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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#41 » by daoneandonly » Thu Jan 16, 2025 12:37 pm

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daoneandonly wrote:And over in NY, this guy named Jalen Brunson who puts in the work to be in shape and conditioned, play crazy minutes in a game while having a very heavy workload as the primary facilitator, and barely misses any time

His friend over here, is probably smoking hookah, drinking beer, and eating Štrukljis and is constantly out


Yes, Luka is the reason for Mavs losing games, he should have trained his calf muscles better. :lol: Trolls in this board never disappoint.


Oh wow, is the calf injury his only ailment? The guy is always injured and out of shape. You always defend him, never once criticize him because again you care about the name on the back of the jersey, all the rest of us care about the front.

People whine about Luka's workload and blame that for his injuries, but Brunson has proven that to be a farse. You can have a crazy load and still be available to play at an elite level
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#42 » by Bob8 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 12:43 pm

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Bob8 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:And over in NY, this guy named Jalen Brunson who puts in the work to be in shape and conditioned, play crazy minutes in a game while having a very heavy workload as the primary facilitator, and barely misses any time

His friend over here, is probably smoking hookah, drinking beer, and eating Štrukljis and is constantly out


Yes, Luka is the reason for Mavs losing games, he should have trained his calf muscles better. :lol: Trolls in this board never disappoint.


Oh wow, is the calf injury his only ailment? The guy is always injured and out of shape. You always defend him, never once criticize him because again you care about the name on the back of the jersey, all the rest of us care about the front.

People whine about Luka's workload and blame that for his injuries, but Brunson has proven that to be a farse. You can have a crazy load and still be available to play at an elite level


You can't do much about calf or achilles injuries. This injury is because Looney kicked him in the heel in Warriors game, Luka should be out more games, but he returned prematurely and got calf muscle injury. It could easily been achilles injury and season over. This injury has nothing with weight or conditioning, it's just bad luck. Even the most prepared and light players like KD had those injuries. Some injuries might be prevented but not these ones. Knowing how it happened, Mavs can be considered lucky.

Not being able to win almost against anyone, playing one of the worst offensive games in the league at the moment and bad D has nothing whatsoever with Luka. It's about Kidd and available players. They should play at least much better D and play with a lot bigger energy. They are losing games against bad teams having their best players out, there's 0 excuses for that. You can't be totally dependent on 1 player for 82 games RS and then expect that same player will do everything in playoffs too.
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#43 » by Realtalk420 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:05 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:And over in NY, this guy named Jalen Brunson who puts in the work to be in shape and conditioned, play crazy minutes in a game while having a very heavy workload as the primary facilitator, and barely misses any time

His friend over here, is probably smoking hookah, drinking beer, and eating Štrukljis and is constantly out


Yes, Luka is the reason for Mavs losing games, he should have trained his calf muscles better. :lol: Trolls in this board never disappoint.


Oh wow, is the calf injury his only ailment? The guy is always injured and out of shape. You always defend him, never once criticize him because again you care about the name on the back of the jersey, all the rest of us care about the front.

People whine about Luka's workload and blame that for his injuries, but Brunson has proven that to be a farse. You can have a crazy load and still be available to play at an elite level

Always injured? He played at least 65+ games every season except 19-20 where he played 61. By your logic Kyrie must be eating a ton of Štruklji and is a heavy beer drinker.
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#44 » by Realtalk420 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:29 pm

daoneandonly wrote:And over in NY, this guy named Jalen Brunson who puts in the work to be in shape and conditioned, play crazy minutes in a game while having a very heavy workload as the primary facilitator, and barely misses any time

His friend over here, is probably smoking hookah, drinking beer, and eating Štrukljis and is constantly out

The fact that you googled and included a Slovenian dish just to get a reaction from some Slovenian posters deemed as Luka fans is another level of pettiness :lol:
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#45 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:31 pm

Bob8 wrote:It's difficult to win games, if you play iso without your best 2 iso players and defend worse without your supposedly 2 worst defenders.


