We know what they will be asked to do in Orlando, we don’t know what their current team expects out of them or the effort they’re okay with.

[Residual-Heat]

Cole is probably the better defender, but not by much. Sexton has the tools to be every bit as good on defense. He just needs a good coach and supporting cast.

Sexton is a much better offensive player, its not close. He is far from perfect and unlikely to make this team a contender, but Sexton is a big upgrade and one that i think might be worth the price. I dont think he'll have an issue with coming off the bench, and i dont think its his fault he has been on losing teams.

Also would be nice if we can get Eubanks too given Isaac and WCJ's injury history.

I m not a huge sexton fan BUT Cole a better defender than sexton is the funniest thing I read today

I’m not sure what’s so funny. This isn’t a subjective take.

Sexton has been one of the worst if not dead last in D-LEBRON his entire tenure in the league.

Cole is actually considered a positive/neutral defender this year according to Bball index and not nearly as bad as Sexton career wise defensively.

A lot of people confuse intensity with good defense, but they’re not the same.

Sexton has the tools to be a better defender, but hasn’t shown a glimpse of that in the 7 years he’s been in the league.

Agreed, but TBF Cole comes off the bench, plays for a better defensive team and a coach that is not afraid to take him out the game when he's getting destroyed on defense. So that helps his defensive stats. So the gap in defensive ability is probably not as big as the stats would suggest IMO.

Good to see Cole's stats suggest that he has improved his defense this year. The eye test confirms it imo. I would still trade for Sexton though. I've wanted him since last year's trade deadline.

[BadMofoPimp]

Now is the time to bring Vooch back for 20mpg. Let him have an impact off the bench scoring. Only a second rounder or two.

[RichCollab]

Cole is probably the better defender, but not by much. Sexton has the tools to be every bit as good on defense. He just needs a good coach and supporting cast.

Sexton is a much better offensive player, its not close. He is far from perfect and unlikely to make this team a contender, but Sexton is a big upgrade and one that i think might be worth the price. I dont think he'll have an issue with coming off the bench, and i dont think its his fault he has been on losing teams.

Also would be nice if we can get Eubanks too given Isaac and WCJ's injury history.

I m not a huge sexton fan BUT Cole a better defender than sexton is the funniest thing I read today

Do you watch actual games? It’s something Cole has improved on and puts effort towards now.

[Butter]

Blazers fan, I come in peace

Comparing Sexton and Simons side by side, Sexton only shows a clear advantage in one critical category, his salary.
Sexton clocks in at just under $18M per year while Simons comes in at $25M.

The other critical question is availability. Based on surface analysis, Sexton probably has better value, is he available?

Simons started the year in a bit of a funk, but has flipped a switch lately back near, or above his career averages. Over the recent string of games he's averaging:

Mins/game: 35.5
Fg / % 9.5-19.0 50.0
3pt / %5.2-10.7 48.4
FT / %×1.5-1.5 100.0
Rbs 3.2
Assists. 5.7
TO. 2.5
Pts/ game. 25.7

[Magicman125]

Blazers fan, I come in peace

Comparing Sexton and Simons side by side, Sexton only shows a clear advantage in one critical category, his salary.
Sexton clocks in at just under $18M per year while Simons comes in at $25M.

The other critical question is availability. Based on surface analysis, Sexton probably has better value, is he available?

Simons started the year in a bit of a funk, but has flipped a switch lately back near, or above his career averages. Over the recent string of games he's averaging:

Mins/game: 35.5
Fg / % 9.5-19.0 50.0
3pt / %5.2-10.7 48.4
FT / %×1.5-1.5 100.0
Rbs 3.2
Assists. 5.7
TO. 2.5
Pts/ game. 25.7

How many games make up this recent string? I do think the price of Sexton is better value than what Simons has been doing this season and would worry about what kind of contract Simons wants when he hits FA. I see either as reasonable Cole upgrades in a vacuum but I don't know if the increase in money spent is worth the increase in production for either with the upcoming Paolo extension to worry about needing to be considered.

[Ducklett]

Blazers fan, I come in peace

Comparing Sexton and Simons side by side, Sexton only shows a clear advantage in one critical category, his salary.
Sexton clocks in at just under $18M per year while Simons comes in at $25M.

The other critical question is availability. Based on surface analysis, Sexton probably has better value, is he available?

Simons started the year in a bit of a funk, but has flipped a switch lately back near, or above his career averages. Over the recent string of games he's averaging:

Mins/game: 35.5
Fg / % 9.5-19.0 50.0
3pt / %5.2-10.7 48.4
FT / %×1.5-1.5 100.0
Rbs 3.2
Assists. 5.7
TO. 2.5
Pts/ game. 25.7

Now that we have a larger sample size of this year, I would rather have Simons over Sexton, but either way the price has to be nice.

