Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

[dTox]

Simple rule: don't make it weird, let's go!

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[Duffman100]

Simple rule: don't make it weird, let's go!

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[HiJiNX]

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Reposting from the previous thread so it doesn’t get lost.

[tsherkin]

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We asked for mid-range game. He's been delivering. He has some other wrinkles and ruffles going on with his game, but if he can maintain this sort of excellence from mid-range, and his customary performance in the bottom half of the key, then he's got an interesting foundation. Gotta get more FTs, gotta at least get back to 77% FT, would love to see a semi-competent 3 and more fouls drawn... but he's showing us something.

Watching him in the 4th versus Boston was really nice.

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Reposting from the previous thread so it doesn’t get lost.

We asked for mid-range game. He's been delivering. He has some other wrinkles and ruffles going on with his game, but if he can maintain this sort of excellence from mid-range, and his customary performance in the bottom half of the key, then he's got an interesting foundation. Gotta get more FTs, gotta at least get back to 77% FT, would love to see a semi-competent 3 and more fouls drawn... but he's showing us something.

Watching him in the 4th versus Boston was really nice.

His mid-range looks very promising. Maybe he can still improve it by creating consistent clean looks with any kind of match up. Against bigger defenders or smaller defenders, it doesn’t matter, Scottie’s physical attributes should give him advantage regardless. I would worry the fta later. When he is hitting those consistently with defenders covering, the defenders will have no other choices but foul him. However, he does need to get those FT% up to around the numbers you mentioned.

[tdotrep2]

scottie pnr's with jak is the way. let him develop this, he's getting a lot better

[tsherkin]

scottie pnr's with jak is the way. let him develop this, he's getting a lot better

That set has been looking excellent, yes.

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Reposting from the previous thread so it doesn’t get lost.

We asked for mid-range game. He's been delivering. He has some other wrinkles and ruffles going on with his game, but if he can maintain this sort of excellence from mid-range, and his customary performance in the bottom half of the key, then he's got an interesting foundation. Gotta get more FTs, gotta at least get back to 77% FT, would love to see a semi-competent 3 and more fouls drawn... but he's showing us something.

Watching him in the 4th versus Boston was really nice.

Wierdly enough I trust Barnes making a shot around the FT area then nearer to the basket, he feels more natural there.

I'd like his shot diet from 3-10ft .252 and 10-16 ft .169 to flip at this point.

I hope he extends his natural range out further. It's hard to take his shooting from 16-3P too seriously tbh. Hopefully by extending his range more it'll naturally bleed into the 3P area more.

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Reposting from the previous thread so it doesn’t get lost.

We asked for mid-range game. He's been delivering. He has some other wrinkles and ruffles going on with his game, but if he can maintain this sort of excellence from mid-range, and his customary performance in the bottom half of the key, then he's got an interesting foundation. Gotta get more FTs, gotta at least get back to 77% FT, would love to see a semi-competent 3 and more fouls drawn... but he's showing us something.

Watching him in the 4th versus Boston was really nice.

31% of Barnes’ shots are from 3.

SGA who scores 31 a game only takes 27% of his shots from 3 and that’s well above his career average. The key is his FTr.

I’m not sure if this was all to expand his game, but Barnes should have never been taking that many 3s to begin with. He can live in the midrange area like a lot of stars have done in the history of the NBA but that free throw rate needs to go up way higher. This should have been what they focused on with him.

That handle needs to get much tighter and he needs to start going down hill more with authority. Still needs to keep taking a few 3s a game to stay respectable like he has been recently

[tsherkin]

Wierdly enough I trust Barnes making a shot around the FT area then nearer to the basket, he feels more natural there.

I trust him well enough in close, he just needs to GET there more frequently. He's WELL above average from 0-3 feet.

What he needs is to get all the way to the rim more, aside from improved shooting.

31% of Barnes’ shots are from 3.

SGA who scores 31 a game only takes 27% of his shots from 3 and that’s well above his career average.

Yeah, he needs to dial it back at least a little from 3 until he stops sucking there, for sure. We want him to work on it so he can improve, but not spam it.

The key is his FTr.

