2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 3: Son of daughter of MVP thread)

[Jurassic_Park]

SGA is playing without his 2nd or 3rd best teammate for most of the year in Chet, is the lone allstar on his team currently, just led a win against the best regular season team without a starting center, and people are still trying to ding him for having a supporting cast that's too strong. At this point I can't take anyone who brings that up seriously

What often happens in these seasons when one team's identity is built on defense, they typically just play harder on defense than most other teams.

The narrarive was that OKC is stacked. And one player isn't responsible for a 70 win pace. OKC has elite defensive personnel and a system and higher energy defenders playing with playoff defensive intensity when other teams simply aren't. Water will find its level. You guys can enjoy the flexing though.

Poor guy is so sad tatum and celtics suck and sga is killing it.

[Special_Puppy]

Describe a scenario where someone not named Jokic or SGA wins MVP

[MoneyTalks41890]

Describe a scenario where someone not named Jokic or SGA wins MVP

They both tragically die

[Ron Swanson]

Pretty crazy with the kind of season Jokic is having that SGA is the runaway MVP right now, but here we are.

[bstein14]

Describe a scenario where someone not named Jokic or SGA wins MVP

Giannis is not too far behind statistically (in a lot of categories such as 3rd in Box +/-, 3rd in VORP, 3rd in PER and other advanced metrics) ... Bucks would have to go like 38-5 the 2nd half of the season of the season with Giannis playing even better (35 PPG and locked in on defense) than he has to start the season and even then it would be a close race because the Bucks are so far behind.... obviously if Jokic or SGA got injured that could push one out of the race.

Right now its like

50% SGA
48% Jokic
1% Giannis (even 1% might be too much considering it would take a massive Bucks run to get them to 2nd in the East)
1% Field

[Special_Puppy]

Pretty crazy with the kind of season Jokic is having that SGA is the runaway MVP right now, but here we are.

"Runaway" is too strong a word. Jokic is ahead in some advanced stats. SGA is ahead in others. Both have amazing traditional stats

[Zadeh]

Yeah we need the playoffs to start asap.

Thunder are better than Denver because SGA is a better more valuable player? OKC fans need to be humbled

It’s Jokic fans who need to be humbled. Saying stuff like he’s already top 10 all time, better than peak LeBron etc.

lebron Peak with refeeres and league protection ?

Jokic is far better player than lebron, lebron is fragile walking ego. He can't anything close to do what Jokic did. Only thing he is better is selling his team and teammates.

After Stern is succesfully cash from Jordan protection, new generation players get more protection then more and more. And nba is turn to circus show, former mvp's half points is offensive foul, new generation gun lover pg all driplings are travellings or carrying, nearly all of step backs threes is travelling.

For what ? marketing lebron and similar shiny players. Who cares about the game ? Who needs game, tiktok followers is much more important today. For a few years later mvp award probably gives to who has more followers.

Only player I can watch is Jokic, pure basketball, Last night I try to watch OKC, for every contact sga try to sell as foul, disgusting.

[Special_Puppy]

Yeah we need the playoffs to start asap.

Thunder are better than Denver because SGA is a better more valuable player? OKC fans need to be humbled

It’s Jokic fans who need to be humbled. Saying stuff like he’s already top 10 all time, better than peak LeBron etc.

lebron Peak with refeeres and league protection ?

Jokic is far better player than lebron, lebron is fragile walking ego. He can't anything close to do what Jokic did. Only thing he is better is selling his team and teammates.

After Stern is succesfully cash from Jordan protection, new generation players get more protection then more and more. And nba is turn to circus show, former mvp's half points is offensive foul, new generation gun lover pg all driplings are travellings or carrying, nearly all of step backs threes is travelling.

For what ? marketing lebron and similar shiny players. Who cares about the game ? Who needs game, tiktok followers is much more important today. For a few years later mvp award probably gives to who has more followers.

Only player I can watch is Jokic, pure basketball, Last night I try to watch OKC, for every contact sga try to sell as foul, disgusting.

“Jokic is far better player than lebron“ this is absolutely disgusting lol. Peak Jokic is a tier down from peak LeBron

[RRR3]

Yeah we need the playoffs to start asap.

Thunder are better than Denver because SGA is a better more valuable player? OKC fans need to be humbled

It’s Jokic fans who need to be humbled. Saying stuff like he’s already top 10 all time, better than peak LeBron etc.

lebron Peak with refeeres and league protection ?

Jokic is far better player than lebron, lebron is fragile walking ego. He can't anything close to do what Jokic did. Only thing he is better is selling his team and teammates.

After Stern is succesfully cash from Jordan protection, new generation players get more protection then more and more. And nba is turn to circus show, former mvp's half points is offensive foul, new generation gun lover pg all driplings are travellings or carrying, nearly all of step backs threes is travelling.

For what ? marketing lebron and similar shiny players. Who cares about the game ? Who needs game, tiktok followers is much more important today. For a few years later mvp award probably gives to who has more followers.

