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I think Thibs is a maniac and should play the bench more but in the past, through all the "bad coaches" the Knicks have had, which so many on here blamed for a lot of the various reasons the Knicks sucked, in nearly every instance, like 99% of them, it turned out it was the players who sucked and it wasn't really the coaching.

Thibs is a dinosaur, his offensive isn't that creative, he doesn't adjust well to good opposing defensive coaches and he won't adjust his own defensive scheme to fit his players, but it can be also true the Knicks bench just isn't that good, and more importantly, the ceiling you see with the starters has a lot to do with the starters, because it's who they are.

Too many years posting on this forum and 99% of the time, it's the players.

My position is this- I'm just going to enjoy the season. Can't constantly annoy myself over the FO, Thibs and even the players. AT the end f the day- I think we'll get a ring with in 2-3 years and I'm good with that.
How was that game live Buzz?

[GettinitDone]

Are you really asking this question? Do you see the bench the cavs and OkC have currently compared to the knicks?

The OKC one is legit funny to me because they have a player in their rotation who's not only a rookie but was drafted after we took Dadiet

Also, do you see the bench OKC and Cleveland have? They're not that great, they're about what you should expect a bench to be, and if we can't even get a guy on Dean Wade's level, that's a real indictment of the FO.

Even Dadiet showed he could play in the little mins he got, knocking down 3s and cutting for easy baskets... but how does one perform through DNP-CDs, and in 5 friggin TOTAL mins in 30 games, you gonna look like ****, I don't care if you're prime MJ, Slovenian God Luka.

Thunder is 15th in starters' mpg
Cavs: bottom 5 in starters' mpg

Best 2 teams in the L show you have to run a marathon to actually win a marathon race

Knicks: no surprise we're 1st in starters' mpg

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/which-nba-team-plays-the-most-starter-minutes-per-game

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but, to your point about the front office failing to get dean wade's level bench players - that is where i'm at - either the front office is to blame for not having a decent bench(which i don't think we have) and not holding the coach accountable for playing them. they're allowing thibs to destroy the team.

I think the real problem is the bench is unbalanced

Like, even with Mitch healthy, we would have 2 bench guards (Deuce and Payne) and 2 bench bigs (Mitch and Precious), with no bench wings

Lacking any backup for Mikal/OG is the real problem, but that circles back to being an FO issue. Ryan Dunn isn't amazing, but he's a wing defender in their mold who was available. I know we didn't have KAT at the time so we didn't know for sure what the team was looking like, but the fact we took a wing and don't play him is a bad look when we need a backup wing

The way I imagine they're gonna try and fix it is by benching Hart and starting Mitch next to KAT, but that creates problems of its own, namely that our big advantage comes from KAT at the 5, and playing him next to a non-spacing big is gonna neutralize any defensive gains.

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Got to raise Sims trade value

Close game but we beat everyone's favorite coach Nick Nurse. He was the Daigneault of 2019 when he had a MVP and stacked roster. Sixers are still dangerous with PG and Maxey.

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[GettinitDone]

but, to your point about the front office failing to get dean wade's level bench players - that is where i'm at - either the front office is to blame for not having a decent bench(which i don't think we have) and not holding the coach accountable for playing them. they're allowing thibs to destroy the team.

I think the real problem is the bench is unbalanced

Like, even with Mitch healthy, we would have 2 bench guards (Deuce and Payne) and 2 bench bigs (Mitch and Precious), with no bench wings

Lacking any backup for Mikal/OG is the real problem, but that circles back to being an FO issue. Ryan Dunn isn't amazing, but he's a wing defender in their mold who was available. I know we didn't have KAT at the time so we didn't know for sure what the team was looking like, but the fact we took a wing and don't play him is a bad look when we need a backup wing

The way I imagine they're gonna try and fix it is by benching Hart and starting Mitch next to KAT, but that creates problems of its own, namely that our big advantage comes from KAT at the 5, and playing him next to a non-spacing big is gonna neutralize any defensive gains.

Have long advocated JOsh to the bench, and Precious to start.

Boosts our bench production, Josh gonna play starter mins anyway and will play with starters most of 2nd halves anyway

Gives Mikal the ball more, I think he passes a little bit better than Josh, when he passes and scores more, he defends better too.

Precious gives us size... and paint protection. He's not a total bust at shooting, he can shoot some, but spacing is not what we'd want him to do. He's there to help alleviate rebounding and shot blocking load from KAT.

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but, to your point about the front office failing to get dean wade's level bench players - that is where i'm at - either the front office is to blame for not having a decent bench(which i don't think we have) and not holding the coach accountable for playing them. they're allowing thibs to destroy the team.

I think the real problem is the bench is unbalanced

Like, even with Mitch healthy, we would have 2 bench guards (Deuce and Payne) and 2 bench bigs (Mitch and Precious), with no bench wings

Lacking any backup for Mikal/OG is the real problem, but that circles back to being an FO issue. Ryan Dunn isn't amazing, but he's a wing defender in their mold who was available. I know we didn't have KAT at the time so we didn't know for sure what the team was looking like, but the fact we took a wing and don't play him is a bad look when we need a backup wing

The way I imagine they're gonna try and fix it is by benching Hart and starting Mitch next to KAT, but that creates problems of its own, namely that our big advantage comes from KAT at the 5, and playing him next to a non-spacing big is gonna neutralize any defensive gains.

the other problem with the mitch solution is how long can we actually count on that. he can't be relied on to stay healthy.