This is what kill Kidd career.
When a team has injuries you have to find solutions and alternatives, Kidd just play in the same way thinking that SD can be like Luka and Kyrie can be like Irving. 0 game plan changes.
He is not his job. He can't be an high level coach.
I'm sorry.

He will be out of the NBA soon, it's not his job and can even flex a ring like Doc Rivers.
So he is basically a dead man. No way out.
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#46 » by daoneandonly » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:34 pm

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daoneandonly wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Yes, Luka is the reason for Mavs losing games, he should have trained his calf muscles better. :lol: Trolls in this board never disappoint.


Oh wow, is the calf injury his only ailment? The guy is always injured and out of shape. You always defend him, never once criticize him because again you care about the name on the back of the jersey, all the rest of us care about the front.

People whine about Luka's workload and blame that for his injuries, but Brunson has proven that to be a farse. You can have a crazy load and still be available to play at an elite level

Always injured? He played at least 65+ games every season except 19-20 where he played 61. By your logic Kyrie must be eating a ton of Štruklji and is a heavy beer drinker.


When did I ever commend Kyrie for his availability? He's missed plenty of games and was injured throughout the playoffs. At least Bob has another Luka only fan here, can you guys let the Mavericks fans discuss their favorite team in peace?
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#47 » by daoneandonly » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:36 pm

Realtalk420 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:And over in NY, this guy named Jalen Brunson who puts in the work to be in shape and conditioned, play crazy minutes in a game while having a very heavy workload as the primary facilitator, and barely misses any time

His friend over here, is probably smoking hookah, drinking beer, and eating Štrukljis and is constantly out

The fact that you googled and included a Slovenian dish just to get a reaction from some Slovenian posters deemed as Luka fans is another level of pettiness :lol:


Didn't mean to be petty; thought he'd like food from his native land. You'll see me eating Indian food often. Difference is, my job doesnt require me to be in a certain level of shape, let alone make millions doing it
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#48 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:38 pm

Bob8 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:And over in NY, this guy named Jalen Brunson who puts in the work to be in shape and conditioned, play crazy minutes in a game while having a very heavy workload as the primary facilitator, and barely misses any time

His friend over here, is probably smoking hookah, drinking beer, and eating Štrukljis and is constantly out


Yes, Luka is the reason for Mavs losing games, he should have trained his calf muscles better. :lol: Trolls in this board never disappoint.


I can't understand how it's possible call out Luka or Kyrie after that stretch of games who clearly show why we had those PO runs and win games.

Luka is our best player , our best offensive coordinator and our best assistant coach.
He did 3 jobs in last 5 years, he deserves a little bit of rest honestly :lol:

Luka dropped 60-15-10 in the face of Brunson at the MSG, they are not in same tier. Come on. Be serious.
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#49 » by daoneandonly » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:42 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:And over in NY, this guy named Jalen Brunson who puts in the work to be in shape and conditioned, play crazy minutes in a game while having a very heavy workload as the primary facilitator, and barely misses any time

His friend over here, is probably smoking hookah, drinking beer, and eating Štrukljis and is constantly out


Yes, Luka is the reason for Mavs losing games, he should have trained his calf muscles better. :lol: Trolls in this board never disappoint.


I can't understand how it's possible call out Luka or Kyrie after that stretch of games who clearly show why we had those PO runs and win games.

Luka is our best player , our best offensive coordinator and our best assistant coach.
He did 3 jobs in last 5 years, he deserves a little bit of rest honestly :lol:

Luka dropped 60-15-10 in the face of Brunson at the MSG, they are not in same tier. Come on. Be serious.


The best player/leader always has to take ownership when thigns go wrong. Almost every year, he comes in out of shape. Does he step it up come playoff time? Absolutely, except he was crap in parts of last season because, yet again, he was injured. The problem is his attitude; it's his lack of discipline to get in shape, his constant fighting with the refs, and trash-talking to the opposing team when everyone else gets back on D.

