Buck Butler

NYG · Post #1 » by **NYG** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:29 pm

Heat get:
Khris Middleton
Bobby Portis
AJ Johnson
2031 Unprotected Bucks 1st

Bucks get:
Jimmy Butler

Wizards get:
Pat Connaughton
Lower of 2030 Blazers/Bucks 2nd
2031 Bucks 2nd

Heat add a first and resolve the Butler situation without taking on any salary beyond 2026

Bucks add a great piece to create a trio of Giannis/Lillard/Butler to carry them down the stretch and in the playoffs

Wizards take on some money using a TPE to get two future second rounders without going above the tax or taking on long-term salary

Post #2 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:32 pm

I think Pat takes more than that to dump. The Heat getting that package should be happy to help pay it too. Two good players whose contracts fit their desires and an unprotected 1st? They can kick in some value.

jowglenn · Post #3 » by **jowglenn** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:32 pm

I expect a deal almost exactly like this to go down soon

mlloyd10 · Post #4 » by **mlloyd10** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:37 pm

Why do they Bucks need to give two productive players ( one who avg 24/8/5 the last two playoff runs) and a unprotected 1st?

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #5 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:57 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:Why do they Bucks need to give two productive players ( one who avg 24/8/5 the last two playoff runs) and a unprotected 1st?

And dumping money. Compare Mids 11 game sample size to Butler last two playoff runs.

Post #6 » by **Texas Chuck** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 4:59 pm

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:Why do they Bucks need to give two productive players ( one who avg 24/8/5 the last two playoff runs) and a unprotected 1st?

And dumping money. Compare Mids 11 game sample size to Butler last two playoff runs.

And if Middleton was still that guy, they wouldn't be considering this. But nobody, including the Bucks FO thinks Middleton is still that guy.

Upgrades generally cost something.

Post #7 » by **nate33** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:01 pm

This doesn't seem unreasonable from Washington's perspective. I'd probably try and haggle for the best of Blazers/Bucks 2030 pick instead of the worst.

Post #8 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:09 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I think Pat takes more than that to dump. The Heat getting that package should be happy to help pay it too. Two good players whose contracts fit their desires and an unprotected 1st? They can kick in some value.

We'll pitch in AJ Green

But Op is completely fine.

I don't think most people understand here - even if Miami fans are getting the exact trade we're asking for, we're still holding our noses to the deal. Jimmy has been our franchise player for years. We've watched the likes of Rudy Gobert and Mikal Bridges go for boatloads of value that they're not worth, and we're being asked to smile and take a team's leftovers and be grateful for it. We're not going to be grateful for it. This trade is fine but it's still an insult (no offense to the op who did a great job)

jayjaysee · Post #9 » by **jayjaysee** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:16 pm

Think Washington gets AJ Johnson, not Miami..

But it really is that simple yeah.

I think Milwaukee gets to put top 4 protection on the 2031 first if they draw it out long enough..

Post #10 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:23 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Think Washington gets AJ Johnson, not Miami..

But it really is that simple yeah.

I think Milwaukee gets to put top 4 protection on the 2031 first if they draw it out long enough..

I don't. Not that far away.

Post #11 » by **gswhoops** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:26 pm

jowglenn wrote:I expect a deal almost exactly like this to go down soon

Same. IMO the general structure of this deal (Midds + Portis + 2031 Bucks 1st to MIA, Butler to MIL, Connaughton + 2nds + cash to some team with cap space/MLE left) makes too much sense not to happen.

Lucky Once · Post #12 » by **Lucky Once** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:41 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Think Washington gets AJ Johnson, not Miami..

But it really is that simple yeah.

I think Milwaukee gets to put top 4 protection on the 2031 first if they draw it out long enough..

I would prefer this but I'm not totally opposed to the original proposal.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #13 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:58 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Think Washington gets AJ Johnson, not Miami..

But it really is that simple yeah.

I think Milwaukee gets to put top 4 protection on the 2031 first if they draw it out long enough..

Not sure you risk trading Butler for some seconds?

JRoy · Post #14 » by **JRoy** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:06 pm

Rough for WAS.

balsamic_ducks · Post #15 » by **balsamic_ducks** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:07 pm

This looks good. Miami might need to kick in another 2nd to help dump PatC but otherwise this is fair for all teams

jayjaysee · Post #16 » by **jayjaysee** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:19 pm

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Think Washington gets AJ Johnson, not Miami..

But it really is that simple yeah.

I think Milwaukee gets to put top 4 protection on the 2031 first if they draw it out long enough..