Only player I can watch is Jokic, pure basketball, Last night I try to watch OKC, for every contact sga try to sell as foul, disgusting.

No one cares what bitter Kobe fans think about LeBron.

[OkcSinceSGA]

SGA fans aren't the one saying he's better than the likes of MJ, LBJ and Kareem

Literally last thread there was posts startng SGA is having a better or equal season as prime MJ. What are you talking about

It’s the best guard season besides MJ statistically. Deal with it

[Special_Puppy]

SGA fans aren't the one saying he's better than the likes of MJ, LBJ and Kareem

Literally last thread there was posts startng SGA is having a better or equal season as prime MJ. What are you talking about

It’s the best guard season besides MJ statistically. Deal with it

Is he having a better season than 2015-2017 Curry or 2018-2020 Harden?

[OkcSinceSGA]

Literally last thread there was posts startng SGA is having a better or equal season as prime MJ. What are you talking about

It’s the best guard season besides MJ statistically. Deal with it

Is he having a better season than 2015-2017 Curry or 2018-2020 Harden?

Yes. Offensively it’s slightly below them, but being a likely All NBA defense 2nd or 3rd teamer bridges the gap. Would Jordan be who he was without also taking into account his defense? Because peak Curry and Harden weren’t good defenders (though Curry at least became solid or above average for a couple years)

Curry and Harden were better playmakers which is for me what at least makes it a good debate. Although I’m not sure how much better OKC could be if SGA averaged 2-3 more assists and didn’t take the shots. Likely worse.

[CobraCommander]

It’s the best guard season besides MJ statistically. Deal with it

Is he having a better season than 2015-2017 Curry or 2018-2020 Harden?

Yes. Offensively it’s slightly below them, but being a likely All NBA defense 2nd or 3rd teamer bridges the gap. Would Jordan be who he was without also taking into account his defense? Because peak Curry and Harden weren’t good defenders (though Curry at least became solid or above average for a couple years)

Curry and Harden were better playmakers which is for me what at least makes it a good debate. Although I’m not sure how much better OKC could be if SGA averaged 2-3 more assists and didn’t take the shots. Likely worse.

I know you a OKC homer but

[BlzMwt]

Yeah we need the playoffs to start asap.

Thunder are better than Denver because SGA is a better more valuable player? OKC fans need to be humbled

It’s Jokic fans who need to be humbled. Saying stuff like he’s already top 10 all time, better than peak LeBron etc.

lebron Peak with refeeres and league protection ?

Jokic is far better player than lebron, lebron is fragile walking ego. He can't anything close to do what Jokic did. Only thing he is better is selling his team and teammates.

After Stern is succesfully cash from Jordan protection, new generation players get more protection then more and more. And nba is turn to circus show, former mvp's half points is offensive foul, new generation gun lover pg all driplings are travellings or carrying, nearly all of step backs threes is travelling.

For what ? marketing lebron and similar shiny players. Who cares about the game ? Who needs game, tiktok followers is much more important today. For a few years later mvp award probably gives to who has more followers.

Only player I can watch is Jokic, pure basketball, Last night I try to watch OKC, for every contact sga try to sell as foul, disgusting.

I couldn't imagine having so much negative energy towards someone like this... and especially when you consider how wrong/biased this person is.

[MoneyTalks41890]

I’ll take whatever incoming you have for me for posting this, I don’t care.

This is MVP aura.

“I get it however I take it”

Read on Twitter

[Bornstellar]

Describe a scenario where someone not named Jokic or SGA wins MVP

One of Giannis or Wemby goes on an insane winning streak while posting ridiculous numbers and get their team to 3rd place at least in their conference. This would be more impressive for Victor. Zero chance it happens but in this hypothetical, if SA somehow won 50+ games (they would need to go like 31-12 the rest of the way) and Victor keeps posting ridiculous statlines then I could see him winning simply because everyone in the media had SA as a bottom 3-4 team in the West this season

[Bornstellar]

I do think SGA has overtaken Jokic at this point, which is crazy to think about.

[AleksandarN]

SGA fans aren't the one saying he's better than the likes of MJ, LBJ and Kareem

Literally last thread there was posts startng SGA is having a better or equal season as prime MJ. What are you talking about

It’s the best guard season besides MJ statistically. Deal with it

Deal with what? I replied to his post that was false

[AleksandarN]

Describe a scenario where someone not named Jokic or SGA wins MVP

One of Giannis or Wemby goes on an insane winning streak while posting ridiculous numbers and get their team to 3rd place at least in their conference. This would be more impressive for Victor. Zero chance it happens but in this hypothetical, if SA somehow won 50+ games (they would need to go like 31-12 the rest of the way) and Victor keeps posting ridiculous statlines then I could see him winning simply because everyone in the media had SA as a bottom 3-4 team in the West this season

Or if Jokic and SGA fail to reach 65 games

[OkcSinceSGA]

Literally last thread there was posts startng SGA is having a better or equal season as prime MJ. What are you talking about

It’s the best guard season besides MJ statistically. Deal with it

Deal with what? I replied to his post that was false

And the data says otherwise.