Thibs needs to go

[Enzo954]

Leon and Thibs are tight. You're all dreaming if you think he's going anywhere anytime soon.

[WentzerWuver]

Takes less time to do that than it does to type up some thoughtful response with stats, when someone already did that for me many times over the last 15 years. If something from 2010-2019 still applies to today it says more about the coach than anything else.

https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-dont-know-if-its-a-dumb-conversation-jalen-brunson-comments-tom-thibodeaus-extensive-minutes-rotation/

Derrick Rose: Don't blame Thibodeau

Nick Friedell, ESPN Staff Writer
Jan 23, 2015, 12:26 AM ET
https://www.espn.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/12215199/derrick-rose-gregg-popovich-defend-chicago-bulls-coach-tom-thibodeau

Respected by many. Fans who don't play the game will never understand and just mindlessly assume that any coach who can limit players' court time is better than Thibs Lol

https://athlonsports.com/nba/new-york-knicks-tom-thibodeau-success-defensive-mind-league-thoughts

[Clyde_Style]

Leon and Thibs are tight. You're all dreaming if you think he's going anywhere anytime soon.

Actually, it's not a dream. It just may have to wait until the off-season to happen.

Leon will do it if he feels we've plateaued at a much lower level than we should have been able to achieve.

If the team continues to stumble it may happen sooner.

At present, this is not about a few losses. It is about looking inept and the opposite of a contender. Being less than a contender can easily cost Thibs his job.

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

I'm going to bump my thread. Mods can turn it into the Piston's postgame thread if they want.

[Jeffrey]

Leon and Thibs are tight. You're all dreaming if you think he's going anywhere anytime soon.

Actually, it's not a dream. It just may have to wait until the off-season to happen.

Leon will do it if he feels we've plateaued at a much lower level than we should have been able to achieve.

If the team continues to stumble it may happen sooner.

At present, this is not about a few losses. It is about looking inept and the opposite of a contender. Being less than a contender can easily cost Thibs his job.

I hope that'snot the case. They should wait until the offseason.

[The KnicksFix]

Fire this man last season

[djsunyc]

brunson and kat combo is just not a great defensive pairing.

my guess is that if you replace thibs with any other coach, and those 2 players are still starting at pg and center, the defense will get worse. i think thibs is getting the most out of them on that side of the ball.

the team needs mitchell back and playing heavy minutes at center.

[Fat Kat]

brunson and kat combo is just not a great defensive pairing.

my guess is that if you replace thibs with any other coach, and those 2 players are still starting at pg and center, the defense will get worse. i think thibs is getting the most out of them on that side of the ball.

the team needs mitchell back and playing heavy minutes at center.

Mitch is no longer a heavy minutes player. Probably never was.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

brunson and kat combo is just not a great defensive pairing.

my guess is that if you replace thibs with any other coach, and those 2 players are still starting at pg and center, the defense will get worse. i think thibs is getting the most out of them on that side of the ball.

the team needs mitchell back and playing heavy minutes at center.

Disagree, the problem with Thibs defense is that it prioritizes sinking down to protect the paint at all costs. The newer coaches play percentage more than he does, so when Tobias Harris has a post up they aren't sending a double at him under any circumstance, they may stunt and recover but they aren't going to send a hard double like we have because he's in the 41st percentile for posting up. You live with the post up and him going at Brunson 1 v 1, maybe the help comes from the big, but it's not coming from the wing to leave a 44% three point shooter open. He's also playing KAT in a drop against pretty much every opponent, regardless of who the opponent is. You don't drop against SGA or Cade, it's beyond stupid because they can make shots 6-10 feet away, that's basically their shot diet. You switch and live with the results.

If your coach needs 1 specific player for his system/scheme to work, he's not a great coach. Look at all the iterations of teams Spo has been through and how the system changes, look at how good Ime had the Celtics looking and now how good the Rockets look with completely different scheme/system that takes into account the personnel on the team. Tom doesn't play anyone to their strengths, he has a system and he sticks with it, even if the system is looking outdated. You have all these wings and we don't switch, you could live with KAT switching more so than you can with him playing in drop, because we know he can guard some perimeter players after playing the 4.

