soxperry wrote:BBallFreak wrote:soxperry wrote:
i can't imagine Jimmy is worth two first round picks more than Khris right now. that's really where this discussion should have started. what is the difference in value here?
Jimmy's stock is at an all time low. Khris's stock is not great either but he has had great playoff performances the past two seasons. His problems are being able to do a full regular season and his defense. I maintain that if you put him on a team like Orlando or Houston, he's a great fit.
With that in mind, here's something i just pieced together.
This is assuming the Heat see this as a first step in a significant retooling of their roster
Heat Perspective: While Harris and Beas are salary filler, they get KCP, Bobby and a 1st for Jimmy. KCP and Bobby can either be kept if the retool goes quickly or flipped if they want to grab more assets. The value is probably not what Heat fans are hoping for, but I'm not sure the market demands more than that. If it does, and there's a bid war, perhaps the Bucks add either 31 1st or a young player that fits into that 2M window.
Bucks Perspective: Pretty simple math for them. They get a guy who fits their roster much better than Khris or Bobby. This outgoing value may seem light to non Milwaukee fans for such a high ceiling return, and that may prove out, but people dont understand just how good Khris is offensively. He has evolved into an incredible passer and playmaker who makes great decisions very quickly. Paired with his shooting and tough shot making, he presents a lot of value for a team who can cover his defensive deficiencies.
Magic Perspective: This is the shakiest part, by far. No idea if they want to accelerate their timeline enough to spend on this. But the fit is great and the value seems fair. They are a franchise who has historically been comfortable chasing the playoffs and not worrying about championship contention. Maybe that's different now. But they do have high end players, they are just young and banged up. This changes their identity a little bit but you cannot ask for a better vet to insert into a young locker room than Khris.
Detroit Perspective: They take in some salary, the get a playable vet to help guide the youngsters, they get three 2nds. Maybe it requires a little more. Used to cost about a late 1st to take in 10M in non expiring salary. With the value add of 2nds due to apron rules and with the cap having gone up significantly, perhaps 10M is the new 5M.
We're not taking KCP. His contract runs too long for our plans. I don't see you getting Jimmy without giving up your 2031 pick and I don't see Orlando giving up KCP and a first for damaged goods in Middleton.
It just came out that Phoenix is considering using their 31 1st to get Butler which is a joke to me. I dont see a real path to a deal there considering how big and long that Beal contract is. Already wrote about that elsewhere though. I bring that up though because if Phoenix is a non starter for Miami, then who else is competing with Milwaukee over Jimmy? Like i noted, the market may demand that we add that 1st. If so, so be it. But i'm just not sure about that.
As far as Khris being damaged goods. None of us know for sure how healthy he is long term. Last two playoffs were great. Almost certainly, he's not lacing up for 70+ anymore. But look at the Magic without their best players. They dont need Khris in the regular season. They need him to make tough shots and orchestrate offense in the playoffs. But there's also a world where they would rather be patient and let the team grow, so you definitely could be right.
No, dude. Not how it works. People aren't going to look at Middleton and think, "Let's need up our chemistry for him." Those days are long gone. And just like you don't feel Middleton is a first worse than Jimmy, I'm quite certain Orlando will feel that KCP isn't a first worse than Middleton.
This is just a bad take. Middleton doesn't have the kind of value you think he does.