Of course, the team would be nowhere without him, but they could be so much more if he had the maturity and work ethic of other superstars
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#50 » by Realtalk420 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:47 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Realtalk420 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Oh wow, is the calf injury his only ailment? The guy is always injured and out of shape. You always defend him, never once criticize him because again you care about the name on the back of the jersey, all the rest of us care about the front.

People whine about Luka's workload and blame that for his injuries, but Brunson has proven that to be a farse. You can have a crazy load and still be available to play at an elite level

Always injured? He played at least 65+ games every season except 19-20 where he played 61. By your logic Kyrie must be eating a ton of Štruklji and is a heavy beer drinker.


When did I ever commend Kyrie for his availability? He's missed plenty of games and was injured throughout the playoffs. At least Bob has another Luka only fan here, can you guys let the Mavericks fans discuss their favorite team in peace?

You didn’t mention Ky, I did. If Ky is deemed professional why has he missed so many games in his career?
And yet Luka played through all playoffs and got the team to the finals.
Ok you mentioned Brunson…well prior to this season your ironman Brunson played like 20 games more than Luka in 6 seasons, an average 3-4 games per season more.
But no, this is not me being reasonable and logical, this is me being a pro luka fan. :lol:
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#51 » by Realtalk420 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:51 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Yes, Luka is the reason for Mavs losing games, he should have trained his calf muscles better. :lol: Trolls in this board never disappoint.


I can't understand how it's possible call out Luka or Kyrie after that stretch of games who clearly show why we had those PO runs and win games.

Luka is our best player , our best offensive coordinator and our best assistant coach.
He did 3 jobs in last 5 years, he deserves a little bit of rest honestly :lol:

Luka dropped 60-15-10 in the face of Brunson at the MSG, they are not in same tier. Come on. Be serious.


Of course, the team would be nowhere without him, but they could be so much more if he had the maturity and work ethic of other superstars

Eh we finally agree on something.
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#52 » by daoneandonly » Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:55 pm

Realtalk420 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Realtalk420 wrote:Always injured? He played at least 65+ games every season except 19-20 where he played 61. By your logic Kyrie must be eating a ton of Štruklji and is a heavy beer drinker.


When did I ever commend Kyrie for his availability? He's missed plenty of games and was injured throughout the playoffs. At least Bob has another Luka only fan here, can you guys let the Mavericks fans discuss their favorite team in peace?

You didn’t mention Ky, I did. If Ky is deemed professional why has he missed so many games in his career?
And yet Luka played through all playoffs and got the team to the finals.
Ok you mentioned Brunson…well prior to this season your ironman Brunson played like 20 games more than Luka in 6 seasons, an average 3-4 games per season more.
But no, this is not me being reasonable and logical, this is me being a pro luka fan. :lol:


Ky gets plenty of flack for his availability, and well deserved. But he's not the team's MVP, thats Luka. And how many games has Brunson missed for NY? WHile playing for a coach that is known to run his stars into the ground minutes wise? Go ahead, throw your stats out, because he plays for minutes and games than Luka.

And you don't get to throw stones when just the other day you proposed Dallas dealing Gaff and a first for this crap

Dallas trades: D. Gafford, D. Powell, J. Hardy, 25 DAL 1st, 25 PHI 2nd
gets: C. Martin, Ayo, D. Sharpe

And ladies and gentlemen, this wasnt even the good Martin twin
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Post#53 » by joesha1698 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:50 pm

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daoneandonly wrote:
Realtalk420 wrote:Always injured? He played at least 65+ games every season except 19-20 where he played 61. By your logic Kyrie must be eating a ton of Štruklji and is a heavy beer drinker.


