Should the Warriors make a trade?

[Mambomuziki]

All I want is to watch a good product a competitive team. These players are not having fun anymore here. The coaches don't get off the bench to scream at players to get to spots or get to a defensive position. I actually think Andre was the coach of this team when he was here. Can we not improve marginally without mortgaging the future. Again what's the future? Unknown? Look at the Celtics they build up and every year they have a pick. The timberwolves traded picks etc but they still managed to get a draft pick this year. The FO need to be smarter, grow a pair. The coaches have to be better, players need to be put in the right position to succeed and build confidence.


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[SpreeS]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/golden-state-warriors/news/warriors-may-swap-jonathan-kuminga-favor-2152-million-bulls-guard/26bfed8991221983e91e1abf

How many brain cells do these writers have?

Wiggs/Kuminga/Moody/Hield/27 1st rnd pick for Lavine???

[Jester_]

lavine and vooch are both having scorching unsustainable career years and the bulls are still 10th seed in the east

hard pass

[Onus]

I just read an article that behind the scenes the warriors are trying to trade for butler or lebron. SMH The dark ages have begun

[NW]

Zion, who's notoriously not done much for the Pelicans, is our hope now?

The Wiggins trade has people believing in miracles.. truth is Wiggins value was always there but his expectations were much higher. Zion's issue is his weight, that he misses long stretches of games as a young player already, and his defense is ****. He's not changing anything.. even if they acquired him and he was healthy and at his peak form, the team still has a glut of role players the coaching staff has no idea how to use

This isnt 20 years ago where a big 3 and a bunch of scrubs is a title contender any more.. good teams have depth that they use well. Why invest any future assets right now when the rest of the roster is going to be used poorly anyways? So they can say they tried? For the 1-2 weeks of euphoria of getting a new player and hoping they save the season? Just bring Twardzik back if that's our strategy.. maybe we can hire Mookie Blaylock and Tom Gugliotta and Donyell Marshall and Bob Sura and Larry Hughes and Danny Fortson and Al Harrington and Stephen Jackson and Baron Davis and Clifford Robinson and Jamal Crawford to consult on how to execute this strategy just right

If they make any deals, it be towards recouping value of players showing value while they still can. Wiggins and JK should be at the top of that list, and maybe TJD as well. If he even has value, but I guess some teams might need a 2nd/3rd string C type

Zion is borderline a top 10 player when he’s on the court. Getting him for a 1st or 2 is not mortgaging the future. Especially if you can put protections on those 1sts.

Not making a deal for a borderline top 10 player who is young and has multiple outs in his contract because the coaching staff is trash is horrible. If Zion does take his professionalism seriously and is taught how to be a professional then he will stay longer than Kerr will, hell it may even be an impetus to get rid of Kerr earlier.

Hell if Zion actually does turn it around he will be better than anyone in this draft most likely.

What are zions biggest issues? Weight and professionalism. He has weight clauses in his contract. He actually looks a lot slimmer than whatever year he blew up like a marshmallow. Professionalism, who was he supposed to learn from? BI who looks like he’s baked half the damn time? Gayle benson who is too cheap to have a separate medical staff from the pels and the saints? If Zion can’t learn from Steph and dray to be a professional, whom dray had to fight through his own weight issues then Zion will be a loss cause. But his upside is worth jk and this years 1st and maybe a protected 27 1st.

Not fond of his CBA negotiation skills, but CJ McCollum is one of the most respected, professional guys in the league, so I call BS on that

Zion is a grown man who can’t do two of the simplest things required to be a professional basketball player-stay in shape and healthy and be on time. Failure to be able to do those things neutralizes what he’s capable of on the court if he, you know, did those things he chooses not to do.

[Onus]

Zion, who's notoriously not done much for the Pelicans, is our hope now?

