Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

[OnlyFranz22]

Gonna have to score against those two teams. Cavs smacked our ass last playoffs and they are better this year.

Did they? They were down 20 in a game 7 lol. They are way better this year, but we've yet to see our healthy team and still have a bunch of upgrades with picks at our disposal.

Just ignore those fools

Fools lmao….

Quite ironic

[Skybox]

Massive injury issues are not a reason to NOT improve your roster...they're more likely additional incentive to do it.

"we can't assess anything with everyone out" is BS...you're an NBA FO, you shouldn't need to have everything spelled out in front of you , like you're some semi-ignorant fanboy (like us here) without the time, resources, staff, tools to evaluate and project how players would/could/should interact.

Is there risk? Sure...always. Kind of like the risk of "stealing" a 3&D 31 year old for $22m (significantly more than his own contending vet team would pay) and he shows up and shoots30%....I'm not even criticizing that move, just that there is always some risk, but there may be MORE risk (to your team's non-guaranteed ascendance) to sitting still while extensions hit, players age and/or get frustrated, etc. Time is NOT always on your side.

[jonbob17]

I want to see this team healthy and together as much as anybody , but i also want our half court to function in the playoffs so we can see how this team stacks up.

Let's get crazy ideas:
Beal - He's got 2 years $110M left. Use him as a rental for this postseason and next year, and then he is an expiring...albeit an expiring with a no trade clause....eh maybe that doesn't work...He's nowhere near as awful as the media is making him out to be. Magic could act as the third team to facilitate another trade for Phoenix (Butler for instance)

Lavine - Similar to Beal, 2 years of big $, but with injury risk. Add his shooting, playmaking, and passing as the third option...seems like pretty perfect fit. Suggs and Franz on either side covering some defense. Money might be a problem (like beal) in that third year...if he stays healthy always tradeable....health the key

The big question mark for me is this year's draft picks. I like the depth in this draft, but i am not sure we have room for these types of guys, certainly not two....How do we maximize the trade value of these picks. Wait until the draft or use it now. I worry that they will just kick the picks down the road, and they will turn into worse picks (highly protected or even 2nds)

Maybe we can get a couple weeks of a healthy team to look at before the deadline. the biggest thing is just having the Franz and Paolo back to create some open threes surely this team is the worst three point shooting team of the modern era and has to revert to the median...15th team is 36.2 and Magic at 30.7...seems impossible to be such an outlier.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I want to see this team healthy and together as much as anybody , but i also want our half court to function in the playoffs so we can see how this team stacks up.

Let's get crazy ideas:
Beal - He's got 2 years $110M left. Use him as a rental for this postseason and next year, and then he is an expiring...albeit an expiring with a no trade clause....eh maybe that doesn't work...He's nowhere near as awful as the media is making him out to be. Magic could act as the third team to facilitate another trade for Phoenix (Butler for instance)

Lavine - Similar to Beal, 2 years of big $, but with injury risk. Add his shooting, playmaking, and passing as the third option...seems like pretty perfect fit. Suggs and Franz on either side covering some defense. Money might be a problem (like beal) in that third year...if he stays healthy always tradeable....health the key

The big question mark for me is this year's draft picks. I like the depth in this draft, but i am not sure we have room for these types of guys, certainly not two....How do we maximize the trade value of these picks. Wait until the draft or use it now. I worry that they will just kick the picks down the road, and they will turn into worse picks (highly protected or even 2nds)

Maybe we can get a couple weeks of a healthy team to look at before the deadline. Maybe the biggest thing is just having the Franz and Paolo back to create some open threes surely this team is the worst three point shooting team of the modern era and has to revert to the median...15th team is 36.2 and Magic at 30.7...seems impossible to be such an outlier.

I see us using 1 1st to replace Caleb Houstan/Gary Harris and possibly moving the 2nd first with a WCJ for consolidation.

at least that's what I'd do

[jonbob17]

I want to see this team healthy and together as much as anybody , but i also want our half court to function in the playoffs so we can see how this team stacks up.

Let's get crazy ideas:
Beal - He's got 2 years $110M left. Use him as a rental for this postseason and next year, and then he is an expiring...albeit an expiring with a no trade clause....eh maybe that doesn't work...He's nowhere near as awful as the media is making him out to be. Magic could act as the third team to facilitate another trade for Phoenix (Butler for instance)

Lavine - Similar to Beal, 2 years of big $, but with injury risk. Add his shooting, playmaking, and passing as the third option...seems like pretty perfect fit. Suggs and Franz on either side covering some defense. Money might be a problem (like beal) in that third year...if he stays healthy always tradeable....health the key

The big question mark for me is this year's draft picks. I like the depth in this draft, but i am not sure we have room for these types of guys, certainly not two....How do we maximize the trade value of these picks. Wait until the draft or use it now. I worry that they will just kick the picks down the road, and they will turn into worse picks (highly protected or even 2nds)

Maybe we can get a couple weeks of a healthy team to look at before the deadline. Maybe the biggest thing is just having the Franz and Paolo back to create some open threes surely this team is the worst three point shooting team of the modern era and has to revert to the median...15th team is 36.2 and Magic at 30.7...seems impossible to be such an outlier.