When did I ever commend Kyrie for his availability? He's missed plenty of games and was injured throughout the playoffs. At least Bob has another Luka only fan here, can you guys let the Mavericks fans discuss their favorite team in peace?

You didn’t mention Ky, I did. If Ky is deemed professional why has he missed so many games in his career?
And yet Luka played through all playoffs and got the team to the finals.
Ok you mentioned Brunson…well prior to this season your ironman Brunson played like 20 games more than Luka in 6 seasons, an average 3-4 games per season more.
But no, this is not me being reasonable and logical, this is me being a pro luka fan. :lol:


Ky has mostly missed games because he was injured. He did miss some games because of a Covid mandate that made no sense. Allowed teams from opposite cities and fans to enter an arena without a vaccination but wouldnt let him play. I think the issue people have with Luka is his injuries are caused by his conditioning and overplaying in the summer. He's essentially hurt every year doing the season because of this. Some would deem that unprofessional and I would agree.
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Post#54 » by joesha1698 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 2:53 pm

41Dirk41 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:And over in NY, this guy named Jalen Brunson who puts in the work to be in shape and conditioned, play crazy minutes in a game while having a very heavy workload as the primary facilitator, and barely misses any time

His friend over here, is probably smoking hookah, drinking beer, and eating Štrukljis and is constantly out


Yes, Luka is the reason for Mavs losing games, he should have trained his calf muscles better. :lol: Trolls in this board never disappoint.


I can't understand how it's possible call out Luka or Kyrie after that stretch of games who clearly show why we had those PO runs and win games.

Luka is our best player , our best offensive coordinator and our best assistant coach.
He did 3 jobs in last 5 years, he deserves a little bit of rest honestly :lol:

Luka dropped 60-15-10 in the face of Brunson at the MSG, they are not in same tier. Come on. Be serious.


You can't JUST use numbers to compare a 6-7 and 5'11 guy. Brunson is a heck of a player to do what he does at his size. It takes an incredible amount of will power. Brunson is also a leader in his own right. Pound for pound a lot of these smaller guys are actually better players (when you consider what it takes for them to compete with guys they give up 5-7 inches to) but I digress...
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Post#55 » by arkuo » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:10 pm

What are you guys fighting about. Luka is close to 2017 Russell Westbrook (when he won MVP). Luka is close to winning his very own award in the coming years so that will make them about equal. Stats too.
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#56 » by Dirk » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:10 pm

Bob8 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:And over in NY, this guy named Jalen Brunson who puts in the work to be in shape and conditioned, play crazy minutes in a game while having a very heavy workload as the primary facilitator, and barely misses any time

His friend over here, is probably smoking hookah, drinking beer, and eating Štrukljis and is constantly out


Yes, Luka is the reason for Mavs losing games, he should have trained his calf muscles better. :lol: Trolls in this board never disappoint.


Is it just a pure coincidence that Luka misses games every season?

Genuine question... but every season there is a pattern to Luka's season.

This doesn't mean the post quoted isn't a provocative since he's randomly bringing up a player from some other team.
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Post#57 » by 41Dirk41 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:22 pm

joesha1698 wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
Yes, Luka is the reason for Mavs losing games, he should have trained his calf muscles better. :lol: Trolls in this board never disappoint.


I can't understand how it's possible call out Luka or Kyrie after that stretch of games who clearly show why we had those PO runs and win games.

Luka is our best player , our best offensive coordinator and our best assistant coach.
He did 3 jobs in last 5 years, he deserves a little bit of rest honestly :lol:

Luka dropped 60-15-10 in the face of Brunson at the MSG, they are not in same tier. Come on. Be serious.


You can't JUST use numbers to compare a 6-7 and 5'11 guy. Brunson is a heck of a player to do what he does at his size. It takes an incredible amount of will power. Brunson is also a leader in his own right. Pound for pound a lot of these smaller guys are actually better players (when you consider what it takes for them to compete with guys they give up 5-7 inches to) but I digress...


