The Brock Purdy Thread

[CrimsonCrew]

Every team deals with injuries man. Take the Lions for instance. They lost way more dudes than even we did, yet they have the top seed in the NFC.

They did. On defense. And their defense hasn't been very good down the stretch (except against Darnold). On offense, they've been mostly healthy except Montgomery, and he's their 1B, more easily replaceable, RB.

Look, I'm worried about Purdy's performance this year. But losing your top two playmakers unexpectedly is going to impact any team. Losing your elite LT is going to make it worse. Our offense was good enough to make the playoffs, even with some late-game collapses on that side of the ball. The defense - which was healthy relative to the offense (they should never have expected significant contributions from Greenlaw this year) - was awful.

It's asking a lot of a QB to elevate the worst STs unit in the league, the worst 4th quarter D in the league, and an offense lacking his two most explosive playmakers. The negative conclusions any of us draw about Purdy should only go so far based on this season. But you'll see what you want to.

Tom Brady played 23 years in the league and never once missed the playoffs. That alone tells you how much influence a QB has over his teams record.

Brady was a pretty special guy. Probably not a fair comparison point for really any other QB. But since you bring him up, he never played on a team that had a scoring defense worse than 17th. In nine years he played opposite a top-5 unit, and another nine years he played with a top-10 unit. The Niners were 29th in scoring defense this year.

[arich35]

Every team deals with injuries man. Take the Lions for instance. They lost way more dudes than even we did, yet they have the top seed in the NFC.

They did. On defense. And their defense hasn't been very good down the stretch (except against Darnold). On offense, they've been mostly healthy except Montgomery, and he's their 1B, more easily replaceable, RB.

Look, I'm worried about Purdy's performance this year. But losing your top two playmakers unexpectedly is going to impact any team. Losing your elite LT is going to make it worse. Our offense was good enough to make the playoffs, even with some late-game collapses on that side of the ball. The defense - which was healthy relative to the offense (they should never have expected significant contributions from Greenlaw this year) - was awful.

It's asking a lot of a QB to elevate the worst STs unit in the league, the worst 4th quarter D in the league, and an offense lacking his two most explosive playmakers. The negative conclusions any of us draw about Purdy should only go so far based on this season. But you'll see what you want to.

Tom Brady played 23 years in the league and never once missed the playoffs. That alone tells you how much influence a QB has over his teams record.

Thought you didn't want to compare him to Brady

[arich35]

They did. On defense. And their defense hasn't been very good down the stretch (except against Darnold). On offense, they've been mostly healthy except Montgomery, and he's their 1B, more easily replaceable, RB.

Look, I'm worried about Purdy's performance this year. But losing your top two playmakers unexpectedly is going to impact any team. Losing your elite LT is going to make it worse. Our offense was good enough to make the playoffs, even with some late-game collapses on that side of the ball. The defense - which was healthy relative to the offense (they should never have expected significant contributions from Greenlaw this year) - was awful.

It's asking a lot of a QB to elevate the worst STs unit in the league, the worst 4th quarter D in the league, and an offense lacking his two most explosive playmakers. The negative conclusions any of us draw about Purdy should only go so far based on this season. But you'll see what you want to.

Tom Brady played 23 years in the league and never once missed the playoffs. That alone tells you how much influence a QB has over his teams record.

Yet, you completely devalue Purdy's contributions before this season.

Exactly, before it is he is playing with the avengers and now it is the QB has a lot of influence on the teams record, well except when it is Purdy and we get the #1 seed in his 2nd year in the league. Maybe Aiyuk, Kittle, Deebo elevated their games because of Purdy. Aiyuk was not putting up the same stats or looked nearly as good before Purdy. The last three years Kittle had 25 TDs, previous five years he had 20.

[Samurai]

Tom Brady played 23 years in the league and never once missed the playoffs. That alone tells you how much influence a QB has over his teams record.

Seriously?? Can you name one sane poster who is seriously arguing that Purdy is in the same tier as Brady? Or is that just you moving the goal posts to a different continent....again.

Okay, well every time I bring up other QB's to compare him to people flip out and act offended. At this point he's probably on the same tier as Kirk Cousins.

So in your posts you have compared Purdy to Mahomes, Brady, and ....Kirk Cousins. Got it. I don't expect you to comprehend this, but other football fans would say that one of these things is not like the others....

