2025 nfl draft thread

[Samurai]

You guys know damn well we aren't taking an OT in the 1st round, it will be DL

Probably right, but I can still dream! The names Solomon Thomas and Javon Kinlaw are still haunting me....

[WentzerWuver]

You guys know damn well we aren't taking an OT in the 1st round, it will be DL

Probably right, but I can still dream! The names Solomon Thomas and Javon Kinlaw are still haunting me....

It's also why Kyle would not likely drafted either DT and OT based off his last attempt at those positions for day 1 using the fool me once, shame on me idiom. Kiper Jr has also done better picking for us in his mocks than Kyle other than receivers which is why he has been sticking to that, even if he reaches.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2024/4/17/24133248/jamal-adams-solomon-thomas-jerry-jeudy-javon-kinlaw-brandon-aiyuk-49ers-nfl-draft

I seriously had Lattimore to 49ers in that draft as DB was the top need, not DL and knew Solomon was hyped too high as a prospect and was more like a low 1st at best, based on his impact at Stanford. Kyle and John loves the Soloman and took him regardless. Too bad they didn't love his teammate CMC during that same draft instead. I bet I would do better than Kyle in this draft too on day 1.

[CrimsonCrew]

You guys know damn well we aren't taking an OT in the 1st round, it will be DL

Probably right, but I can still dream! The names Solomon Thomas and Javon Kinlaw are still haunting me....

It's also why Kyle would not likely drafted either DT and OT based off his last attempt at those positions for day 1 using the fool me once, shame on me idiom. Kiper Jr has also done better picking for us in his mocks than Kyle other than receivers which is why he has been sticking to that, even if he reaches.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2024/4/17/24133248/jamal-adams-solomon-thomas-jerry-jeudy-javon-kinlaw-brandon-aiyuk-49ers-nfl-draft

I seriously had Lattimore to 49ers in that draft as DB was a top need at the time, not DL and knew Solomon was hyped too high as a prospect and was more like a low 1st at best. Kyle and John loves the Soloman and took him. Too bad they didn't love his teammate CMC during that draft instead. I bet I would do better than Kyle in this draft too on day 1.

OMG. Is Big J really Kyle Posey???

I don’t understand why [Lance]’s viewed as a bust since we have no idea what he can do on a football field in a game setting. The sample size isn’t there to evaluate him.

I mean, we've seen him show that he's completely incapable of diagnosing and reading a vanilla NFL preseason defense in years three and four of his professional career. Not sure what he could show that would offset that limitation.

[WentzerWuver]

OMG. Is Big J really Kyle Posey???

I don’t understand why [Lance]’s viewed as a bust since we have no idea what he can do on a football field in a game setting. The sample size isn’t there to evaluate him.

I mean, we've seen him show that he's completely incapable of diagnosing and reading a vanilla NFL preseason defense in years three and four of his professional career. Not sure what he could show that would offset that limitation.

I have a suspicion who Big J could be... Kyle Posey is not it.

https://youtube.com/shorts/OiYU5jHw8W8?si=sE3yx39nsVcLu3sw

[Big J]

Probably right, but I can still dream! The names Solomon Thomas and Javon Kinlaw are still haunting me....

It's also why Kyle would not likely drafted either DT and OT based off his last attempt at those positions for day 1 using the fool me once, shame on me idiom. Kiper Jr has also done better picking for us in his mocks than Kyle other than receivers which is why he has been sticking to that, even if he reaches.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2024/4/17/24133248/jamal-adams-solomon-thomas-jerry-jeudy-javon-kinlaw-brandon-aiyuk-49ers-nfl-draft

I seriously had Lattimore to 49ers in that draft as DB was a top need at the time, not DL and knew Solomon was hyped too high as a prospect and was more like a low 1st at best. Kyle and John loves the Soloman and took him. Too bad they didn't love his teammate CMC during that draft instead. I bet I would do better than Kyle in this draft too on day 1.

OMG. Is Big J really Kyle Posey???

I don’t understand why [Lance]’s viewed as a bust since we have no idea what he can do on a football field in a game setting. The sample size isn’t there to evaluate him.

I mean, we've seen him show that he's completely incapable of diagnosing and reading a vanilla NFL preseason defense in years three and four of his professional career. Not sure what he could show that would offset that limitation.

