Gilbert Arenas has done an incredible job keeping himself relevant

[TerryTate]

I've seen RealGM homers with better takes with Agent Zero

[NoStatsGuy]

why do we love arenas but hate skip bayless? they do exactly the same thing. giving hilariously bad takes.

i think thats pretty funny

One of them, in their prime was an all-star and top 10 in MVP votes.

The other in his prime was a starter on his middle school team.

They’re not the same.

gilbert arenas is not relevant because of his nba career. hate to break it to you my guy

hes relevant because he has audacious takes that make people click his videos. just how skip became relevant

[Bornstellar]

For someone who has never led any 50+ win team, with only 3 All-Star/All-NBA selections. Dude has done a masterful job at keeping himself from being forgotten. I know scoring 60 against Kobe is no small cultural feat. But c’mon. Think about how often his name is brought up these days, compared to far superior players of his generation. Like Amare Stoudemire, Jermaine O’Neal, Shawn Marion, Peja Stojakovic, Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, etc. Even someone like John Wall (same franchise, more success, more talent, not as far removed from playing) isn’t nearly as revered and remembered.

Can Gil be seen as a revolutionary in the digital space? Is this the route that more players should take in order to stay remembered over time?

I’d put Gil ahead of all those players except Amare

Marion and Deron I can see. But Jermaine O'Neal, Joe Johnson, and Peja were superior players at their peak and had much better overall careers than Arenas and led their teams to more success. Heck I actually think Matrix is arguably better too

Arenas is one of the most overrated players in NBA history. He had a small window of being a good scorer but did nothing in the playoffs and never even won 50 games once with DC. He scored 60 points in game, big whoop.

[og15]

He has the same type of appeal as someone like DJ Khaled. There's a sizeable audience out there for a loud-mouthed, confident, try hard, goofball with maturity issues. People like how he speaks his mind and has a sense of humor. He's fun and jovial.

I've never listened to the podcast, but I've seen clips. Rashad McCants and Brandon Jennings trying to convince everyone they were good NBA players seems like a tiresome act but I bet people enjoy seeing them get mad?

This is actually one of the funniest parts of it all. We know in the grand scheme you guys are all very good basketball players, but Rashad especially talking like he was something in the NBA is quite wild.

At least Jennings lasted a decent time and injury was part of his downfall (Rashad too), but they really talk like they were more than the reality.

[uncleduck13]

For someone who has never led any 50+ win team, with only 3 All-Star/All-NBA selections. Dude has done a masterful job at keeping himself from being forgotten. I know scoring 60 against Kobe is no small cultural feat. But c’mon. Think about how often his name is brought up these days, compared to far superior players of his generation. Like Amare Stoudemire, Jermaine O’Neal, Shawn Marion, Peja Stojakovic, Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, etc. Even someone like John Wall (same franchise, more success, more talent, not as far removed from playing) isn’t nearly as revered and remembered.

Can Gil be seen as a revolutionary in the digital space? Is this the route that more players should take in order to stay remembered over time?

I’d put Gil ahead of all those players except Amare

Jermaine O’Neal was an MVP candidate at his peak. An automatic 20/10 with solid defense, who led 50+ win teams routinely.

Shawn Marion was another 20/10 guy with excellent defense and overall versatility. Could play multiple positions and provide value under any system. He was a much better overall player.

Peja Stojakovic elite shooting / efficiency, made him better, more valuable, more portable, etc . He wasn’t Kyle Korver. He could actually give you 20-25 a night. There’s a reason he came in top 5 MVP voting at his peak (while playing alongside Webber)

With Joe Johnson it’s a bit closer. He wasn’t as good a scorer…but a far better shooter, defender, and playmaker. Was bigger, more clutch, and simply more successful. Led a 53 win team (with less talent than Gil ever had), and quietly finished with 7 All-Star selections.

Deron Williams at his peak was in talks for best PG in the league. It was never a debate between Gil and Nash from 05-07. Nothing more needs to be said.