Not sure you risk trading Butler for some seconds?

I think by 2031 there will be no hindsight talk with a trade with such limited suitors. Off topic a bit, but who remembers what Tyrus Thomas was traded for? How many know why Chicago owns that Portland first?.. But good for Miami if Milwaukee gives in. I just think it’s avoidable.

Would Brooklyn trade the NYK 2025 first for Milwaukee’s 2031 top 4 protected? And then Miami gets a first and Milwaukee gets the protection.

mlloyd10 · Post #17 » by **mlloyd10** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:20 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:Why do they Bucks need to give two productive players ( one who avg 24/8/5 the last two playoff runs) and a unprotected 1st?

And dumping money. Compare Mids 11 game sample size to Butler last two playoff runs.

And if Middleton was still that guy, they wouldn't be considering this. But nobody, including the Bucks FO thinks Middleton is still that guy.

Upgrades generally cost something.

Sure, if middleton was a bumb...This is very simple, its Middleton's health and quickness since the two ankle injuries.

Stealing this from my board

Teams that have won a championship with Butler being a key piece - 0

Teams where Butler has caused drama and headaches - 4

Is Jimmy ( the player) an upgrade over MIddleton, Yes

Alot comes with Jimmy and i dont think he will like being the 3rd option

Post #18 » by **BBallFreak** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:32 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
kobe_vs_jordan wrote:And dumping money. Compare Mids 11 game sample size to Butler last two playoff runs.

And if Middleton was still that guy, they wouldn't be considering this. But nobody, including the Bucks FO thinks Middleton is still that guy.

Upgrades generally cost something.

Sure, if middleton was a bumb...This is very simple, its Middleton's health and quickness since the two ankle injuries.

Stealing this from my board

Teams that have won a championship with Butler being a key piece - 0

Teams where Butler has caused drama and headaches - 4

Is Jimmy ( the player) an upgrade over MIddleton, Yes

Alot comes with Jimmy and i dont think he will like being the 3rd option

*Sigh

The drama is the only reason you're getting him, cheaply. A player of his caliber should be going for 3-5 first round picks. As to the championship argument, had Jimmy played alongside Giannis, do you really think he'd be ringless?

SA37 · Post #19 » by **SA37** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:33 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:I think Pat takes more than that to dump. The Heat getting that package should be happy to help pay it too. Two good players whose contracts fit their desires and an unprotected 1st? They can kick in some value.

We'll pitch in AJ Green

But Op is completely fine.

I don't think most people understand here - even if Miami fans are getting the exact trade we're asking for, we're still holding our noses to the deal. Jimmy has been our franchise player for years. We've watched the likes of Rudy Gobert and Mikal Bridges go for boatloads of value that they're not worth, and we're being asked to smile and take a team's leftovers and be grateful for it. We're not going to be grateful for it. This trade is fine but it's still an insult (no offense to the op who did a great job)

Not only that, but whoever trades for Butler is tacitly saying he's 1) worth trading for 2) worth the extension he's looking for and 3) going to push the team over the edge to win the title.

The list of teams that would be willing to acquire Butler and pay him ~$50 a season through 38 is short, but we're still talking about the Bucks, the Nuggets, the Suns, and maybe the Rockets.

And the reality is the Bucks will likely have to go through 1 or 2 teams with talented wings/forwards (NY, Boston, Orlando), and at this point Butler is in a much better position to make the Bucks better than Middleton.

The Bucks potentially get a guy who, at his best, is an all-NBA player for a 33yr old guy who is coming off of two injury-plagued, really subpar seasons and surgery on BOTH ankles + Portis and a #1 and people think the Heat are getting too much? Really?

BlazersBroncos · Post #20 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:35 pm

I think this makes the most sense -

Pat Connaughton + AJ Johnson + lower 2030 PDX / MIL SRP into WAS Gafford TPE

Then -

Jimmy Butler + Kevin Love + Alec Burks for Kris Middleton + Bobby Portis + Marjon Beauchamp + 2031 FRP (Top-4) + 2031 MIL SRP

Think Love and Burks help MIL round the roster a bit and MIA likely goes young and doesnt have roles for them -

G - Damian Lillard / Alec Burks / AJ Green
G - Andre Jackson JR / Gary Trent JR / Delon Wright
F - Jimmy Butler / Taurean Prince / Andre Jackson JR
F - Giannis Antetokounmpo / Taurean Prince / Kevin Love
C - Brook Lopez / Giannis Antetokounmpo / Kevin Love