Bears 10.0: GM and coach watch before the draft

[patryk7754]

I’m glad to see Ben Johnson is the favorite. I would have liked Vrabel as well.

I think betting odds have become the most reliable source of "insider info"

[Jcool0]

I’m glad to see Ben Johnson is the favorite. I would have liked Vrabel as well.

I think betting odds have become the most reliable source of "insider info"

Not sure about that

2022:

Jim Harbaugh +450
Brian Flores +500
Leslie Frazier +500
Doug Pederson +750
Brian Daboll +800
Pat Fitzgerald +900
Eric Bieniemy +900
Matt Eberflus +1000

[biggestbullsfan]

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If we don’t offer him the job outright, he’s clearly a finalist with Ben Johnson and maybe one other person lol

[Dresden]

I think it very telling that McCarthy set up an interview with the Bears so quickly after parting ways with Dallas and the Saints do not get an interview until next week.

I think the Bears are McCarthy top priority with the Saints as a fallback. Would not surprise me that we hear McCarthy cancel his interview with the Saints, later in the week.

I think we'll pretty quickly see how much the Bears are all-in on Johnson (or not) depending on how things play out with McCarthy (and maybe Carroll?) this week.

Total Bears thing is to panic and hire McCarthy now instead of waiting on Ben Johnson.

OTH, if Bears wait on McCarthy, and then lose out on Johnson, and meanwhile McCarthy goes elsewhere, people will be saying that is "a total Bears thing". It's a tough situation. Seems like they have to find out from Johnson if he wants to come or not.

[panthermark]

I think we'll pretty quickly see how much the Bears are all-in on Johnson (or not) depending on how things play out with McCarthy (and maybe Carroll?) this week.

Total Bears thing is to panic and hire McCarthy now instead of waiting on Ben Johnson.

OTH, if Bears wait on McCarthy, and then lose out on Johnson, and meanwhile McCarthy goes elsewhere, people will be saying that is "a total Bears thing". It's a tough situation. Seems like they have to find out from Johnson if he wants to come or not.

If the Bears managed to miss out on Vrabel, Johnson and McCarthy, how else would you describe it other than "same old Bears"?

I wish I knew who their top choice was. I doubt we will ever know because whomever they eventually hire will have been their top choice all along according to any press releases and official statements that go out.

[nomorezorro]

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schefter throwing a lot of cold water on the johnson/raiders smoke. it's all pretty clearly just his opinion/analysis of the known weaknesses of the raiders, but i don't think he'd be out here scoffing at the appeal of the vegas job if he had sources indicating that johnson was highly likely to go there

[Jcool0]

Total Bears thing is to panic and hire McCarthy now instead of waiting on Ben Johnson.

OTH, if Bears wait on McCarthy, and then lose out on Johnson, and meanwhile McCarthy goes elsewhere, people will be saying that is "a total Bears thing". It's a tough situation. Seems like they have to find out from Johnson if he wants to come or not.

If the Bears managed to miss out on Vrabel, Johnson and McCarthy, how else would you describe it other than "same old Bears"?

I wish I knew who their top choice was. I doubt we will ever know because whomever they eventually hire will have been their top choice all along according to any press releases and official statements that go out.

Id be okay to take a chance on Todd Monken at that point.

[Jcool0]

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schefter throwing a lot of cold water on the johnson/raiders smoke. it's all pretty clearly just his opinion/analysis of the known weaknesses of the raiders, but i don't think he'd be out here scoffing at the appeal of the vegas job if he had sources indicating that johnson was highly likely to go there

For as great as Tom Brady was as a player. It would be stupid to take the Raiders job because he is a 5% owners.

[Dresden]

Total Bears thing is to panic and hire McCarthy now instead of waiting on Ben Johnson.

OTH, if Bears wait on McCarthy, and then lose out on Johnson, and meanwhile McCarthy goes elsewhere, people will be saying that is "a total Bears thing". It's a tough situation. Seems like they have to find out from Johnson if he wants to come or not.

If the Bears managed to miss out on Vrabel, Johnson and McCarthy, how else would you describe it other than "same old Bears"?

I wish I knew who their top choice was. I doubt we will ever know because whomever they eventually hire will have been their top choice all along according to any press releases and official statements that go out.

My point was that it's a tough situation. The OP said hiring McCarthy instead of waiting for Johnson would be so "Bears". My point was if they do wait for Johnson, they may miss on both of them, and people would be blaming THAT on them. If you have the sense the Bears are going to screw it up no matter what, you will find what you are looking for most likely.

[nomorezorro]

i also dunno why there's this perception the bears have to act fast on mccarthy. the only other known suitor for him is new orleans, they're not interviewing him until next week, it's not a particularly attractive opening and the buzz is they're not super interested in him anyway.

if he's threatening to take that job instead of waiting a couple of weeks for us to do our due diligence...dare him to do it? i'm personally not particularly scared about the possibility

[panthermark]

OTH, if Bears wait on McCarthy, and then lose out on Johnson, and meanwhile McCarthy goes elsewhere, people will be saying that is "a total Bears thing". It's a tough situation. Seems like they have to find out from Johnson if he wants to come or not.

If the Bears managed to miss out on Vrabel, Johnson and McCarthy, how else would you describe it other than "same old Bears"?

I wish I knew who their top choice was. I doubt we will ever know because whomever they eventually hire will have been their top choice all along according to any press releases and official statements that go out.

