Brinbe wrote:Jak def making a play for that third spot. Consistency is hard to ignore and we just saw that the team wasn't nearly the same without him.
He's making a play for that 2nd spot in my opinion.
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Brinbe wrote:Jak def making a play for that third spot. Consistency is hard to ignore and we just saw that the team wasn't nearly the same without him.
Thaddy wrote:RoteSchroder wrote:S.W.A.N wrote:
No one else is thinking that. Harper is clearly the number 2 guy in this draft. Jak is in that next tier with Bailey.
Well the two guys who and1’d me could possibly have the same mindset, so they’d count for at least one other person.
Also this random guy in the youtube comments section:bro is going 1st or second do you see his court vision? thats Luka Doncic Jokic type sht
So that’s at least 1-3 ppl in the world who think the same, not “no one else”. I’ll bet you his mom would take him over Dylan too.
But we’ll see how they turn out in a few years anyhow.
Harper has better finishing ability and he's a true 3 lvl scorer. JK is going to face serious issues against length and rim protectors. He drives and kicks like Fred because he can't finish well in college. He goes to a standstill and gets crowded. He can grow but right now he's a DDV and his ceiling won't be especially high. I would project him as a bench piece.
Harper has 2 way potential due to his physical traits. He has a huge wingspan which matters for closing out, deflections, finishing, and other aspects of basketball.
RoteSchroder wrote:Thaddy wrote:RoteSchroder wrote:
Well the two guys who and1’d me could possibly have the same mindset, so they’d count for at least one other person.
Also this random guy in the youtube comments section:
So that’s at least 1-3 ppl in the world who think the same, not “no one else”. I’ll bet you his mom would take him over Dylan too.
But we’ll see how they turn out in a few years anyhow.
Harper has better finishing ability and he's a true 3 lvl scorer. JK is going to face serious issues against length and rim protectors. He drives and kicks like Fred because he can't finish well in college. He goes to a standstill and gets crowded. He can grow but right now he's a DDV and his ceiling won't be especially high. I would project him as a bench piece.
Harper has 2 way potential due to his physical traits. He has a huge wingspan which matters for closing out, deflections, finishing, and other aspects of basketball.
Kasp uses a lot of fakes and craftiness similar to Doncic
Harper is longer and slightly faster, but he doesn’t get that much lift in the paint either. He also needs to use some craftiness there.
They have the same efficiency within the 3 point line, Dylan with much higher volume. Kasp is a better shooter and more crafty passer. Dylan’s release is a bit low and forward in front of him, similar to his brother. He also doesn’t have a refined step back or as many moves in his repertoire
With the way the league is going, I’d prefer a better outside shooter with higher IQ and better court vision. If his offense is good enough, we make up for his defense through other means (see Brunson, to which I think Kasp has much better defensive potential)
On top of all that, Kasp seems to have a pretty big impact on wins, albeit Dylan has bad teammates
ATLTimekeeper wrote:Thaddy wrote:RoteSchroder wrote:
Well the two guys who and1’d me could possibly have the same mindset, so they’d count for at least one other person.
Also this random guy in the youtube comments section:
So that’s at least 1-3 ppl in the world who think the same, not “no one else”. I’ll bet you his mom would take him over Dylan too.
But we’ll see how they turn out in a few years anyhow.
Harper has better finishing ability and he's a true 3 lvl scorer. JK is going to face serious issues against length and rim protectors. He drives and kicks like Fred because he can't finish well in college. He goes to a standstill and gets crowded. He can grow but right now he's a DDV and his ceiling won't be especially high. I would project him as a bench piece.
Harper has 2 way potential due to his physical traits. He has a huge wingspan which matters for closing out, deflections, finishing, and other aspects of basketball.
Dude, even as a junior DDV wasn't as good in a limited role relative to 18 year old JakEither you didn't watch him play, or you just grabbed a white guy on the bench to make your point.
Jerry Lucas wrote:One thing that really stands out to me about Kasparas is how high both his 3PAr and FTr are (both currently sit at .507). I feel like this is something you just don't see often, the amount he's getting to the line despite how much of his shot diet consists of 3P attempts.
I remember when Brandon Miller stood out in a similar way to me during the 2023 draft cycle, but his FTr was .329 relative to his 3PAr of .535. For both rates to be as high as they are for Kasparas seems kinda crazy to me.
Psubs wrote:Jerry Lucas wrote:One thing that really stands out to me about Kasparas is how high both his 3PAr and FTr are (both currently sit at .507). I feel like this is something you just don't see often, the amount he's getting to the line despite how much of his shot diet consists of 3P attempts.
I remember when Brandon Miller stood out in a similar way to me during the 2023 draft cycle, but his FTr was .329 relative to his 3PAr of .535. For both rates to be as high as they are for Kasparas seems kinda crazy to me.
He's also pushing that offense to like 90-100ppg![]()
Oh, and he's still 18 until May 29.