The Wiggins trade has people believing in miracles.. truth is Wiggins value was always there but his expectations were much higher. Zion's issue is his weight, that he misses long stretches of games as a young player already, and his defense is ****. He's not changing anything.. even if they acquired him and he was healthy and at his peak form, the team still has a glut of role players the coaching staff has no idea how to use

This isnt 20 years ago where a big 3 and a bunch of scrubs is a title contender any more.. good teams have depth that they use well. Why invest any future assets right now when the rest of the roster is going to be used poorly anyways? So they can say they tried? For the 1-2 weeks of euphoria of getting a new player and hoping they save the season? Just bring Twardzik back if that's our strategy.. maybe we can hire Mookie Blaylock and Tom Gugliotta and Donyell Marshall and Bob Sura and Larry Hughes and Danny Fortson and Al Harrington and Stephen Jackson and Baron Davis and Clifford Robinson and Jamal Crawford to consult on how to execute this strategy just right

If they make any deals, it be towards recouping value of players showing value while they still can. Wiggins and JK should be at the top of that list, and maybe TJD as well. If he even has value, but I guess some teams might need a 2nd/3rd string C type

Zion is borderline a top 10 player when he’s on the court. Getting him for a 1st or 2 is not mortgaging the future. Especially if you can put protections on those 1sts.

Not making a deal for a borderline top 10 player who is young and has multiple outs in his contract because the coaching staff is trash is horrible. If Zion does take his professionalism seriously and is taught how to be a professional then he will stay longer than Kerr will, hell it may even be an impetus to get rid of Kerr earlier.

Hell if Zion actually does turn it around he will be better than anyone in this draft most likely.

What are zions biggest issues? Weight and professionalism. He has weight clauses in his contract. He actually looks a lot slimmer than whatever year he blew up like a marshmallow. Professionalism, who was he supposed to learn from? BI who looks like he’s baked half the damn time? Gayle benson who is too cheap to have a separate medical staff from the pels and the saints? If Zion can’t learn from Steph and dray to be a professional, whom dray had to fight through his own weight issues then Zion will be a loss cause. But his upside is worth jk and this years 1st and maybe a protected 27 1st.

Not fond of his CBA negotiation skills, but CJ McCollum is one of the most respected, professional guys in the league, so I call BS on that

Zion is a grown man who can’t do two of the simplest things required to be a professional basketball player-stay in shape and healthy and be on time. Failure to be able to do those things neutralizes what he’s capable of on the court if he, you know, did those things he chooses not to do.

Those are choices that can be fixed. He looks to be in better shape and has weight clauses in his contract. Being on time is a choice, and just because you choose to not be on time doesn't make it so that you will always be late for the rest of your life.

But you're right, I did forget about CJ.

[DonaldSanders]

I just read an article that behind the scenes the warriors are trying to trade for butler or lebron. SMH The dark ages have begun

The source for the 'info' is The Daily Mail, a crappy UK tabloid.

I'm not really buying the whole 'we're fine and no trades coming' vibe coming from the Warriors, but I would not trust The Daily Mail.

[ILOVEIT]

This is a good link about Warriors "mortgaging the future". Save you the trouble of watching - "There is nothing on the Warriors right now resembling a future (other than Kuminga)."

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[NW]

I just read an article that behind the scenes the warriors are trying to trade for butler or lebron. SMH The dark ages have begun

The source for the 'info' is The Daily Mail, a crappy UK tabloid.

I'm not really buying the whole 'we're fine and no trades coming' vibe coming from the Warriors, but I would not trust The Daily Mail.

Agreed on the “we’re not desperate and there’s no pressure to make a trade” stuff is just posturing so opposing teams don’t bend them over in trades, but the Butler/LeBron stuff isn’t surprising imo.

Lacob’s strategy seems clear to me. They’ll make a move to get Steph help as long as it don’t dip into any of the Post Steph assets. So, when Steph retires, they’ll have a clean cap (except for maybe a re-signed Kuminga), all their first round picks and a coach of their choosing.

Butler or LeBron (though I doubt that has any chance of happening) could be gotten without touching those assets

[NW]

This is a good link about Warriors "mortgaging the future". Save you the trouble of watching - "There is nothing on the Warriors right now resembling a future (other than Kuminga)."

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Post Steph lottery picks which will be high lottery cause the team stinks is the future. Not sure how anyone thinks Draymond, Steph or Kerr is talking about anything else (maybe Kuminga). Moody, TJD and Podz are not dealbreakers.

Which is why all those quotes are posturing BS imo. I haven’t heard anyone even suggest trading post Steph firsts in a deal to get win now help. Pretty much everyone knows that would be stupid.

But that’s not the only possible trades out there.

[floppymoose]

This is a good link about Warriors "mortgaging the future". Save you the trouble of watching - "There is nothing on the Warriors right now resembling a future (other than Kuminga)."

Incorrect. GSW owns it's future 1st round picks.