My point was that it's a tough situation. The OP said hiring McCarthy instead of waiting for Johnson would be so "Bears". My point was if they do wait for Johnson, they may miss on both of them, and people would be blaming THAT on them. If you have the sense the Bears are going to screw it up no matter what, you will find what you are looking for most likely.

I got what you were saying, but without knowing who they really want. It will be hard to say if they screwed up or not.....outside of missing out on both.

I think the assumption is that Ben Johnson is the guy to get, but I don't know what conditions that comes with. It is is a tough situation only if they don't land Johnson...at least to the media.

[Jcool0]

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[panthermark]

i also dunno why there's this perception the bears have to act fast on mccarthy. the only other known suitor for him is new orleans, they're not interviewing him until next week, it's not a particularly attractive opening and the buzz is they're not super interested in him anyway.

if he's threatening to take that job instead of waiting a couple of weeks for us to do our due diligence...dare him to do it? i'm personally not particularly scared about the possibility

Whomever wants Glenn is in the same situation as Johnson. Gotta wait....

I actually don't mind Glenn. He is probably 3rd on my list.

[JohnnyKILLroy]

McCarthy on paper looks really nice. I’m not sure why the Bears fans that are anti McCarthy feel that way. He’s got the total resume in a lot of ways. He also had to deal with the klustrphuk of a mess that is working for Jerry Jones. I don’t attribute his lack of success in Dallas to him completely. If he rounds out his coaching staff with studs then he’s cooking. I get that he’s not as sexy as BJ right now but when you look at his entire resume what are the odds BJ accomplishes anything close to that?

[dougthonus]

OTH, if Bears wait on McCarthy, and then lose out on Johnson, and meanwhile McCarthy goes elsewhere, people will be saying that is "a total Bears thing". It's a tough situation. Seems like they have to find out from Johnson if he wants to come or not.

I mean if that happens, it is absolute crap work by your front office.

If you want Johnson and Johnson is your number one guy, go make an offer of whatever it takes to land him today. Nothing complicated about it. If he rejects that offer, then go get your #2 option. What does it mean to "find out from Johnson if he wants to come or not". You find out by offering him the job and negotiating. If you decided that is your direction, then you should already be doing that. You should do it literally the minute after you make the decision that is what you want to do.

And to be fair to our FO, maybe they are doing that and somehow keeping it quiet. I have no opinion on how far negotiations could go without leaking.

[patryk7754]

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schefter throwing a lot of cold water on the johnson/raiders smoke. it's all pretty clearly just his opinion/analysis of the known weaknesses of the raiders, but i don't think he'd be out here scoffing at the appeal of the vegas job if he had sources indicating that johnson was highly likely to go there

a lot of cold water is an understatement. They make a great point about Johnson not even taking the interview if Brady isn't there. Adam bringing up all the coaches and GMs they have on payroll made me think, can they even afford Johnson? Im sure the cash flow is different know that they are in vegas, but it wasn't too long ago that Marc Davis was reportedly the "poorest" owner as far as having cash on hand. If I remember right, one of the big reasons (if not the main reason) Mack got traded because he literally didn't have the cash to pay him a new contract. That or he's that cheap.

If he's paying 4 coaches (one of which is Gruden and I imagine that was expensive) 3 GMs, would he be able to afford or willing to pay a coach around 15m?

[Jcool0]

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schefter throwing a lot of cold water on the johnson/raiders smoke. it's all pretty clearly just his opinion/analysis of the known weaknesses of the raiders, but i don't think he'd be out here scoffing at the appeal of the vegas job if he had sources indicating that johnson was highly likely to go there

a lot of cold water is an understatement. They make a great point about Johnson not even taking the interview if Brady isn't there. Adam bringing up all the coaches and GMs they have on payroll made me think, can they even afford Johnson? Im sure the cash flow is different know that they are in vegas, but it wasn't too long ago that Marc Davis was reportedly the "poorest" owner as far as having cash on hand. If I remember right, one of the big reasons (if not the main reason) Mack got traded because he literally didn't have the cash to pay him a new contract. That or he's that cheap.

If he's paying 4 coaches (one of which is Gruden and I imagine that was expensive) 3 GMs, would he be able to afford or willing to pay a coach around 15m?

15M is what Superbowl winning coaches get. Not first time NFL coaches.

[Almost Retired]

Raiders should trade Maxx Crosby. They need to rebuild. If they could get a couple of First Rounders and some later round filler they should probably do it. They need a QB. I don't know if Cam Ward or Shadeur Sanders are franchise material. So they may have to pick up a free agent QB. That is just not a good situation in Las Vegas. I doubt Johnson would seriously consider it. He's not stupid.

[nomorezorro]

I mean if that happens, it is absolute crap work by your front office.

If you want Johnson and Johnson is your number one guy, go make an offer of whatever it takes to land him today. Nothing complicated about it.

one complicated thing about it is that they are literally not allowed to do this

[patryk7754]

so take this with a very small grain of salt because its just word of mouth. A coworker of mine is best friends with the mom of one of the players on Notre Dame (I can confirm this is true) and according to him, players don't really listen to Freeman and its mostly the assistants. Basically, his only notable strength is being a great motivator.

I think there's good and bad in that. Sounds like he's great a building a coaching staff and obviously he's taken a team to the championship team. Really plays into the "CEO" type of coach. But it could also mean he can easily lose a lockerroom if players "don't really listen to him"

Another thing to note, to me, it kind of sounds like this player might be a little bitter because he got hurt recently and he feels like his draft status has been negatively effected.