[og15]

For someone who has never led any 50+ win team, with only 3 All-Star/All-NBA selections. Dude has done a masterful job at keeping himself from being forgotten. I know scoring 60 against Kobe is no small cultural feat. But c’mon. Think about how often his name is brought up these days, compared to far superior players of his generation. Like Amare Stoudemire, Jermaine O’Neal, Shawn Marion, Peja Stojakovic, Joe Johnson, Deron Williams, etc. Even someone like John Wall (same franchise, more success, more talent, not as far removed from playing) isn’t nearly as revered and remembered.

Can Gil be seen as a revolutionary in the digital space? Is this the route that more players should take in order to stay remembered over time?

I’d put Gil ahead of all those players except Amare

Jermaine O’Neal was an MVP candidate at his peak. An automatic 20/10 with solid defense, who led 50+ win teams routinely.

Shawn Marion was another 20/10 guy with excellent defense and overall versatility. Could play multiple positions and provide value under any system. He was a much better overall player.

Peja Stojakovic elite shooting / efficiency, made him better, more valuable, more portable, etc . He wasn’t Kyle Korver. He could actually give you 20-25 a night. There’s a reason he came in top 5 MVP voting at his peak (while playing alongside Webber)

With Joe Johnson it’s a bit closer. He wasn’t as good a scorer…but a far better shooter, defender, and playmaker. Was bigger, more clutch, and simply more successful. Led a 53 win team (with less talent than Gil ever had), and quietly finished with 7 All-Star selections.

Deron Williams at his peak was in talks for best PG in the league. It was never a debate between Gil and Nash from 05-07. Nothing more needs to be said.

To be fully accurate, JO led ONE 50+ win team, it wasn't a routine thing.

Also, here's what you need to know about Gilbert:
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/DI8aGT8J5zA

[uncleduck13]

I’d put Gil ahead of all those players except Amare

Jermaine O’Neal was an MVP candidate at his peak. An automatic 20/10 with solid defense, who led 50+ win teams routinely.

Shawn Marion was another 20/10 guy with excellent defense and overall versatility. Could play multiple positions and provide value under any system. He was a much better overall player.

Peja Stojakovic elite shooting / efficiency, made him better, more valuable, more portable, etc . He wasn’t Kyle Korver. He could actually give you 20-25 a night. There’s a reason he came in top 5 MVP voting at his peak (while playing alongside Webber)

With Joe Johnson it’s a bit closer. He wasn’t as good a scorer…but a far better shooter, defender, and playmaker. Was bigger, more clutch, and simply more successful. Led a 53 win team (with less talent than Gil ever had), and quietly finished with 7 All-Star selections.

Deron Williams at his peak was in talks for best PG in the league. It was never a debate between Gil and Nash from 05-07. Nothing more needs to be said.

To be fully accurate, JO led ONE 50+ win team, it wasn't a routine thing.

Also, here's what you need to know about Gilbert:
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/DI8aGT8J5zA

Appreciate the correction and insight lol

[johanliebert]

you guys religiously follow zach lowe and the likes of Stephen A Smith but think Gilbert Arenas needs an elite pro resume.

[Showdown]

Gil (with Nick Young carrying the jokes) and Jeff Teague have the most entertaining basketball talk shows out. Much rather listen to them then hear SAS and Skip Bayless yelling their hot takes.

He also has some kind of podcast with Shay Shay (Shannon Sharpe) and Ochocinco too right ?

[magee]

To be fully accurate, JO led ONE 50+ win team, it wasn't a routine thing.

Also, here's what you need to know about Gilbert:
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/DI8aGT8J5zA

The Pacers were on pace to win over 60 games if not for the Malice at the Palace. No one was touching that team that year. So JO would've led them to another 50+ win season and another deep playoff run.

Hindsight, I know I know.

*Edited to properly quote.

[MrBigShot]

Yeah he has, but he is not viewed fondly. He is relevant by saying a lot of stupid things, and occasional some racist things. I also can't stand that he has McCants on who is one of the most arrogant players in new media, despite having accomplished absolutely nothing in the league.

He was a great player who's career was cut short by injury and yes the gun incident contributed.