[kNicksGmen]

Leon and Thibs are tight. You're all dreaming if you think he's going anywhere anytime soon.

yea the hope is if we crash and burn this season (1st round exit) - he is asked to retire honorably.

not sure how that would go though as far as him wanting to keep coaching. he won't want to give up the money either obviously.

dude is pushing 70

[WentzerWuver]

brunson and kat combo is just not a great defensive pairing.

my guess is that if you replace thibs with any other coach, and those 2 players are still starting at pg and center, the defense will get worse. i think thibs is getting the most out of them on that side of the ball.

the team needs mitchell back and playing heavy minutes at center.

Disagree, the problem with Thibs defense is that it prioritizes sinking down to protect the paint at all costs. The newer coaches play percentage more than he does, so when Tobias Harris has a post up they aren't sending a double at him under any circumstance, they may stunt and recover but they aren't going to send a hard double like we have because he's in the 41st percentile for posting up. You live with the post up and him going at Brunson 1 v 1, maybe the help comes from the big, but it's not coming from the wing to leave a 44% three point shooter open. He's also playing KAT in a drop against pretty much every opponent, regardless of who the opponent is. You don't drop against SGA or Cade, it's beyond stupid because they can make shots 6-10 feet away, that's basically their shot diet. You switch and live with the results.

If your coach needs 1 specific player for his system/scheme to work, he's not a great coach. Look at all the iterations of teams Spo has been through and how the system changes, look at how good Ime had the Celtics looking and now how good the Rockets look with completely different scheme/system that takes into account the personnel on the team. Tom doesn't play anyone to their strengths, he has a system and he sticks with it, even if the system is looking outdated. You have all these wings and we don't switch, you could live with KAT switching more so than you can with him playing in drop, because we know he can guard some perimeter players after playing the 4.

Agree with the post. Thib is stubborn, but the Knicks can do much worse.

[GettinitDone]

What blows my mind is: so far in THIS OBVIOUS MARATHON RACE the Thunder (only 1 player in top 50 in mpg, only 3 players in top 100), and the Cavs (NO player in top 50 in mpg, only 3 players in top 100) are running MARATHON, and we Knicks (3 players in top 7 in mpg, all starters in top 30 in mpg, all starters in L's top 10 in total minutes) are running HARD SPRINT, and THEY'RE STILL AHEAD OF US!!

Can you imagine running as hard as you could and 2 other guys do a light run and halfway the run, you're sweating bullets, barely catching your breath only to find out these 2 guys running light fresh taking it easy ARE STILL AHEAD OF YOU???

That's what's not acceptable to me, and it should not be to all of us Knicks fans.

[Adelheid]

Leon and Thibs are tight. You're all dreaming if you think he's going anywhere anytime soon.

yea the hope is if we crash and burn this season (1st round exit) - he is asked to retire honorably.

not sure how that would go though as far as him wanting to keep coaching. he won't want to give up the money either obviously.

dude is pushing 70

bloodless way is to promote him into FO or somewhere

[Clyde_Style]

Leon and Thibs are tight. You're all dreaming if you think he's going anywhere anytime soon.

yea the hope is if we crash and burn this season (1st round exit) - he is asked to retire honorably.

not sure how that would go though as far as him wanting to keep coaching. he won't want to give up the money either obviously.

dude is pushing 70

bloodless way is to promote him into FO or somewhere

Enroll him in a knitting class

[NoDopeOnSundays]

brunson and kat combo is just not a great defensive pairing.

my guess is that if you replace thibs with any other coach, and those 2 players are still starting at pg and center, the defense will get worse. i think thibs is getting the most out of them on that side of the ball.

the team needs mitchell back and playing heavy minutes at center.

Disagree, the problem with Thibs defense is that it prioritizes sinking down to protect the paint at all costs. The newer coaches play percentage more than he does, so when Tobias Harris has a post up they aren't sending a double at him under any circumstance, they may stunt and recover but they aren't going to send a hard double like we have because he's in the 41st percentile for posting up. You live with the post up and him going at Brunson 1 v 1, maybe the help comes from the big, but it's not coming from the wing to leave a 44% three point shooter open. He's also playing KAT in a drop against pretty much every opponent, regardless of who the opponent is. You don't drop against SGA or Cade, it's beyond stupid because they can make shots 6-10 feet away, that's basically their shot diet. You switch and live with the results.

If your coach needs 1 specific player for his system/scheme to work, he's not a great coach. Look at all the iterations of teams Spo has been through and how the system changes, look at how good Ime had the Celtics looking and now how good the Rockets look with completely different scheme/system that takes into account the personnel on the team. Tom doesn't play anyone to their strengths, he has a system and he sticks with it, even if the system is looking outdated. You have all these wings and we don't switch, you could live with KAT switching more so than you can with him playing in drop, because we know he can guard some perimeter players after playing the 4.