I see us using 1 1st to replace Caleb Houstan/Gary Harris and possibly moving the 2nd first with a WCJ for consolidation.

at least that's what I'd do

Move WCJ in the offseason with the pick. Makes sense...if he was tradeable might make things easier..

[pepe1991]

We will probably need to attach Suns pick and Magic pick just to move Carter. They gave him 3 years $59M exstension that starts next year, last year is team option, but still, in best case scenario he takes near $20M a year until the end of 2027-28.

For argument sake, he makes as much as Vuc, who is having 20-10-3, 64% TS season

[RichCollab]

Massive injury issues are not a reason to NOT improve your roster...they're more likely additional incentive to do it.

"we can't assess anything with everyone out" is BS...you're an NBA FO, you shouldn't need to have everything spelled out in front of you , like you're some semi-ignorant fanboy (like us here) without the time, resources, staff, tools to evaluate and project how players would/could/should interact.

Is there risk? Sure...always. Kind of like the risk of "stealing" a 3&D 31 year old for $22m (significantly more than his own contending vet team would pay) and he shows up and shoots30%....I'm not even criticizing that move, just that there is always some risk, but there may be MORE risk (to your team's non-guaranteed ascendance) to sitting still while extensions hit, players age and/or get frustrated, etc. Time is NOT always on your side.

I think we should avoid being too patient. Adding Tyus mid season last year would still be helpful for us right now.

I don’t think a single player can fix a team that’s shooting bad but it’s a step.

Paolo and Franz are ready to compete for a championship so we need to start making changes in that direction.

[BadMofoPimp]

Massive injury issues are not a reason to NOT improve your roster...they're more likely additional incentive to do it.

"we can't assess anything with everyone out" is BS...you're an NBA FO, you shouldn't need to have everything spelled out in front of you , like you're some semi-ignorant fanboy (like us here) without the time, resources, staff, tools to evaluate and project how players would/could/should interact.

Is there risk? Sure...always. Kind of like the risk of "stealing" a 3&D 31 year old for $22m (significantly more than his own contending vet team would pay) and he shows up and shoots30%....I'm not even criticizing that move, just that there is always some risk, but there may be MORE risk (to your team's non-guaranteed ascendance) to sitting still while extensions hit, players age and/or get frustrated, etc. Time is NOT always on your side.

We didn't see Philly make panic moves. Magic just being smart not sacrificing the future to pacify fans who want to win now. This team is still building for the future and that involves development and building chemistry in what they have.

[Skybox]

Massive injury issues are not a reason to NOT improve your roster...they're more likely additional incentive to do it.

"we can't assess anything with everyone out" is BS...you're an NBA FO, you shouldn't need to have everything spelled out in front of you , like you're some semi-ignorant fanboy (like us here) without the time, resources, staff, tools to evaluate and project how players would/could/should interact.

Is there risk? Sure...always. Kind of like the risk of "stealing" a 3&D 31 year old for $22m (significantly more than his own contending vet team would pay) and he shows up and shoots30%....I'm not even criticizing that move, just that there is always some risk, but there may be MORE risk (to your team's non-guaranteed ascendance) to sitting still while extensions hit, players age and/or get frustrated, etc. Time is NOT always on your side.

We didn't see Philly make panic moves. Magic just being smart not sacrificing the future to pacify fans who want to win now. This team is still building for the future and that involves development and building chemistry in what they have.

MOVES do not have to equal PANIC MOVES

I think we're talking about someone like Sexton for crap + pick(s), not Franz for Beal. Where's the huge risk?

We are in such a strong position with extra picks and few real needs. We could do a lot of good right now with a scoring/playmaking guard and a rotation big would be nice too...both are on the buffet tables put out by tankers for us. Neither would be detrimental to our long-term, or even next year progress. I'd say we will likely have to do some housecleaning of players with small roles and medium salaries like WCJ, Cole and maybe even Isaac (maybe). If WCJ would show some consistency and availability, he'd be a keeper as a frontcourt super-sub, but as it stands, Isaac, even on limited minutes, is the better bet at $15m per going forward.