Preseason is a completely different animal than the regular season. Peyton Manning was notoriously terrible in the preseason.

[CrimsonCrew]

It's also why Kyle would not likely drafted either DT and OT based off his last attempt at those positions for day 1 using the fool me once, shame on me idiom. Kiper Jr has also done better picking for us in his mocks than Kyle other than receivers which is why he has been sticking to that, even if he reaches.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2024/4/17/24133248/jamal-adams-solomon-thomas-jerry-jeudy-javon-kinlaw-brandon-aiyuk-49ers-nfl-draft

I seriously had Lattimore to 49ers in that draft as DB was a top need at the time, not DL and knew Solomon was hyped too high as a prospect and was more like a low 1st at best. Kyle and John loves the Soloman and took him. Too bad they didn't love his teammate CMC during that draft instead. I bet I would do better than Kyle in this draft too on day 1.

OMG. Is Big J really Kyle Posey???

I don’t understand why [Lance]’s viewed as a bust since we have no idea what he can do on a football field in a game setting. The sample size isn’t there to evaluate him.

I mean, we've seen him show that he's completely incapable of diagnosing and reading a vanilla NFL preseason defense in years three and four of his professional career. Not sure what he could show that would offset that limitation.

Preseason is a completely different animal than the regular season. Peyton Manning was notoriously terrible in the preseason.

Yeah, it is a different animal. Teams tend to play very basic defensive schemes. And Lance was mystified by them.

You've brought up the Manning comparison before, and it's still laughable now. There were no stakes for Manning in the preseason. They were tune-ups most to get ready for his regular season dominance. Lance was playing for his NFL life, and just kept tanking.

He's not an NFL QB. A starter, anyway. Maybe he gets there at some point. Probably a good idea for him to put some good film out at some point of that's the goal.

[Big J]

OMG. Is Big J really Kyle Posey???

I don’t understand why [Lance]’s viewed as a bust since we have no idea what he can do on a football field in a game setting. The sample size isn’t there to evaluate him.

I mean, we've seen him show that he's completely incapable of diagnosing and reading a vanilla NFL preseason defense in years three and four of his professional career. Not sure what he could show that would offset that limitation.

Preseason is a completely different animal than the regular season. Peyton Manning was notoriously terrible in the preseason.

Yeah, it is a different animal. Teams tend to play very basic defensive schemes. And Lance was mystified by them.

You've brought up the Manning comparison before, and it's still laughable now. There were no stakes for Manning in the preseason. They were tune-ups most to get ready for his regular season dominance. Lance was playing for his NFL life, and just kept tanking.

He's not an NFL QB. A starter, anyway. Maybe he gets there at some point. Probably a good idea for him to put some good film out at some point of that's the goal.

Manning was given his entire rookie season to struggle and learn the NFL, and this was after 4 years of college ball. Alex Smith & Darnold needed full college careers and multiple years of regular seasons NFL games to hit their peaks. Lance has played 1 college season and 3 full regular season NFL games at this point.

[Pattersonca65]

OMG. Is Big J really Kyle Posey???

I don’t understand why [Lance]’s viewed as a bust since we have no idea what he can do on a football field in a game setting. The sample size isn’t there to evaluate him.

I mean, we've seen him show that he's completely incapable of diagnosing and reading a vanilla NFL preseason defense in years three and four of his professional career. Not sure what he could show that would offset that limitation.

Preseason is a completely different animal than the regular season. Peyton Manning was notoriously terrible in the preseason.

Yeah, it is a different animal. Teams tend to play very basic defensive schemes. And Lance was mystified by them.

You've brought up the Manning comparison before, and it's still laughable now. There were no stakes for Manning in the preseason. They were tune-ups most to get ready for his regular season dominance. Lance was playing for his NFL life, and just kept tanking.

He's not an NFL QB. A starter, anyway. Maybe he gets there at some point. Probably a good idea for him to put some good film out at some point of that's the goal.

Lance is a bust

[49er4life1979]

Just curious as to who you guys think actually ran the 2024 draft. It was a very good one, one of our best ones in years. I think Kyle probably signed off on Pearsall and Guerendo. But I highly doubt he drafted Renardo Green, Dominick Puni, and Malik Mustapha. Ironically we also have our best draft in a while when Peters leaves. Thoughts?