He was all star and all NBA for 3 seasons in a row before injury struck at 26 years old.

Even at his peak he was a bit overrated. He was pretty inefficient, bad defensively, wasn't a good facilitator, and didn't do anything relevant in the playoffs.

Note that the Wizards won 45, 42, 41 and 43 games during his peak in a weak eastern conference, not that impressive. And it's not like his supporting cast was terrible...he had a couple really nice players like Jamison and Caron Butler with him.

Almost all of what you said is true, but Prime Gil was comfortably more efficient than league average because of his ability to get to the line a lot and knock down threes at a good rate on a high volume. He was an elite scorer, the problem is he just didn't really contribute in any other area.

[Kingdibs19]

why do we love arenas but hate skip bayless? they do exactly the same thing. giving hilariously bad takes.

i think thats pretty funny

One of them, in their prime was an all-star and top 10 in MVP votes.

The other in his prime was a starter on his middle school team.

They’re not the same.

gilbert arenas is not relevant because of his nba career. hate to break it to you my guy

hes relevant because he has audacious takes that make people click his videos. just how skip became relevant

I answered your question bud.

[og15]

To be fully accurate, JO led ONE 50+ win team, it wasn't a routine thing.

Also, here's what you need to know about Gilbert:
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/DI8aGT8J5zA

The Pacers were on pace to win over 60 games if not for the Malice at the Palace. No one was touching that team that year. So JO would've led them to another 50+ win season and another deep playoff run.

Hindsight, I know I know.

*Edited to properly quote.

That is definitely fair, I remember watching Malice at the Palace live on TV and just in disbelief.

[og15]

Yeah he has, but he is not viewed fondly. He is relevant by saying a lot of stupid things, and occasional some racist things. I also can't stand that he has McCants on who is one of the most arrogant players in new media, despite having accomplished absolutely nothing in the league.

He was a great player who's career was cut short by injury and yes the gun incident contributed.

He was all star and all NBA for 3 seasons in a row before injury struck at 26 years old.

Even at his peak he was a bit overrated. He was pretty inefficient, bad defensively, wasn't a good facilitator, and didn't do anything relevant in the playoffs.

Note that the Wizards won 45, 42, 41 and 43 games during his peak in a weak eastern conference, not that impressive. And it's not like his supporting cast was terrible...he had a couple really nice players like Jamison and Caron Butler with him.

Almost all of what you said is true, but Prime Gil was comfortably more efficient than league average because of his ability to get to the line a lot and knock down threes at a good rate on a high volume. He was an elite scorer, the problem is he just didn't really contribute in any other area.

Yes, if there's one thing he wasn't, it is inefficient, at least if we are talking about his best seasons. He was very good on offense. The Wizards were 10th, 6th and 4th in Ortg from 04-05 to 06-07.

Arenas' Net Ortg was:
+9.7
+11.8
+11.5

Overall NetRtg:
+9.3
+4.9
+13.4

His defense on the other hand was not so impressive, though the Wizards roster was not a good defensive roster in itself.

[Big J]

He has the same type of appeal as someone like DJ Khaled. There's a sizeable audience out there for a loud-mouthed, confident, try hard, goofball with maturity issues. People like how he speaks his mind and has a sense of humor. He's fun and jovial.

I've never listened to the podcast, but I've seen clips. Rashad McCants and Brandon Jennings trying to convince everyone they were good NBA players seems like a tiresome act but I bet people enjoy seeing them get mad?

This is actually one of the funniest parts of it all. We know in the grand scheme you guys are all very good basketball players, but Rashad especially talking like he was something in the NBA is quite wild.

At least Jennings lasted a decent time and injury was part of his downfall (Rashad too), but they really talk like they were more than the reality.

You should see how Kwame Brown talks. Dude owns his bust label, but he acts like he's the baddest MFer on the planet.

[NoStatsGuy]

One of them, in their prime was an all-star and top 10 in MVP votes.

The other in his prime was a starter on his middle school team.