Agree with the post. Thib is stubborn, but the Knicks can do much worse.

You can't be afraid to change coaches because there's a chance someone is worse; that's the risk you run in anything you do. But if they were to go outside the CAA sphere there's a lot of respected young assistants in the league right now. The Kings are 7-1 since letting Brown go, they were 17th defensively with a 114.4 DRTG when he was fired, they've been 4th in the league with a 109.7 DRTG since Christie took over. Apparently one of the biggest complaints about Brown was that he was too rigid, the team would have practice as soon as they landed (according to KoC) and he would pull young players after 1 mistake.


The Kings are blitzing screens more under Christie and it's having a big impact.

[seren]

What Thibs is doing with the bench is historical. There has not been a team playing the bench less than 60 mpg since 2006 Kings. Closest were Thibs era Timberwolves with 67 mpg. He is doing it with players with injury histories who are also in their late 20s. I don’t know. It almost looks like he is revenging the FO for not extending him earlier or something. I am convinced he wants a devastating injury to happen. It is no joke at this point and for the health of the franchise we should just cut ties now.

[Nazrmohamed]

brunson and kat combo is just not a great defensive pairing.

my guess is that if you replace thibs with any other coach, and those 2 players are still starting at pg and center, the defense will get worse. i think thibs is getting the most out of them on that side of the ball.

the team needs mitchell back and playing heavy minutes at center.

Mitch is no longer a heavy minutes player. Probably never was.

Well 20min would be heavy minutes from the standpoint that's it's almost half the game. He played about 27 when starting. Youre still gonna be this 5 out team for the most part but you can give Towns rest or play big in some of those minutes. It'll definitely help

[WentzerWuver]

Disagree, the problem with Thibs defense is that it prioritizes sinking down to protect the paint at all costs. The newer coaches play percentage more than he does, so when Tobias Harris has a post up they aren't sending a double at him under any circumstance, they may stunt and recover but they aren't going to send a hard double like we have because he's in the 41st percentile for posting up. You live with the post up and him going at Brunson 1 v 1, maybe the help comes from the big, but it's not coming from the wing to leave a 44% three point shooter open. He's also playing KAT in a drop against pretty much every opponent, regardless of who the opponent is. You don't drop against SGA or Cade, it's beyond stupid because they can make shots 6-10 feet away, that's basically their shot diet. You switch and live with the results.

If your coach needs 1 specific player for his system/scheme to work, he's not a great coach. Look at all the iterations of teams Spo has been through and how the system changes, look at how good Ime had the Celtics looking and now how good the Rockets look with completely different scheme/system that takes into account the personnel on the team. Tom doesn't play anyone to their strengths, he has a system and he sticks with it, even if the system is looking outdated. You have all these wings and we don't switch, you could live with KAT switching more so than you can with him playing in drop, because we know he can guard some perimeter players after playing the 4.

Agree with the post. Thib is stubborn, but the Knicks can do much worse.

You can't be afraid to change coaches because there's a chance someone is worse; that's the risk you run in anything you do. But if they were to go outside the CAA sphere there's a lot of respected young assistants in the league right now. The Kings are 7-1 since letting Brown go, they were 17th defensively with a 114.4 DRTG when he was fired, they've been 4th in the league with a 109.7 DRTG since Christie took over. Apparently one of the biggest complaints about Brown was that he was too rigid, the team would have practice as soon as they landed (according to KoC) and he would pull young players after 1 mistake.


The Kings are blitzing screens more under Christie and it's having a big impact.

I watched the Kings Bucks game last night due to your comment and got owned for most of the game. I think it's has to due to the players disrespect towards Mike Brown than anything else which is not the problem here cause the players full respect towards Thibs unlike Fisher.

[HarthorneWingo]

I think the issues with the team have more to do with our lack of bench depth. That falls on stupid ass Leon.

[seren]

I think the issues with the team have more to do with our lack of bench depth. That falls on stupid ass Leon.

Okay but how do you explain Precious and McBride playing less than last year?
McBride was averaging 29 mpg last three months of the season after trades
Precious was averaging 27 mpg during the same time.

They both already proved very capable players. They had pretty decent playoffs when called upon as well.

Precious is averaging 14.5 mpg in January this year. While KAT is playing 40+ mpg on back to backs. Can’t excuse the lack of talent when you are not playing the proven talent that you have.