[Jikkle]

Just curious as to who you guys think actually ran the 2024 draft. It was a very good one, one of our best ones in years. I think Kyle probably signed off on Pearsall and Guerendo. But I highly doubt he drafted Renardo Green, Dominick Puni, and Malik Mustapha. Ironically we also have our best draft in a while when Peters leaves. Thoughts?

9ers don't take any offensive player that isn't 100% Kyle approved and I'd say Lynch probably has more sway when it comes to defense I don't think any pick the team make isn't Kyle approved. That's why I thought the rumors of Kyle wanting Lynch gone were laughable because all those picks Kyle rubber stamped.

I'm guessing Lynch runs the draft on draft day but both he and Kyle long have agreed on what the draft board looks like so I'm sure the picks once they're pick is up they mainly take whose on top of the draft board.

I think 2024 was a success because they just kept it simple and didn't overthink it and reach for players that were luxuries.

[Jikkle]

You guys know damn well we aren't taking an OT in the 1st round, it will be DL

Depends on how the draft shakes out but I still believe OT will be very much on their radar. Mainly because quality OTs are gone quickly and the talent level drops hard once the top guys are gone.

So if you're sitting at #11 and you're hoping you're not sitting there in the future it's a prime spot to pick an OT up and groom him to slide into LT once Williams retired.

DLs can be found later in the draft and as I've said in the past a stud DL would be great but the team only really needs good DLs like the DJ Jones of the world to add depth and just to their job.

Though do think if there is a run on OTs they will go for the best defensive linemen on the board though because you figure a couple of QBs and WRs will go in the top 10 and if a couple of OTs go as well that's going to push some defensive talent down that will be hard to pass up on.

[WentzerWuver]

He's not an NFL QB. A starter, anyway. Maybe he gets there at some point. Probably a good idea for him to put some good film out at some point of that's the goal.

Lance is a bust

Agreed and will NEVER get there to be a starter in the NFL unless that team plans to tank for picks. I guess CrimsonCrew has fell for his cannon arm too like the 49ers FO did during the draft Lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/Mx3MWjL-dpI?si=DoiRLm5M6FuQzakJ

However, he could be a starter in the arena league.

https://youtube.com/shorts/JVd9A3hYZrU?si=EMPTQbNe5AEP-vIA

[clyde21]

if Mason Graham is there at 11 then it's a no brainer but other than that we need to hit the OL - really like Milum, Membou or Simmons there. we can even trade down a bit (for another 2nd) and still grab one of them.

i think we need to take Kyle completely out of the draft room or at least knock his ass down a few notches in the decision making process. if he doesn't want first round OLs he can **** shove it.

[WentzerWuver]

if Mason Graham is there at 11 then it's a no brainer but other than that we need to hit the OL - really like Milum, Membou or Simmons there. we can even trade down a bit (for another 2nd) and still grab one of them.

i think we need to take Kyle completely out of the draft room or at least knock his ass down a few notches in the decision making process. if he doesn't want first round OLs he can **** shove it.

First off, Graham is NOT going to be there and if he is, they found something on him like a Solomon. Even if he is along with Campbell, I take the OT all day long to fill their biggest need cause he is the real deal!

[clyde21]

if Mason Graham is there at 11 then it's a no brainer but other than that we need to hit the OL - really like Milum, Membou or Simmons there. we can even trade down a bit (for another 2nd) and still grab one of them.

i think we need to take Kyle completely out of the draft room or at least knock his ass down a few notches in the decision making process. if he doesn't want first round OLs he can **** shove it.

First off, Graham is NOT going to be there and if he is, they found something on him like a Solomon. Even if he is along with Campbell, I take the OT all day long to fill their biggest need cause he is the real deal!

my point is that the only scenario in which I wouldn't take an OL is because Graham's there. i agree that it's highly unlikely. please read because that's now the second time you pull this on one of my posts, i hope there wont be a third.

[clyde21]

Wouldn't mind taking like a 3rd or 4th round flyer on Will Howard or Riley Leonard

[Pattersonca65]

He's not an NFL QB. A starter, anyway. Maybe he gets there at some point. Probably a good idea for him to put some good film out at some point of that's the goal.