I agree with you other point though. that we desperately need a vet wing off the bench. though, i do think they should be playing 3pac right now. even if he would struggle. in the vv limited time we've seen him he has shown to be decent on defense, weak on the glass and inconsistent from the field. most likely a negative impact player, but let him run to get experience and more importantly to spell og/mikal.

[thebuzzardman]

I think Thibs is a maniac and should play the bench more but in the past, through all the "bad coaches" the Knicks have had, which so many on here blamed for a lot of the various reasons the Knicks sucked, in nearly every instance, like 99% of them, it turned out it was the players who sucked and it wasn't really the coaching.

Thibs is a dinosaur, his offensive isn't that creative, he doesn't adjust well to good opposing defensive coaches and he won't adjust his own defensive scheme to fit his players, but it can be also true the Knicks bench just isn't that good, and more importantly, the ceiling you see with the starters has a lot to do with the starters, because it's who they are.

Too many years posting on this forum and 99% of the time, it's the players.

My position is this- I'm just going to enjoy the season. Can't constantly annoy myself over the FO, Thibs and even the players. AT the end f the day- I think we'll get a ring with in 2-3 years and I'm good with that.
How was that game live Buzz?

Good game, good atmosphere, since half the arena was rooting for the Knicks!

[thebuzzardman]

but, to your point about the front office failing to get dean wade's level bench players - that is where i'm at - either the front office is to blame for not having a decent bench(which i don't think we have) and not holding the coach accountable for playing them. they're allowing thibs to destroy the team.

I think the real problem is the bench is unbalanced

Like, even with Mitch healthy, we would have 2 bench guards (Deuce and Payne) and 2 bench bigs (Mitch and Precious), with no bench wings

Lacking any backup for Mikal/OG is the real problem, but that circles back to being an FO issue. Ryan Dunn isn't amazing, but he's a wing defender in their mold who was available. I know we didn't have KAT at the time so we didn't know for sure what the team was looking like, but the fact we took a wing and don't play him is a bad look when we need a backup wing

The way I imagine they're gonna try and fix it is by benching Hart and starting Mitch next to KAT, but that creates problems of its own, namely that our big advantage comes from KAT at the 5, and playing him next to a non-spacing big is gonna neutralize any defensive gains.

Mitch/Precious/Sims/Suckporti - make that FOUR bench bigs. That's imbalance.

And still agree, I'm basically the leader of this opinion, that drafting Dadiet was FO malpractice.

Knicks treated the 2024 draft like it was the 2025 draft, as if they had the luxury to develop THREE players among 15.

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Are you really asking this question? Do you see the bench the cavs and OkC have currently compared to the knicks?

The OKC one is legit funny to me because they have a player in their rotation who's not only a rookie but was drafted after we took Dadiet

Also, do you see the bench OKC and Cleveland have? They're not that great, they're about what you should expect a bench to be, and if we can't even get a guy on Dean Wade's level, that's a real indictment of the FO.

Even Dadiet showed he could play in the little mins he got, knocking down 3s and cutting for easy baskets... but how does one perform through DNP-CDs, and in 5 friggin TOTAL mins in 30 games, you gonna look like ****, I don't care if you're prime MJ, Slovenian God Luka.

Thunder is 15th in starters' mpg
Cavs: bottom 5 in starters' mpg

Best 2 teams in the L show you have to run a marathon to actually win a marathon race

Knicks: no surprise we're 1st in starters' mpg

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/which-nba-team-plays-the-most-starter-minutes-per-game

Yeah but what about the defense?
I suspect that a lot of these guys like Dadiet, and Kolek are not yet up the par on that end.

[whocares1]

but, to your point about the front office failing to get dean wade's level bench players - that is where i'm at - either the front office is to blame for not having a decent bench(which i don't think we have) and not holding the coach accountable for playing them. they're allowing thibs to destroy the team.

I think the real problem is the bench is unbalanced

Like, even with Mitch healthy, we would have 2 bench guards (Deuce and Payne) and 2 bench bigs (Mitch and Precious), with no bench wings

Lacking any backup for Mikal/OG is the real problem, but that circles back to being an FO issue. Ryan Dunn isn't amazing, but he's a wing defender in their mold who was available. I know we didn't have KAT at the time so we didn't know for sure what the team was looking like, but the fact we took a wing and don't play him is a bad look when we need a backup wing

The way I imagine they're gonna try and fix it is by benching Hart and starting Mitch next to KAT, but that creates problems of its own, namely that our big advantage comes from KAT at the 5, and playing him next to a non-spacing big is gonna neutralize any defensive gains.

How would it neutralize any defensive gains? Towns next to a non spacing big beat the former NBA champions in a playoff series. I don’t think Mitch starts to be for real, but his minutes with Towns will come based on the matchup.

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I think Thibs is a maniac and should play the bench more but in the past, through all the "bad coaches" the Knicks have had, which so many on here blamed for a lot of the various reasons the Knicks sucked, in nearly every instance, like 99% of them, it turned out it was the players who sucked and it wasn't really the coaching.

Thibs is a dinosaur, his offensive isn't that creative, he doesn't adjust well to good opposing defensive coaches and he won't adjust his own defensive scheme to fit his players, but it can be also true the Knicks bench just isn't that good, and more importantly, the ceiling you see with the starters has a lot to do with the starters, because it's who they are.

Too many years posting on this forum and 99% of the time, it's the players.

We trashed Jeff Hornacek everyday and this was his starting lineup post KP injury
Michael Beasley
Timmy
Kanter
Mudiay
Jarret Jack

In 10 years Knicks archeologists will be wondering how we had a top 5 record with a bench of Cam Payne, Landry Shamet, Precious, and Jericho Sims

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