I'd also say "Winning Now" isnt a bad thing...doing things that fans like isn't necessarily a bad thing either. Obviously, not dumb things...but I don't think it's outrageous for a FO to want the same things as the fans. Like winning, for instance. Getting better as a young team, for instance.

You forgot to say "This isn't NBA2K" and "Don't skip steps" in your bumper sticker cliches...also, try to work in "organic" somewhere

[eyriq]

JI for Simons, get it done already

[cedric76]

JI for Simons, get it done already

We can easily get Simons without trading ji

[BadMofoPimp]

Massive injury issues are not a reason to NOT improve your roster...they're more likely additional incentive to do it.

"we can't assess anything with everyone out" is BS...you're an NBA FO, you shouldn't need to have everything spelled out in front of you , like you're some semi-ignorant fanboy (like us here) without the time, resources, staff, tools to evaluate and project how players would/could/should interact.

Is there risk? Sure...always. Kind of like the risk of "stealing" a 3&D 31 year old for $22m (significantly more than his own contending vet team would pay) and he shows up and shoots30%....I'm not even criticizing that move, just that there is always some risk, but there may be MORE risk (to your team's non-guaranteed ascendance) to sitting still while extensions hit, players age and/or get frustrated, etc. Time is NOT always on your side.

We didn't see Philly make panic moves. Magic just being smart not sacrificing the future to pacify fans who want to win now. This team is still building for the future and that involves development and building chemistry in what they have.

MOVES do not have to equal PANIC MOVES

I think we're talking about someone like Sexton for crap + pick(s), not Franz for Beal. Where's the huge risk?

We are in such a strong position with extra picks and few real needs. We could do a lot of good right now with a scoring/playmaking guard and a rotation big would be nice too...both are on the buffet tables put out by tankers for us. Neither would be detrimental to our long-term, or even next year progress. I'd say we will likely have to do some housecleaning of players with small roles and medium salaries like WCJ, Cole and maybe even Isaac (maybe). If WCJ would show some consistency and availability, he'd be a keeper as a frontcourt super-sub, but as it stands, Isaac, even on limited minutes, is the better bet at $15m per going forward.

I'd also say "Winning Now" isnt a bad thing...doing things that fans like isn't necessarily a bad thing either. Obviously, not dumb things...but I don't think it's outrageous for a FO to want the same things as the fans. Like winning, for instance. Getting better as a young team, for instance.

You forgot to say "This isn't NBA2K" and "Don't skip steps" in your bumper sticker cliches...also, try to work in "organic" somewhere

I for one won't be surprised if the Magic are smart and don't make any drastic moves.

[Skybox]

JI for Simons, get it done already

kind of an interesting concept...not sure if POR would bite as a rebuild, but JI might make Ayton more playable, and they would save considerable $$$. Maybe address both issues of ours by expanding...

ORL sends: Jonathan Isaac, Cole Anthony, 2 srps
POR sends: Simons, Robert Williams

Williams is something like Isaac, tremendous defender, especially rim-protector, even in limited minutes...not as overall impactful as Isaac and equally unreliable. But he could play with Moe or WCJ, or just as a backup to Goga, in limited minutes. He's only got one more year and can't realistically be looking for a raise at that time. He makes about what Cole will make next year, around $13m. Simons is, obviously, a significant upgrade in backcourt firepower. POR may not hold out for a frp for Simons because of the salary relief the deal offers, largely due to Isaac's steeply descending deal. Financially, in terms of amount & duration, Time Lord & Cole are a wash.

[Skybox]

We didn't see Philly make panic moves. Magic just being smart not sacrificing the future to pacify fans who want to win now. This team is still building for the future and that involves development and building chemistry in what they have.

MOVES do not have to equal PANIC MOVES

I think we're talking about someone like Sexton for crap + pick(s), not Franz for Beal. Where's the huge risk?

We are in such a strong position with extra picks and few real needs. We could do a lot of good right now with a scoring/playmaking guard and a rotation big would be nice too...both are on the buffet tables put out by tankers for us. Neither would be detrimental to our long-term, or even next year progress. I'd say we will likely have to do some housecleaning of players with small roles and medium salaries like WCJ, Cole and maybe even Isaac (maybe). If WCJ would show some consistency and availability, he'd be a keeper as a frontcourt super-sub, but as it stands, Isaac, even on limited minutes, is the better bet at $15m per going forward.

I'd also say "Winning Now" isnt a bad thing...doing things that fans like isn't necessarily a bad thing either. Obviously, not dumb things...but I don't think it's outrageous for a FO to want the same things as the fans. Like winning, for instance. Getting better as a young team, for instance.