Lance is a bust

Agreed and will NEVER get there to be a starter in the NFL unless that team plans to tank for picks. I guess CrimsonCrew has fell for his cannon arm too like the 49ers FO did during the draft Lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/Mx3MWjL-dpI?si=DoiRLm5M6FuQzakJ

However, he could be a starter in the arena league.

https://youtube.com/shorts/JVd9A3hYZrU?si=EMPTQbNe5AEP-vIA

Crims was never really a Lance guy. Thought he was too inaccurate with too many mechanical issues. Crims preferred Fields to Lance

[CrimsonCrew]

In some good news, over the cap is projecting us two get a 4th round comp pick for Darnold. That would be a third, two fourths, and a late-round comp pick.

Based on contracts alone, Darnold was supposed to offset with Floyd, so we were looking at a third, fourth, and maybe two sevenths.

[WentzerWuver]

Lance is a bust

Agreed and will NEVER get there to be a starter in the NFL unless that team plans to tank for picks. I guess CrimsonCrew has fell for his cannon arm too like the 49ers FO did during the draft Lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/Mx3MWjL-dpI?si=DoiRLm5M6FuQzakJ

However, he could be a starter in the arena league.

https://youtube.com/shorts/JVd9A3hYZrU?si=EMPTQbNe5AEP-vIA

Crims was never really a Lance guy. Thought he was too inaccurate with too many mechanical issues. Crims preferred Fields to Lance

Everyone should know Kyle wants a QB who can process his complex plays quickly. That is the complete opposite of Fields. He takes way too long before passing due to him having a slow time processing his reads. Maybe thats why he either pass to his first read or runs with the ball. He doesn’t go thru his progressions otherwise he gets sack which is why he takes off like a scared rabbit. He never need to learn this in college, but the game is faster in the pros. Why you think Mike Tomlin continues to start Russ? Cause he doesn't have this limitation.

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/new-discovery-finally-explains-justin-fields-biggest-issue/

Mac was the ideal QB for Kyle in that draft class but if they were smart, do not trade up and save those picks to draft for OL depth, which is beyond their line of rational thinking by drafting kickers and rb instead. The 49ers FO is the worst in the draft room for a contender by far.

[CrimsonCrew]

Agreed and will NEVER get there to be a starter in the NFL unless that team plans to tank for picks. I guess CrimsonCrew has fell for his cannon arm too like the 49ers FO did during the draft Lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/Mx3MWjL-dpI?si=DoiRLm5M6FuQzakJ

However, he could be a starter in the arena league.

https://youtube.com/shorts/JVd9A3hYZrU?si=EMPTQbNe5AEP-vIA

Crims was never really a Lance guy. Thought he was too inaccurate with too many mechanical issues. Crims preferred Fields to Lance

Everyone should know Kyle wants a QB who can process his complex plays quickly. That is the complete opposite of Fields. He takes way too long before passing due to him having a slow time processing his reads. Maybe thats why he either pass to his first read or runs with the ball. He doesn’t go thru his progressions otherwise he gets sack which is why he takes off like a scared rabbit. He never need to learn this in college, but the game is faster in the pros. Why you think Mike Tomlin continues to start Russ? Cause he doesn't have this limitation.

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/new-discovery-finally-explains-justin-fields-biggest-issue/

Mac was the ideal QB for Kyle in that draft class but if they were smart, do not trade up and save those picks to draft for OL depth, which is beyond their line of rational thinking by drafting kickers and rb instead. The 49ers FO is the worst in the draft room for a contender by far.

My thoughts at the time, well-documented on this board, were that Fields was the most physically talented but Kyle wouldn't like him because he didn't play all that well in structure. But he was better than Lance in pretty much every physical category, and much more accurate. I preferred him over Lance, though I did have questions about his processing that his NFL career have borne out.

I liked Jones more than Lance as a prospect, but I didn't think you could justify trading up for the physical talent. I had Lance as a second-rounder, but preferred him at three to Jones because at that point you've got to take a shot on upside. If we had stayed at 11, I would have been okay (though not thrilled) with Jones.

I wasn't a big fan of Lance. I didn't think his running game would translate well, and he was wildly inaccurate. And I really didn't like the process at the time, and like it less now that we know more about it. There was no reason to trade up so far ahead of the draft, and to pay a premium to do so. They could have just waited and traded up day of. It's not like it would have cost them more than it did. Then they moved up without having actually scouted these guys. Just idiocy.

Overall this FO has obviously done a good job, but there's still so much room for improvement. The DC search is not comforting...