[Butter]

Blazers fan, I come in peace

Comparing Sexton and Simons side by side, Sexton only shows a clear advantage in one critical category, his salary.
Sexton clocks in at just under $18M per year while Simons comes in at $25M.

The other critical question is availability. Based on surface analysis, Sexton probably has better value, is he available?

Simons started the year in a bit of a funk, but has flipped a switch lately back near, or above his career averages. Over the recent string of games he's averaging:

Mins/game: 35.5
Fg / % 9.5-19.0 50.0
3pt / %5.2-10.7 48.4
FT / %×1.5-1.5 100.0
Rbs 3.2
Assists. 5.7
TO. 2.5
Pts/ game. 25.7

How many games make up this recent string? I do think the price of Sexton is better value than what Simons has been doing this season and would worry about what kind of contract Simons wants when he hits FA. I see either as reasonable Cole upgrades in a vacuum but I don't know if the increase in money spent is worth the increase in production for either with the upcoming Paolo extension to worry about needing to be considered.

Those stats are the last 5 games, but Simons has really overcome his slow start since Nov.

27 Nov against the Pacers, Simons has 30 pts, 6/12 from 3

[RookieStar]

Now is the time to bring Vooch back for 20mpg. Let him have an impact off the bench scoring. Only a second rounder or two.

What do you know... we seem to have some extra SRPs and we dont really use ours. PERFECT

[The-Stallion70]

Anyone care to look at the stats?

Cole drtg: 107.8

NBA average drtg: 114.2

The lower the drtg the better

https://www.lastnightinbasketball.com/p/adjusted-efficiency

I wonder what else someone blindly argues on here.

[SOUL]

O and DRTG are largely a team influenced stat. Walker Kessler has a higher O rating than Paolo and has a 114 DRTG, way worse than Cole. Moe Wagner had a low DRTG as well and we know his defense.

That being said, the eye test shows Cole fighting hard on defense and holding his own in a lot of matchups. He will always be a mismatch because of his size, but he doesn't make it easy even if they do end up scoring.

[Skybox]

Anyone care to look at the stats?

Cole drtg: 107.8

NBA average drtg: 114.2

The lower the drtg the better

https://www.lastnightinbasketball.com/p/adjusted-efficiency

I wonder what else someone blindly argues on here.

You don't think the TEAM matters - like A LOT? Especially this team like no other team before - All defense All the time

the last page or so might be the worst stretch of homerism foolishness on the ORL boards I've seen

(and that's a pretty high bar to exceed) Reminds me of when I heard that Fultz' superpower was "deferring" and that was exactly what the FO and Coach wanted from him.

Touting Cole's defense? His efficiency? What's next...is he a quarter inch taller than Sexton-but ORL FO is keeping it secret like drafting Paolo? and Sexton is hated by teammates, Cole is a team player - but his role is to be selfish, which he accepts?

For the record, Fultz was in worse shape when we signed him than when we let him walk away. He WAS a good "why not?" bet considering who he could have been and, especially, where ORL was at (nowhere). Where it got stupid was the extension/pay raises (based on little glimmers).

[Skybox]

Cole is also part of our soul.

I guess this is what we resort to when "It's really kind of his rookie year" and "organic development" finally times out.

[The-Stallion70]

O and DRTG are largely a team influenced stat. Walker Kessler has a higher O rating than Paolo and has a 114 DRTG, way worse than Cole. Moe Wagner had a low DRTG as well and we know his defense.

That being said, the eye test shows Cole fighting hard on defense and holding his own in a lot of matchups. He will always be a mismatch because of his size, but he doesn't make it easy even if they do end up scoring.

I am not making a proclamation about individual defense or team defense as you are implying but nice try. I am simply making the numbers known.

But since you have enlightened us all abd let us know that DRTG is a team stat, do you care to educate Skybox abd inform him that drtg in fact DOES refer to team defensive performance?

Mo Wagner is not really that bad of a defender abd if you really believe that he is then ask yourself how the team manages to still be one of the best defensive teams in the league playing with him as a big.

[Skybox]

O and DRTG are largely a team influenced stat. Walker Kessler has a higher O rating than Paolo and has a 114 DRTG, way worse than Cole. Moe Wagner had a low DRTG as well and we know his defense.

That being said, the eye test shows Cole fighting hard on defense and holding his own in a lot of matchups. He will always be a mismatch because of his size, but he doesn't make it easy even if they do end up scoring.

I am not making a proclamation about individual defense or team defense as you are implying but nice try. I am simply making the numbers known.

But since you have enlightened us all abd let us know that DRTG is a team stat, do you care to educate Skybox abd inform him that drtg in fact DOES refer to team defensive performance?

Mo Wagner is not really that bad of a defender abd if you really believe that he is then ask yourself how the team manages to still be one of the best defensive teams in the league playing with him as a big.

No need...it's obvious that the point is Cole's rating is dragged upward and Sexton's downward by their respective teams' defensive play...as others have said.