Nobody cares how tall or how heavy are you during the game, better player win the games.

And Luka is clearly better than Brunson, that's the point.
Other things are just excuses but from the excuses master this is absolutely nothing new..
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#58 » by Bob8 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:22 pm

Dirk wrote:
Bob8 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:And over in NY, this guy named Jalen Brunson who puts in the work to be in shape and conditioned, play crazy minutes in a game while having a very heavy workload as the primary facilitator, and barely misses any time

His friend over here, is probably smoking hookah, drinking beer, and eating Štrukljis and is constantly out


Yes, Luka is the reason for Mavs losing games, he should have trained his calf muscles better. :lol: Trolls in this board never disappoint.


Is it just a pure coincidence that Luka misses games every season?

Genuine question... but every season there is a pattern to Luka's season.

This doesn't mean the post quoted isn't a provocative since he's randomly bringing up a player from some other team.


Is he really missing that many games? This will be the first year that he won't play 65+ games, except shortened covid season. (Yes, those 2 covid seasons were shortened.)He missed 2 playoff games. Doing all that with huge minutes and top 3 usage in Nba almost every year.

I would say that being 6'8, 230 Pg with huge usage and scoring load is a little bit different than 6'1, 190 Pg. Lively is missing more games than Luka, playing a lot less, do you think his conditioning is even worse? What about Kyrie? Does he look in bad shape? Or Exum? Or Kleber? Half of Mavs' team missed more games than Luka in previous years? All because bad conditioning?

And I will say it again, calf injuries have nothing to do with bad conditioning. Talking like that this calf injury is somehow his fault is more than absurd and shows just total lack of understanding how athlete's body works. He was hit by Looney, that's it. There's no conditioning to prevent that.
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Post#59 » by Realtalk420 » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:32 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
Realtalk420 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
When did I ever commend Kyrie for his availability? He's missed plenty of games and was injured throughout the playoffs. At least Bob has another Luka only fan here, can you guys let the Mavericks fans discuss their favorite team in peace?

You didn’t mention Ky, I did. If Ky is deemed professional why has he missed so many games in his career?
And yet Luka played through all playoffs and got the team to the finals.
Ok you mentioned Brunson…well prior to this season your ironman Brunson played like 20 games more than Luka in 6 seasons, an average 3-4 games per season more.
But no, this is not me being reasonable and logical, this is me being a pro luka fan. :lol:


Ky gets plenty of flack for his availability, and well deserved. But he's not the team's MVP, thats Luka. And how many games has Brunson missed for NY? WHile playing for a coach that is known to run his stars into the ground minutes wise? Go ahead, throw your stats out, because he plays for minutes and games than Luka.

And you don't get to throw stones when just the other day you proposed Dallas dealing Gaff and a first for this crap

Dallas trades: D. Gafford, D. Powell, J. Hardy, 25 DAL 1st, 25 PHI 2nd
gets: C. Martin, Ayo, D. Sharpe

And ladies and gentlemen, this wasnt even the good Martin twin

Well I also wrote that Dallas only does this if they think Sharpe can be their backup C. While I agree the price I set is (too) high you must not forget the salary purposes of this trade. You trade away bad money with Powell and Hardy and Martin is simply a throw in as an expiring which would gain more flexibility for Dallas to resign Grimes and then Sharpe. The thinking is also it would be easier to flip Maxi in the summer as an expiring.
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Re: RS 24/25 - Mavs @ Pelicans (8PM EST) 

Post#60 » by Archx » Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:41 pm

To anyone who follows Doncic from early on, they'll know he'll miss games during regular season. Even with Real Madrid he had some stupid leg injuries that made him miss time. This is not a surprise and he was in a better shape then than now probably. It is what it is.

Btw, Brunson is 6.2 not 5.11 like someone claimed, that's a huge difference. And he also missed time due to injury in the past. When Mavs needed him the most in playoffs for example. That was the worst.

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