Pistons/Pelicans Spring Rental

[Texas Chuck]

THJ
Fontecchio
25 TOR 2nd
27 DET 2nd
29 MIL 2nd
30 MIN 2nd
31 DET 2nd

for

Ingram

Detroit is salty. They should really want to make the playoffs. They may or may not want to give BI his next contract(I know the max talk, but he's going to come in well under that because Brooklyn isn't paying that) but that's okay because they pay rental prices so if he leaves having helped them so what. Use some of that cap space to get better.

For the Pels, they don't want him back. So get 5 2nds from 4 teams so you aren't just counting on Detroit to be bad to get decent ones. The first one is a top 35 pick. Fontecchio is a solid rotation bench player on an affordable deal for next year and they duck tax now leaving some wiggle room in a potential CJ trade.

I know some will laugh at just stacking 2nds, but we've actually seen deals like this and I'm not sold they can get a first without taking back money they won't want to.

[mcfly1204]

Are those unprotected 2nds??

[MotownMadness]

I don’t know how to feel about committing to him even after getting him at this price

[Texas Chuck]

I don’t know how to feel about committing to him even after getting him at this price

Yeah the whole point is they don't commit now. They just bring him in to replace the offense lost with Ivey. If the fit is good, you talk new contract. If the fit is bad or his demands are too high you haven't given up any assets you really regret. And if it helps ensure Cade and other young core guys get a taste of the playoffs I think the 2nds are worth it.

No commitment required beyond this year.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Tough sell for Pelicans imo. I probably let him walk at this price. Could get a large TPE or some seconds in the offseason in S&T

[BlazersBroncos]

Ya this is a good deal IMO.

Simone is a nice shooter, THJ expires and you get a platter of SRP.

I dont see a team committing itself to resigning BI to the level of paying a FRP so this IMO is as good as it gets for NO.

[SkyHook]

Given that THJ is also expiring, I like it for both.

[YayBasketball]

Yea this is as good a deal as Pels fans can realistically expect now. My question is this, though:

Rich Paul is Ingram's new agent and also Dejounte Murray's, who they just invested in and is now their culture leader. Will the agent accept for a team to take him on as just a rental? Or will they secure an unofficially official commitment on the new contract before the deadline trade.

I guess in this situation BI would be heavily featured as a 1B option on a playoff bound team. So that could be a good opportunity to showcase for his offseason contract negotiations, rather than be a 3rd or 4th option on a stacked team like the Cavs.

[YayBasketball]

Also should be noted that re-stocking the Pels' 2nds stock should be quite valuable for them, since they only have like one left, and ORL owns swap options on it. That darn Graham salary dump to get under the tax depleted their 2nds.

[SkyHook]

Yea this is as good a deal as Pels fans can realistically expect now. My question is this, though:

Rich Paul is Ingram's new agent and also Dejounte Murray's, who they just invested in and is now their culture leader. Will the agent accept for a team to take him on as just a rental? Or will they secure an unofficially official commitment on the new contract before the deadline trade.

I guess in this situation BI would be heavily featured as a 1B option on a playoff bound team. So that could be a good opportunity to showcase for his offseason contract negotiations, rather than be a 3rd or 4th option on a stacked team like the Cavs.

I don't see Rich Paul having any influence over whether this particular trade takes place. Detroit can try out Ingram for half a season and make a decision about whether to offer him a new contract in the summer. Ingram can negotiate with any team.

[jayjaysee]

I think playing in the playoffs gives Ingram a better chance to try and pretend to work on defense and show his scoring ability versus staying where he is at and messing up a tank by a game or two..

I think the Toronto 2nd makes this fair value for NOP with the rest tossed on top. Think with the cap relief it’s better than most the offers we see for Ingram. And definitely worth it for Detroit. I’d guess they keep Ingram though.

[Xman]

I would re-route Fontecchio and a second to Washington for JVal. Helps with the center issue.

[YayBasketball]

I don't see Rich Paul having any influence over whether this particular trade takes place. Detroit can try out Ingram for half a season and make a decision about whether to offer him a new contract in the summer. Ingram can negotiate with any team.

Well as we've learned in the past, this agent (and any agent of a high salary player) does have influence on trades. And it's not Pistons trade as a rental vs. stay on the Pelicans. It's if they can get some other team to commit to a new contract before trading for him.

[Kalamazoo317]

I’d rather keep THJ. Better fit in terms of role and chemistry and availability.

[SkyHook]

I don't see Rich Paul having any influence over whether this particular trade takes place. Detroit can try out Ingram for half a season and make a decision about whether to offer him a new contract in the summer. Ingram can negotiate with any team.

Well as we've learned in the past, this agent (and any agent of a high salary player) does have influence on trades. And it's not Pistons trade as a rental vs. stay on the Pelicans. It's if they can get some other team to commit to a new contract before trading for him.

He can certainly try whatever machinations he likes, just that if NOP is fine with the return and DET isn't banking on extending or resigning BI as part of the value, then Paul has no real influence on the decision.

[tmorgan]

I don’t know how to feel about committing to him even after getting him at this price

Yeah the whole point is they don't commit now. They just bring him in to replace the offense lost with Ivey. If the fit is good, you talk new contract. If the fit is bad or his demands are too high you haven't given up any assets you really regret. And if it helps ensure Cade and other young core guys get a taste of the playoffs I think the 2nds are worth it.

No commitment required beyond this year.

But that’s the problem, Chuck. We aren’t replacing the offense lost with Ivey, because Tek and Timmy play 46 minutes and average
Over 17 points themselves. We’re just creating different holes here.

[NYG]

I like it, but that just makes me wonder who is available that is worth a 1st?

[Xman]

If Detroit didn’t want Ingram, could sub in CJ. Helps with Ivey hurt and good tutor for Cade.

NO could then send Ingram elsewhere or resign.

[MotownMadness]

If Detroit didn’t want Ingram, could sub in CJ. Helps with Ivey hurt and good tutor for Cade.

NO could then send Ingram elsewhere or resign.

Something like CJ or Sexton might be the move. We really need another combo guard ball handler type.

[Kalamazoo317]

I'd rather get Ingram than CJ. I'd get have Sexton or Simons than Ingram. I'd probably rather stand pat than trade away a top 8-9 rotation player with the run we're on. (So Tech, Sasser, Wendell Moore is where I consider it). In the offseason and earlier in the season I was open to the idea that THJ and Harris were salary fillers waiting to happen. But they went and made themselves key cogs to what we're doing.