Definitely needs improvement. His trade-off has been shots at the rim for more 3s, and that's a bad deal. Long twos, sure, but not the shots at the rim.

That handle needs to get much tighter and he needs to start going down hill more with authority. Still needs to keep taking a few 3s a game to stay respectable like he has been recently

Handle looked reasonable, nice low stance, good explosion against Boston. Didn't see a lot of issues there.

[manjusaka]

Wierdly enough I trust Barnes making a shot around the FT area then nearer to the basket, he feels more natural there.

I trust him well enough in close, he just needs to GET there more frequently. He's WELL above average from 0-3 feet.

What he needs is to get all the way to the rim more, aside from improved shooting.

The thing is we as a team emphasized on points in the paint and doesn’t shoot the 3 as much. Opponents have the scouting report and crowd the paint.

[tsherkin]

The thing is we as a team emphasized on points in the paint and doesn’t shoot the 3 as much. Opponents have the scouting report and crowd the paint.

He gets there well enough. The problem is that he ends up taking hooks from outside of the RA when he gets close instead of finding ways to get all the way to the rim. And honestly, he's pretty good in the short spaces, but he rotates away from defenders a lot and thus doesn't get a ton of fouls. He doesn't pressure the defenders when they're standing in the RA, either.

It's a skill set he needs to develop.

We ARE 29th in 3PA, which is horrid, and that's not helping Scottie, but he's not the only focal player who struggles with spacing.

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Thank you for reposting this, you cant quote from a locked thread but I wanted to ask, the cutoff of 2 mid range FGA/g, is that a useful sample size? I genuinely don't know what high volume in that area even looks like.

[tsherkin]

Thank you for reposting this, you cant quote from a locked thread but I wanted to ask, the cutoff of 2 mid range FGA/g, is that a useful sample size? I genuinely don't know what high volume in that area even looks like.

Were you so inclined, you could look up guys taking 15+ FGA/g and then look for a comparable percentage of shots from 10-16 feet and turn that into FGA and see. B-Ref has that data.

[Scase]

Thank you for reposting this, you cant quote from a locked thread but I wanted to ask, the cutoff of 2 mid range FGA/g, is that a useful sample size? I genuinely don't know what high volume in that area even looks like.

Were you so inclined, you could look up guys taking 15+ FGA/g and then look for a comparable percentage of shots from 10-16 feet and turn that into FGA and see. B-Ref has that data.

Im not aware of a way to do that on bball ref, wouldnt I have to grab the list of eligible players and look them up one by one for shot profiles?

[tsherkin]

Im not aware of a way to do that on bball ref, wouldnt I have to grab the list of eligible players and look them up one by one for shot profiles?

You could use stathead to get your list of guys with 15+ FGA/g, and then you'd have to cross reference that with their proportion of 10-16 FGA, which is found on their player profiles on b-ref. And then you can grab their total FGA so far this season, do the basic math with that and their GP, et voila. FGA/g from 10-16 feet. And you can sort that and see where Scottie ranks in terms of attempts. And efficiency, if you care to add that as well.

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Im not aware of a way to do that on bball ref, wouldnt I have to grab the list of eligible players and look them up one by one for shot profiles?

You could use stathead to get your list of guys with 15+ FGA/g, and then you'd have to cross reference that with their proportion of 10-16 FGA, which is found on their player profiles on b-ref. And then you can grab their total FGA so far this season, do the basic math with that and their GP, et voila. FGA/g from 10-16 feet. And you can sort that and see where Scottie ranks in terms of attempts. And efficiency, if you care to add that as well.

Aint nobody got time for that

[tsherkin]

Aint nobody got time for that

Lazy. There are only 37 guys with 30+ GP and 15+ FGA/g. You can do it!

[Scase]

Aint nobody got time for that

Lazy. There are only 37 guys with 30+ GP and 15+ FGA/g. You can do it!

Dinner aint gonna make itself!

[tsherkin]

Aint nobody got time for that

Lazy. There are only 37 guys with 30+ GP and 15+ FGA/g. You can do it!

Dinner aint gonna make itself!

That's what the microwave is for, hoss!