Jimmy Butler Open To Trade To Bucks

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Re: Jimmy Butler Open To Trade To Bucks 

Post#21 » by puja21 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:53 pm

SkyBill40 wrote:
puja21 wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:
No, I don't think that would work. The "judging" aspect isn't going to matter for a team that is already above the second apron


Bobby Marks seemingly disagrees:
Read on Twitter

"You are allowed to aggregate contracts if the post transactional salary leaves you below the second apron"

This was in his updated "CBA 101" from January:
Read on Twitter


Okay... I wasn't aware of that; however, it doesn't really move the needle all that much as it would take one of the two of Lillard or Antetokoumpo to match salaries and we know they're not doing that. The salaries will need to be exact and they're not.


Yep -- per above I wasn't asking about likely scenarios.

Was just trying to nail down the details of 2nd apron changes to understand what is possible

As illustrated repeatedly in this thread, everyone has a different understanding of the 2nd apron and I think all of our replies were wrong about one or more parts
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Re: Jimmy Butler Open To Trade To Bucks 

Post#22 » by puja21 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:54 pm

the_process wrote:
puja21 wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:
Here's a pretty good summation of the rules governing the second apron:

The NBA's second apron is a set of restrictions that limit the ability of teams that spend too much money to make trades. The restrictions include:

No mid-level exception: Teams above the second apron can't use the mid-level exception in free agency
No trade exceptions: Teams can't use trade exceptions from previous years or those created by combining multiple players' salaries
No cash in trades: Teams can't send cash to other teams in trades
No sign-and-trades: Teams can't sign-and-trade their own players to acquire others
No first-round pick trades: Teams can't trade first-round picks that are seven years in the future
Draft pick penalties: If a team is above the second apron for three years in a five-year period, their first-round pick is moved to the end of the first round
Aggregated salary restrictions: Teams can't aggregate multiple players' salaries into trades
Outgoing salary restrictions: Teams can't combine outgoing salaries in trades

That said, when you try a trade on a simulator that takes into account those stipulations, doing Butler for Beal, you get this:

FAILED

Reason: Financial

Heat are unable to complete this trade. Since they are an over apron team, they are only able to take back 100% of the salary they are sending out, plus $0.

Heat can only take back $48.7M in salary based on the amount they are sending out.

Cut $1.4M from the Heat incoming trade value to make this trade successful for the Heat.


So when would the restriction of 110% of matching salary (down from 125%) be relevant?



Over the cap but under the 1st apron.


What i figured (Marks confirms too) -- thanks

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