[Twinkie defense]

I want to change the poll to add the option - yes: tear it all down!

[Twinkie defense]

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/golden-state-warriors/news/warriors-may-swap-jonathan-kuminga-favor-2152-million-bulls-guard/26bfed8991221983e91e1abf

How many brain cells do these writers have?

Wiggs/Kuminga/Moody/Hield/27 1st rnd pick for Lavine???

Is Torrey Craig a young All Star or something?

[CDM_Stats]

Man, you guys will imagine myriad reasons to avoid making any move, and that's why this team is stuck in the middle of nowhere. Just like the Warriors FO, you're all paralyzed. No, I don't have all the answers either, I don't know what the perfect move is, but doing nothing from where they are right keeps you in NBA Hell. I'd rather they take a big swing and flame out instead of watching Ball 4 go by.

Being bad >> being mediocre

What actually keeps teams in hell is being in denial about where they are and forcing bad trades. In this cycle, its guys like Vuc and Zion. Because those guys are good enough to keep you in the 30 win range and not much else (albeit for very different reasons)

Win-now trades are for teams that are currently winning but need a little extra to get them to contention. What you guys are pushing for is a midseason trade, into a very complex system that takes even our success stories (Wiggins) at least a year to fully adjust, and that system is pretty much locked-in as Kerr refuses to change it... and the top 2 options people are pushing are guys who would do so poorly in a motion offense and switch-heavy defense. Until Kerr shows even the slightest sign of being flexible in that regard, a move would be pointless. They can't even use Schroder right, and his strengths/weaknesses are among the most obvious this team has had. Why go even bigger if Kerr can't do that right?

Most of your post has nothing to do with basketball, its just cautionary that they may not fill the seats as much or be able to charge as much for tickets. I dont think many people are going to care about that tbh

[HiRez]

Man, you guys will imagine myriad reasons to avoid making any move, and that's why this team is stuck in the middle of nowhere. Just like the Warriors FO, you're all paralyzed. No, I don't have all the answers either, I don't know what the perfect move is, but doing nothing from where they are right keeps you in NBA Hell. I'd rather they take a big swing and flame out instead of watching Ball 4 go by.

Being bad >> being mediocre

What actually keeps teams in hell is being in denial about where they are and forcing bad trades. In this cycle, its guys like Vuc and Zion. Because those guys are good enough to keep you in the 30 win range and not much else (albeit for very different reasons)

Win-now trades are for teams that are currently winning but need a little extra to get them to contention. What you guys are pushing for is a midseason trade, into a very complex system that takes even our success stories (Wiggins) at least a year to fully adjust, and that system is pretty much locked-in as Kerr refuses to change it... and the top 2 options people are pushing are guys who would do so poorly in a motion offense and switch-heavy defense. Until Kerr shows even the slightest sign of being flexible in that regard, a move would be pointless. They can't even use Schroder right, and his strengths/weaknesses are among the most obvious this team has had. Why go even bigger if Kerr can't do that right?

Most of your post has nothing to do with basketball, its just cautionary that they may not fill the seats as much or be able to charge as much for tickets. I dont think many people are going to care about that tbh

Right now they're in the 40-win range, how is that much different? It's still "the middle". And that's without any extended absences from Steph or Draymond, which are surely coming at some point. I disagree that Zion is lousy, the risk with him is all availability. But if you acquire a Zion and if he flames out, you're going to move up in the draft anyway. The key with Zion is to keep him on the floor where he's easily a top 10 player in the league and will win you games if you put him together with someone like Steph and some decent role-players. I believe there are ways to go about doing that and that the Pelicans have perhaps not done as much as they could.

Saying guys "don't fit into the system" is one of those excuses and while it's not wrong, it points to (after Steph aging) perhaps the main problem: Steve Kerr and his system. That's what's holding everything up. That's why Schröder doesn't work, it's why apparently less than 1% of NBA players can effectively "play with Draymond", can't use Zion, can't use Butler, can't use anyone over 6'6", can't get the most out of Kuminga, that's why we can't integrate anyone else they might acquire. Steve Kerr needs to **** go, thanks for your service Steve, it was a great ride, but it's untenable at this point. This team desperately needs a new head coach who can make a system (or...omg what a concept...multiple systems) for whatever players he has instead of being unable to fit any players into one outdated, totally inflexible system. Kerr has a system built of only round holes and the rest of the NBA are square pegs.