They’re not the same.

gilbert arenas is not relevant because of his nba career. hate to break it to you my guy

hes relevant because he has audacious takes that make people click his videos. just how skip became relevant

I answered your question bud.

fair enough

[cupcakesnake]

He has the same type of appeal as someone like DJ Khaled. There's a sizeable audience out there for a loud-mouthed, confident, try hard, goofball with maturity issues. People like how he speaks his mind and has a sense of humor. He's fun and jovial.

I've never listened to the podcast, but I've seen clips. Rashad McCants and Brandon Jennings trying to convince everyone they were good NBA players seems like a tiresome act but I bet people enjoy seeing them get mad?

This is actually one of the funniest parts of it all. We know in the grand scheme you guys are all very good basketball players, but Rashad especially talking like he was something in the NBA is quite wild.

At least Jennings lasted a decent time and injury was part of his downfall (Rashad too), but they really talk like they were more than the reality.

You should see how Kwame Brown talks. Dude owns his bust label, but he acts like he's the baddest MFer on the planet.

Funny to say, but Kwame probably had a better career than Jennings or McCants. He lasted 12 seasons. He was an underrated defensive specialist. He was never starter level production, but he was a really mobile, really strong big.

People would probably say Jennings had the better career, just going off points and asssist numbers. But despite the talent and production, Jennings was a huge negative in those years. He missed too many shots to be helpful on offense and his defense was amongst the worst in the league.

Kwame peaked as a helpful role player. Jennings had a bigger role earlier, but was so awful in that role, I'd take Kwame.

[Big J]

This is actually one of the funniest parts of it all. We know in the grand scheme you guys are all very good basketball players, but Rashad especially talking like he was something in the NBA is quite wild.

At least Jennings lasted a decent time and injury was part of his downfall (Rashad too), but they really talk like they were more than the reality.

You should see how Kwame Brown talks. Dude owns his bust label, but he acts like he's the baddest MFer on the planet.

Funny to say, but Kwame probably had a better career than Jennings or McCants. He lasted 12 seasons. He was an underrated defensive specialist. He was never starter level production, but he was a really mobile, really strong big.

People would probably say Jennings had the better career, just going off points and asssist numbers. But despite the talent and production, Jennings was a huge negative in those years. He missed too many shots to be helpful on offense and his defense was amongst the worst in the league.

Kwame peaked as a helpful role player. Jennings had a bigger role earlier, but was so awful in that role, I'd take Kwame.

Difference is that Kwame was a number 1 overall pick. He was much more of a bust when you consider his performance relative to draft position.

[cupcakesnake]

You should see how Kwame Brown talks. Dude owns his bust label, but he acts like he's the baddest MFer on the planet.

Funny to say, but Kwame probably had a better career than Jennings or McCants. He lasted 12 seasons. He was an underrated defensive specialist. He was never starter level production, but he was a really mobile, really strong big.

People would probably say Jennings had the better career, just going off points and asssist numbers. But despite the talent and production, Jennings was a huge negative in those years. He missed too many shots to be helpful on offense and his defense was amongst the worst in the league.

Kwame peaked as a helpful role player. Jennings had a bigger role earlier, but was so awful in that role, I'd take Kwame.

Difference is that Kwame was a number 1 overall pick. He was much more of a bust when you consider his performance relative to draft position.

Agree he's the bigger bust. I was just saying he had a better career than Jennings.

That being said. very different draft classes. Jennings went in a loaded 2009 class (Harden, Curry, Blake, Jrue, Demar, Rubio, Teague, Tyreke) Loaded top 10. Kwame in 2001 had Gasol, Parker, Chandler, R.Jeff, Joe Johnson, Z.Bo, Battier, but most of those guys mid-to-late picks. Kwame, Eddy Curry, Tyson Chandler, and Pau were the contenders at #1. Still an all-time level bust.

[ArksNetsSince99]

The last time I heard about him being relevant, was when he brought guns to the locker room. Then a forgettable stint with the Magic. Then retired.

He has a pretty successful podcast. He's relevant in the media world.

What is his podcast about ? firearms ?