Need to get a late 1st pick to draft Tomislav to pair with Jak.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Psubs wrote:Jerry Lucas wrote:One thing that really stands out to me about Kasparas is how high both his 3PAr and FTr are (both currently sit at .507). I feel like this is something you just don't see often, the amount he's getting to the line despite how much of his shot diet consists of 3P attempts.
I remember when Brandon Miller stood out in a similar way to me during the 2023 draft cycle, but his FTr was .329 relative to his 3PAr of .535. For both rates to be as high as they are for Kasparas seems kinda crazy to me.
He's also pushing that offense to like 90-100ppg![]()
Oh, and he's still 18 until May 29.
Need to get a late 1st pick to draft Tomislav to pair with Jak.
Jak is elite. No question about it, his impact is real. Masai has tools that love analytics and Jak is probably jumping out to them every day.
ForeverTFC wrote:It was either at the IQ/Scottie presser or media day presser. He said that we are building around Scottie and IQ, we think Scottie is special and we need another player like him to emerge - whether through the draft of internally.
I agree with you that some in the media and fanbase like to put RJ in there and I've gone on multiple rants about this. The FO has been transparent on who they consider as their core today.
Ell Curry wrote:ForeverTFC wrote:It was either at the IQ/Scottie presser or media day presser. He said that we are building around Scottie and IQ, we think Scottie is special and we need another player like him to emerge - whether through the draft of internally.
I agree with you that some in the media and fanbase like to put RJ in there and I've gone on multiple rants about this. The FO has been transparent on who they consider as their core today.
Yeah.
Quickley and Poeltl can both be efficient off-ball scorers (Quickley on 3s, Poeltl on floaters and rim stuff). When help is drawn and the ball is swung to RJ, he's just not a good shooter, and he's bad on D.
When the ball is swung/help comes against Scottie or the drafted star we are tanking for, we want it going to a high volume near 40% 3pt in Quickley, or the 4th highest FG% guy of all time in Poeltl.
They should be average on D for their spots. Poeltl is Poeltl and Quickley had good numbers for Thibs, but they will go down, also he's small, but most teams have one smaller PG, though it's worth noting that Boston and OKC don't. Houston and Cleveland do, but Cleveland has 2 mobile 7 foot defenders out there and Houston has VanVleet who is strong and tough enough that his height is less damaging than it should be. I think all this means is we won't draft a smaller/thinner PG like Fears, and if we do, then a Quickley trade and tank next year becomes plausible, but more likely you just compensate in the 2026 draft by drafting size (and ideally shooting) with those 2 firsts, like a Taylor Hendricks style big 3+D forward and a Derrick Lively type if they're in the draft.
RJ, I don't see how he gets to average at his spot. He's unathletic, low effort and has been really bad on D this year to my eye. That said, his size means he might actually not be much worse than Quickley, it's just way better to have normal NBA starting wing size like RJ than be PG sized out there.
We need more talent, but I would guess Poeltl and Quickley are seen as far complimentary - on both ends of the court - to Barnes and the lottery pick this year (and maybe a 2025 talent, eventually an RJ trade). We need a star from the draft and Scottie to truly become one. So, they're "core." Is this a real core or just a group of guys who will be moved to start the next tank? Depends on how well we draft.
If we make a move like RJ + Gradey/Walter + 3 firsts in the summer of 2026 for a star to join Barnes, the 2025 pick, Quickley and Poeltl in the starting 5 (with what should be a nice young, cheap, deep bench of both 2026 1sts, Agbaji, Walter/Dick, Shead, Mogbo, Battle, Chomche and this year's PDX 2nd) , then we'll know they believe in and are moving forward with this core.
What does that mean for this draft? Probably what we already know, that we're praying for Flagg or Harper. Maluach and Fears make less sense but if they're BPA, you go for it and adjust accordingly in 2026 with the draft and trade.
Psubs wrote:Jerry Lucas wrote:One thing that really stands out to me about Kasparas is how high both his 3PAr and FTr are (both currently sit at .507). I feel like this is something you just don't see often, the amount he's getting to the line despite how much of his shot diet consists of 3P attempts.
I remember when Brandon Miller stood out in a similar way to me during the 2023 draft cycle, but his FTr was .329 relative to his 3PAr of .535. For both rates to be as high as they are for Kasparas seems kinda crazy to me.
He's also pushing that offense to like 90-100ppg![]()
Oh, and he's still 18 until May 29.
Psubs wrote:
RJ's outside shot starts from so low. That's an adjustment that might help.
He really should be moved because of his defense. A future guard trio of Jak/Shead/Jakobe will be okay. Need a better wing.
I would move RJ, Ochai and a 2027 1st pick.
Any forwards that aren't already 30 and might be moved by their teams? Besides Zion and MPJr? I think it's only Cameron Johnson.
Cameron Johnson, De'Anthony Melton (out for year) and Bojan Bogdanovic (injured foot)
For
RJ Barrett, Ochai Agbaji, Bruce Brown and 2027 1st pick?