As to gate receipts not mattering, I think they do. Not just from a financial standpoint, but if people stop watching it means you have a lousy product and interest has waned, and that's always bad long-term. I'm borderline ready to cancel my month-to-month League Pass subscription because this team is almost impossible to watch right now. I swear to god I got more enjoyment watching the Monta Ellis / Baron Davis / Stephen Jackson / Andris Biedrins Warriors, although I'm certainly not saying I want to go back to that.

I mean maybe we agree on Kerr being the big issue, but I'm saying get rid of him while you seem to be advocating (praying?) for him to come around to being more flexible and changing it up. If the Warriors front office isn't willing to do that, then why should we have any confidence in their competence to rebuild a post-Steph team from draft assets?

[Twinkie defense]

I really like the Warriors system and as long as Stephen Curry and Draymond Green are their best players they would be stupid to change it.

If at some point the Warriors do change - or let's say evolve - their system I hope it's still fast-paced, motion, looking for the easy basket. I don't want to watch stagnant basketball.

[DAWill1128]

In terms of trade targets that were heavily reported over the years, I would probably rank them in this order, top to bottom.

1.) Anunoby
2.) Siakam
3.) DJM
4.) George
5.) Lauri
6.) Schroeder
7.) Vucevic
8.) Butler (only trade that required trading the core, with CP3's contract maybe 4th)

I don't believe there's any chance LeBron would be traded by the Lakers or Durant by the Suns.

With that being said, Vucevic has been pretty far down at the bottom of names I would want, as reported by the media. But watching last night and seeing how much runway TJD gets nightly, even into crucial crunch time minutes, all I could think to myself is Vucevic would've hit that shot or this shot. TJD gets that ball, and unless it's a lob or dump down for a dunk, he just isn't doing anything with it. Vucevic can convert from any spot around the paint with his soft touch. Watching Bulls games, he starts possessions out at the 3 to drag the center away; if the center helps, he puts up the shot. Otherwise, Vucevic follows the ball handler and finds the open spot in the paint to put up a shot. The Bulls offense visually looks better than ours, and some of the numbers do back that up. Vucevic is a guy you have to guard not just a lob you have to defend, that can make a difference.

I don't like Vucevic defensively, but the more I watch TJD, the more I see he stands directly under the hoop to contest shots, and a lot of times instead of beating the guy to the spot so he doesn't put up the shot. Dray, for example, can't contest the peak height of inside shots, but he's got enough awareness to get to the spot before the release. Dray might be the best guy at beating the guy to the spot before the guy can release the shot. The NBA has had a lot of huge guys who just don't get to the spot pre-release fast enough. Dwight Howard in his prime got to that spot lightning quick for a center. Vucevic isn't beating much of anybody to the spot.

If the Warriors want to trade some of what they consider dead contracts to give Vucevic a try and maybe a 2nd rounder or two, I am okay with that. As a fan, it will give me some more entertainment to give it a try. I don't think they would contend. At the same time, some of these guys minutes could be dispersed to other players. Kyle Anderson deserves a shot at taking TJD's minutes, but if that's not going to happen, so be it. Santos and Kuminga can eat some of Anderson's minutes. Vucevic can take TJD's minutes. If a shooting guard has to be shipped out, I feel like we are pretty deep at that spot that we can fill minutes.

I would love to hear from somebody that sees a path back to contention without a full sell-off, tank, and rebuild. 

[whatisacenter]

I doubt the team makes a trade until closer to the deadline.

It's overpay season unless there is a tanking team who has a good player they want to move off of before they ruin the tank.

[watch1958]

I doubt the team makes a trade until closer to the deadline.

It's overpay season unless there is a tanking team who has a good player they want to move off of before they ruin the tank.

I think they need two players. So I’d be looking for that team really hard right now. If you could get a good player now, then it might make sense to overpay for another good player at the deadline.

[Crazy-Canuck]

The need to prioritize a consistent 15 ppg who can shoot to space the floor.

Since melton went down, we've lacked a 3rd spacing option on offense.

Kerr doesn't want to play heild with the starters.
Podz was shooting better till, he got hurt.
Jk isn't a spacer.
Moody seems have an aversion to passing this year.

Him being able to defend and handle is a bonus, but I doubt these types of players can be had for peanuts.

Nesmith has been the only guy of interest for me among the rumors floating around.