[Big J]

Tom Brady played 23 years in the league and never once missed the playoffs. That alone tells you how much influence a QB has over his teams record.

Yet, you completely devalue Purdy's contributions before this season.

Exactly, before it is he is playing with the avengers and now it is the QB has a lot of influence on the teams record, well except when it is Purdy and we get the #1 seed in his 2nd year in the league. Maybe Aiyuk, Kittle, Deebo elevated their games because of Purdy. Aiyuk was not putting up the same stats or looked nearly as good before Purdy. The last three years Kittle had 25 TDs, previous five years he had 20.

The reason Purdy has less influence on the teams record when they won is because we saw this team go on multiple playoff runs and come within 1 play of winning a SB with Jimmy. That kind of devalued it.

[arich35]

Yet, you completely devalue Purdy's contributions before this season.

Exactly, before it is he is playing with the avengers and now it is the QB has a lot of influence on the teams record, well except when it is Purdy and we get the #1 seed in his 2nd year in the league. Maybe Aiyuk, Kittle, Deebo elevated their games because of Purdy. Aiyuk was not putting up the same stats or looked nearly as good before Purdy. The last three years Kittle had 25 TDs, previous five years he had 20.

The reason Purdy has less influence on the teams record when they won is because we saw this team go on multiple playoff runs and come within 1 play of winning a SB with Jimmy. That kind of devalued it.

Different teams and different way they won. We had dominant defenses with Jimmy and ran the ball a ton, people have pointed this out to you a handful of times but you just ignore it

You just refuse to acknowledge any facts that prove Purdy is a top 10 QB because of his draft position and he doesn't look the part physically

[arich35]

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[Pattersonca65]

Exactly, before it is he is playing with the avengers and now it is the QB has a lot of influence on the teams record, well except when it is Purdy and we get the #1 seed in his 2nd year in the league. Maybe Aiyuk, Kittle, Deebo elevated their games because of Purdy. Aiyuk was not putting up the same stats or looked nearly as good before Purdy. The last three years Kittle had 25 TDs, previous five years he had 20.

The reason Purdy has less influence on the teams record when they won is because we saw this team go on multiple playoff runs and come within 1 play of winning a SB with Jimmy. That kind of devalued it.

Different teams and different way they won. We had dominant defenses with Jimmy and ran the ball a ton, people have pointed this out to you a handful of times but you just ignore it

You just refuse to acknowledge any facts that prove Purdy is a top 10 QB because of his draft position and he doesn't look the part physically

You are talking to a triggered person. Before the season started he was complaining about the favorable press coverage Purdy was getting from the press. This is supposedly from a team he is supposed to be a fan of. He then brings up his appearance and minivans. He is going to continue to spout the same nonsense over and over again no matter how often it is debunked.

[zman1]

A new stat review shows Purdy as top 7 this year:

https://www.ninersnation.com/2025/1/16/24345323/49ers-qb-plus-brock-purdy-matthew-stafford-jared-goff

"Stats like third down conversion rate and how you deal with pressure are critical for success. Purdy, ranking highly in both areas, projects well and is another reason he’ll be paid handsomely this offseason.

It’d be troubling to see Purdy’s yards per attempt drop under pressure. That would suggest he’s either not trusting what he’s seeing or his eyes are dropping due to pressure, leading to check-downs. But that’s not who Brock is. If anything, he goes in the opposite direction, looking to heave a deep pass as a defender has a free run at Purdy. It’s a strong quality to have for a quarterback.

Purdy kept numerous plays alive during the year. Mobility is a must at quarterback, and the 49ers starter finished seventh in the NFL in scrambles and ran for the sixth-most first downs. Your offense is in good hands when your quarterback creates nearly two possessions per game with his legs.

It’s easy to forget that his 2024 season was without the best receiver on the team and one of the best in the NFL. When Purdy had Brandon Aiyuk, the results spoke for themselves."



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[Big J]

Too many niners fans have a strong emotional connection to him. They like him because the team found him in the draft, and he has the scrappy underdog narrative that plays well in movies. He says all the right things in interviews and says things that play well with fans. However if he was just some random free agent that we were competing against other teams to sign there would be a lot less enthusiasm about paying him top dollar. I always ask what would opposing fans most like us to do? Other teams are praying we sign him to a top deal, eat up our salary cap, and we have 3-5 more seasons of this year, where the roster around him is limited.

