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Re: Wolves/Jazz/Magic 

Post#21 » by schaffy » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:27 am

winforlose wrote:
schaffy wrote:No idea what Orlando is doing in this, its just weird.

No way Utah does that. Even if I dont think those draft picks will be great ones they just aren't in a position from a rebuilding perspective to sending out draft picks/adding more protections and a rookie deal contributor for well paid players who aren't really going to move the needle in the near term. McDaniels is a role player, a well paid one at that. He fits a role that can really help winning teams. But on a team still in the talent collection phase of building, he wouldn't have the same impact. Thats just a waste of assets for them that might get them 1 or 2 wins a year? Why?


Orlando is in it for 2 reasons.

1. Money. Utah couldn’t afford it and I didn’t like any of the options involved in a 1-1.

2. I remembered hearing about Orlando wanting better guard scoring. Sexton is a shorter deal, and seemed like a fit. I don’t have a good feel for how much the Magic value Anthony so I didn’t know how to set the price difference. I do think Orlando probably has to send some value to Utah, but again I am not sure how much.

To your second point.

McDaniels was coveted by Utah during the Gobert deal. He is a player with a lot of untapped potential. Utah could make him a 2nd or 3rd option and expose that potential to the league. He quickly improves on offense and his defense and size is already known. At 24 he isn’t even in his prime. If you believe Utah exits the tank in 2 years you keep him. If you believe they don’t you treat him like a fixer upper. He already has value to winning teams, and Utah can move him to one of them for different assets whenever they want.

Finally, Kessler isn’t going to be on a rookie scale much longer. He was drafted in 22, which makes this year 3 of 4. Cs are a hot commodity right now and he might make more than Utah likes in RFA especially as a starter. Moving him now makes sense unless Utah sees him as a core piece, and again the rebuild timing matters in that discussion.


Maybe I'm missing something but it seems that Sexton and Kessler for McDaniels works money wise, no? If that works why not just leave Sexton in MN as he's the better player? I know Anthony is cheaper but I think his deal is also a year longer, and he's a worse player.

They wanted him 2.5 years ago, time can change things though. Maybe they still do but its also possible they see his offense hasn't really improved in that time period (I believe this is where you let me know that its all the coaches fault that McDaniels hasn't improved in his role at all, which is what pros are asked to do). I also think we need to acknowledge that often times players dont ever reach their full potential and we can't keep pointing out how good he "could" be when we can see how good he is right now. He could still improve, sure. He could also not. And quite frankly, he doesn't have the skill set currently to be a 2nd or 3rd option in the NBA. For his position he isn't a very good ball handler, he's a bad decision maker with the ball in his hands, and he remains a guy who isn't much of a catch and shoot threat. Thats not exactly a great recipe for top end offensive option on a team.
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Re: Wolves/Jazz/Magic 

Post#22 » by shrink » Thu Jan 16, 2025 8:48 am

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MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Orlando just offers Cole Denver 25 1st for Sexton. Would imagine that gets rejected and id then counter with Cole + Jett + Denver 1st for Sexton.


Jazz already have three FRPs in 2025. Make it a 2026 FRP and I'm in.

I’m sure there are plenty of teams willing to trade you a 2026 FRP to get into the 2025 Draft.
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Re: Wolves/Jazz/Magic 

Post#23 » by bkohler » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:36 pm

I might be way off value wise but I have mcdaniels in the worth a protected first range of value. Basically the same place I have Sexton.
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Re: Wolves/Jazz/Magic 

Post#24 » by Godaddycurse » Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:04 pm

shrink wrote:
SkyHook wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Orlando just offers Cole Denver 25 1st for Sexton. Would imagine that gets rejected and id then counter with Cole + Jett + Denver 1st for Sexton.


Jazz already have three FRPs in 2025. Make it a 2026 FRP and I'm in.

I’m sure there are plenty of teams willing to trade you a 2026 FRP to get into the 2025 Draft.


they wont have nearly as much leverage then. probably end up with multiple seconds for late 1st offer like OKC did to draft dillon jones

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