You forgot to say "This isn't NBA2K" and "Don't skip steps" in your bumper sticker cliches...also, try to work in "organic" somewhere

I for one won't be surprised if the Magic are smart and don't make any drastic moves.

I also wont be surprised if the Magic are not smart and continue to sit on their thumbs, avoid any risk or exposure, and put job security above ambition.

[BadMofoPimp]

MOVES do not have to equal PANIC MOVES

I think we're talking about someone like Sexton for crap + pick(s), not Franz for Beal. Where's the huge risk?

We are in such a strong position with extra picks and few real needs. We could do a lot of good right now with a scoring/playmaking guard and a rotation big would be nice too...both are on the buffet tables put out by tankers for us. Neither would be detrimental to our long-term, or even next year progress. I'd say we will likely have to do some housecleaning of players with small roles and medium salaries like WCJ, Cole and maybe even Isaac (maybe). If WCJ would show some consistency and availability, he'd be a keeper as a frontcourt super-sub, but as it stands, Isaac, even on limited minutes, is the better bet at $15m per going forward.

I'd also say "Winning Now" isnt a bad thing...doing things that fans like isn't necessarily a bad thing either. Obviously, not dumb things...but I don't think it's outrageous for a FO to want the same things as the fans. Like winning, for instance. Getting better as a young team, for instance.

You forgot to say "This isn't NBA2K" and "Don't skip steps" in your bumper sticker cliches...also, try to work in "organic" somewhere

I for one won't be surprised if the Magic are smart and don't make any drastic moves.

I also wont be surprised if the Magic are not smart and continue to sit on their thumbs, avoid any risk or exposure, and put job security above ambition.

Magic are building for the future, not right now to pacify fanatical fans who want their results early.

[The-Stallion70]

Cole is so good on D that opposing team are hunting him on every switches lol but if stats says he is better than AB let ignore the eye test

Lol So what youre saying that offenses don't hunt Sexton? How many Jazz games have you watched?

When did I mention sexton s name?

This is the trade thread. So youre not here to talk about a trade, are you just here to dump on Cole then?

[rcklsscognition]

I think a lot of this comes down to whether or not you think we are years away and there’s nothing we can do about it until that time passes. I think there is a trade out there that can make us good enough to contend now. I don’t think we are too young. Given the right person, all goes right, I think there is a way we make the finals this year or next.

What is the price of that? Giving up a player or two who might develop in 3 years into a player you trade for now. If that happens, that young player would be set up for a major payday and would probably need to be traded at that time anyway.

I’m just saying, say you get just as an example, it doesn’t really matter who, and he comes in and can shoot and our defense holds, I think we could contend in this and next season. I don’t think it’s predetermined we can’t compete simply because we’re too young.

[orlando_joe]

We will probably need to attach Suns pick and Magic pick just to move Carter. They gave him 3 years $59M exstension that starts next year, last year is team option, but still, in best case scenario he takes near $20M a year until the end of 2027-28.

For argument sake, he makes as much as Vuc, who is having 20-10-3, 64% TS season

no it does not he will only make under 11 mill next yr..wont kick in till 26/27 season and only 2 season guaranteed

[pepe1991]

We will probably need to attach Suns pick and Magic pick just to move Carter. They gave him 3 years $59M exstension that starts next year, last year is team option, but still, in best case scenario he takes near $20M a year until the end of 2027-28.

For argument sake, he makes as much as Vuc, who is having 20-10-3, 64% TS season

no it does not he will only make under 11 mill next yr..wont kick in till 26/27 season and only 2 season guaranteed

2024-25 - $19,5M - guaranteed
2025-26 - $10,85 M - guaranteed
2026-27 $18,1M - guaranteed
2027-28 $19,5M - guaranteed

2028-29 - $21M - team option

good luck selling him on such contract without attaching some value if you know guy at average misses 40-50% of games every year, always has some health issues, is near 300 pounds and needs ages to get in shape and is playing worst season of his life, on lowest block rate of his life, second lowest win share ( worst was as a rookie).

Without getting pick, what's the appeal to buy such players? Only role player with such a long contract that i can think of is Patrick Wiliams, who also is having disaster of a season. Would you buy him?

[D J C]

Its not really about if we're ready to contend for a title right now, its about timing with salary cap/extensions and having a little flexibility the next couple years before Paolo's max kicks in. Because once we have Paolo + Franz on max salaries + Suggs salary, its going to be hard to make any significant move with the aprons.

So this season and next are going to be when we can really add vet pieces to the core, because after that we're not adding on any salary. Just like Boston made their big moves to get them over the hump before Jaylen + Jayson start to make $50+m/year