[Big J]

Feels like homer reporters & fans are looking for ways to justify the team paying him a big contract. Other teams typically don't look for ways to justify paying their guys, its either obvious or it's not.

[thesack12]

Too many niners fans have a strong emotional connection to him. They like him because the team found him in the draft, and he has the scrappy underdog narrative that plays well in movies. He says all the right things in interviews and says things that play well with fans. However if he was just some random free agent that we were competing against other teams to sign there would be a lot less enthusiasm about paying him top dollar. I always ask what would opposing fans most like us to do? Other teams are praying we sign him to a top deal, eat up our salary cap, and we have 3-5 more seasons of this year, where the roster around him is limited.

As per the usual, you have nothing but your own personal opinions.

Still waiting on actual, factual, tangible data that points to Purdy not being a good QB.

There is a plethora of easily accessible data out there that shows Purdy is a quality QB. Where is the data that shows otherwise?

[thesack12]

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So very strange how Purdy is always at or near the top of the analytics

[Harry Palmer]

Too many niners fans have a strong emotional connection to him. They like him because the team found him in the draft, and he has the scrappy underdog narrative that plays well in movies. He says all the right things in interviews and says things that play well with fans. However if he was just some random free agent that we were competing against other teams to sign there would be a lot less enthusiasm about paying him top dollar. I always ask what would opposing fans most like us to do? Other teams are praying we sign him to a top deal, eat up our salary cap, and we have 3-5 more seasons of this year, where the roster around him is limited.

A strong emotional connection, as evidenced by our inability to let any 9er or QB related discussions take place without brining Purdy into it? Demonstrated by a constant need to overlook objective data in favour of ad-hom comments about what ‘winners/real qb’s’ etc. do that shift so constantly to suit your narrative I’d be hard pressed to define what you think that really means excepting Mahomes?

Dude, everyone here is aware of a poster who had such a strong emotional connection with Purdy he’s on knee-jerk autopilot excepting games where Purdy is demonstrably playing great, at which point his comments are hard to interpret because he’s suddenly and consistently absent.

[Big J]

Here is an example of why you can't just look at data when giving out a QB contract. Sam Darnold just had a year where he went 14-3 and threw 35 TD's to 12 Int's on 66.2% completion percentage. On the surface that probably puts him in the top 5-10 of QBs. However, no one in their right mind is going to pay him like that. This is why I push back against data.

[thesack12]

Here is an example of why you can't just look at data when giving out a QB contract. Sam Darnold just had a year where he went 14-3 and threw 35 TD's to 12 Int's on 66.2% completion percentage. On the surface that probably puts him in the top 5-10 of QBs. However, no one in their right mind is going to pay him like that. This is why I push back against data.

Yeah, and all season you were quite willing to crown Darnold.... then week the super high stakes week 18 game, and the playoffs happened.

Also, you should consider not putting much stock into simple counting stats. There are so many inconsistencies involved with counting stats when comparing player A to player B. In other words, counting stats are compiled in a number of varying fashions. For instance. garbage time yardage and TD's count just the same in the box score as stats as high leverage crunch time situations. In addition, YAC counts just as much as air yards in terms of passing yardage accrual.

Also, basic common sense would tell you that more opportunities (pass attempts, etc) is going to lead to more yardage, TD pass opportunities, etc. System, opponents faced, difficulty of passes/plays, personnel, game flow, the reasons why counting stats are not a great metric go on and on.

By the way, pretty weak attempt by you to try and bypass the tangible data problem when it comes to your views on Purdy. You claim you don't buy the data, simply because there isn't any tangible data out there that backs up your claims. If you had data that painted Purdy in a negative light, you would be incessantly banging that drum.

[clyde21]

Vikings predicted to sign Pro Bowl QB, seek blockbuster trade package for J.J. McCarthy

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/minnesota-vikings/news/vikings-predicted-sign-pro-bowl-qb-seek-blockbuster-trade-package-jj-mccarthy/36a2f130e7f99bf0555dda21

[clyde21]

I'd offer our 11th, nothing more

[CrimsonCrew]

Would McCarthy be the sure-fire #1 pick this year?

[arich35]

I'd offer our 11th, nothing more

No way. Thought he was overrated last year coming out, and now after an injury think it would be even worse to do.